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Originally Posted by Two5boy
You surely can't expect bragging about your 7 purple set build and posting it and not have people criticise it?
I think most people have been overly kind on your build. The slotting and power picks need serious work to justify the influence spent but it's your build so you can do what you want I guess. |
I have a feeling it is the same thing with his crab build which he claims is oh so good with dozens of PvP sets in it and what not, but refuses to even tell us the stats on it.
Anyway, working on a dark/dark toon at the moment. Just wondering where to slot the ATO.
And permadom for me was a bit of a meh. I know it is meant to be the best, but I found by focusings on defence, I got 50-60% smashing and lethal resistance, 1 purple away from softcap, 50 seconds off perma dom, no hasten and the build is dead cheap.
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Originally Posted by Carnifax_NA
So why exactly did you post it onto the boards unsolicited if not for fresh eyes to have a look over it? If you post something in a public forum people will respond to it. If it's a build then they'll respond with advice and their own take on it, especially on the AT forums.
If you don't want that to happen then don't post your build. Simples. But don't get all shirty because people do what they've done on these subforums for years, ie respond with reasonable advice. |
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Originally Posted by Two5boy
You surely can't expect bragging about your 7 purple set build and posting it and not have people criticise it?
I think most people have been overly kind on your build. The slotting and power picks need serious work to justify the influence spent but it's your build so you can do what you want I guess. |
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Originally Posted by Tater Todd
I guess he showed it to us to let us know that he wasn't breaking the rule but still that build whew! Wow.
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Originally Posted by Trilby
I have a feeling it is the same thing with his crab build which he claims is oh so good with dozens of PvP sets in it and what not, but refuses to even tell us the stats on it.
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My Crab took well over a year to be done, worked it's way up in cost, after spending countless hours just studying my build on Mids, and thousands of hours playing it. The fact that one of the better players in the game, an 8 year Veteran, thought he could Duo Keyes with my Crab, the fact that i was part of a group of 4 who did Keyes and the fact that i can solo the ITF means that my Crab is way better, and yes, i do know that my Dom will not even come close to what Neph can do.
This Dom took just a few days to create and a few weeks to complete.
Hasn't even come close to the attention of how i made my Lead Tank.
Again, i like my build atm, but i know that in time i'll probably make some adjustments here and there. It will never be my main toon, but it will never be a 'normal' Dominator either.
Seems that some people need to let go of the fact that some people might not want to make a toon in their, or the mainstream's, vision of what that AT is. As i stated, it is my 1st attempt at a Dom, let me find out the style of play on a Dom before i start making a 'true' Dom.
As long as my team members and League leader doesn't complain about how i do my job, i think i'll be fine.
And again, i know that there would be people who'd criticize me, that's fine, i look at what they say and keep it in mind. I do however do not like it when people tell me i MUST do this and MUST do that, unless you pay for my subscription, u can make suggestions, but do not tell me to "suck it up and take hasten" because YOU think i need it.
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FYI, i have been declining to post or let people copy my build for over a year.|
Originally Posted by Trilby
I have a feeling it is the same thing with his crab build which he claims is oh so good with dozens of PvP sets in it and what not, but refuses to even tell us the stats on it.
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Don't feel bad that i declined your request, you were not the 1st, nor will be the last. And do not think that this little friendly stab will make me post my build to prove you wrong. :P
Ask anyone on my home server about my Crab, and most of them will say the same thing, and none of them will be negative.
PS: it's 5 purple sets and 4 PvP sets, not dozens of PvP sets :P
Dark Energon, Founder of the Freedom Legion SG on Guardian server.
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Man...I dropped Nightfall and I'm glad that I did. I love cones but Nightfall was painful.
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Your attempts to deflect the issue to a mysterious secret build do little to distract from the fact that you snapped at a person trying to improve one of the worst builds that has ever been posted on the forums.
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Originally Posted by Dark Energon
drivel
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Originally Posted by Machariel
Your attempts to deflect the issue to a mysterious secret build do little to distract from the fact that you snapped at a person trying to improve one of the worst builds that has ever been posted on the forums.
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I clearly stated that atm i was happy with the build, several times before he posted it. Also, the way he wrote up his post, telling me to "suck it up" and take a power i stated i did not need, nor wanted because it would not fit my theme, just didn't sit right with me.
Again...
I did not post this because i needed help, i posted it because several people wondered how 7 purple sets would not break the rule of 5.
I know in time i'll make some adjustments here and there, and yes, i'll glance over what people said to see if it might help me.
People are free to suggest changes, i can not and will not stop that. However it is the way you make suggestions that will either make you be respected or snapped at.
Also, i didn't bring up my Crab build till someone else did,FYI.
Always funny that people forget how crappy their own builds were when they tried a whole new AT for the 1st time, yet demand change, insult and/or make fun of others for the same g'damn thing.
Dark Energon, Founder of the Freedom Legion SG on Guardian server.
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Originally Posted by Dark Energon
Again..
I clearly stated that atm i was happy with the build, several times before he posted it. Also, the way he wrote up his post, telling me to "suck it up" and take a power i stated i did not need, nor wanted because it would not fit my theme, just didn't sit right with me. Again... I did not post this because i needed help, i posted it because several people wondered how 7 purple sets would not break the rule of 5. I know in time i'll make some adjustments here and there, and yes, i'll glance over what people said to see if it might help me. People are free to suggest changes, i can not and will not stop that. However it is the way you make suggestions that will either make you be respected or snapped at. Also, i didn't bring up my Crab build till someone else did,FYI. Always funny that people forget how crappy their own builds were when they tried a whole new AT for the 1st time, yet demand change, insult and/or make fun of others for the same g'damn thing. |
Dark Energon,
I'm going to take the step of apologizing for using the term "suck it up" when referring to Hasten. I wasn't trying to tell you you had to take it. I was saying that you are paying a very large price for lacking it. Whether you keep Flight or not is ultimately up to you, but I would be derelict in my duty if I hadn't told you a Dominator without Hasten is fighting an uphill battle. I personally don't like Hasten's graphics either, and have campaigned relentlessly to have them squelched. In the mean time "suck it up" is indeed what I have done with this power. I'm sorry if it seemed like I was just trying to force you into accepting the change.
I understand that you aren't familiar with Dominators and like I said in my first post, the fact that you tried to build something at all shows character.
But it also true that, being new to Dominators, you don't know how much you don't know. I posted a build to give you an idea of how you could improve yours. I didn't intend for you to literally throw your build away completely. I even told you that my build wasn't a template and you would need to change it based on your needs.
The fact is you have a number of relative experts at your disposal to help you understand what the issues with that build are, and please do not deceive yourself into believing they are not issues. I understand if you don't want to actually make the changes, but it is apparent to all of us who are posting you are hanging onto this build out of personal pride and not because you understand what you have built or what its significant shortcomings are.
If it seemed like I was being too harsh in my initial criticisms, I apologize, because that was accidental. I had just spent 45 minutes building a RPG character for a stranger on the internet, and I guess I figured that posting a revised build made it evident I wasn't just being nasty. So hopefully if nothing else you'll at least look at the build I posted and some of the others around, see what the issues are and consider either revising your build or at least posting a disclaimer prior to dropping it into a discussion about 7 purple sets.
there's a whole lot of silly in this thread.
I still haven't made one yet. I plan too i guess. It just seems like they took a few things from Dark Blast and Dark Miasma and smashed um together. meh, I'm definitly gonna make one.
perma jump is ---> /up 1
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Thank you, and my apology for my rudeness too.|
Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
Dark Energon,
I'm going to take the step of apologizing for using the term "suck it up" when referring to Hasten. I wasn't trying to tell you you had to take it. I was saying that you are paying a very large price for lacking it. Whether you keep Flight or not is ultimately up to you, but I would be derelict in my duty if I hadn't told you a Dominator without Hasten is fighting an uphill battle. I personally don't like Hasten's graphics either, and have campaigned relentlessly to have them squelched. In the mean time "suck it up" is indeed what I have done with this power. I'm sorry if it seemed like I was just trying to force you into accepting the change. I understand that you aren't familiar with Dominators and like I said in my first post, the fact that you tried to build something at all shows character. But it also true that, being new to Dominators, you don't know how much you don't know. I posted a build to give you an idea of how you could improve yours. I didn't intend for you to literally throw your build away completely. I even told you that my build wasn't a template and you would need to change it based on your needs. The fact is you have a number of relative experts at your disposal to help you understand what the issues with that build are, and please do not deceive yourself into believing they are not issues. I understand if you don't want to actually make the changes, but it is apparent to all of us who are posting you are hanging onto this build out of personal pride and not because you understand what you have built or what its significant shortcomings are. If it seemed like I was being too harsh in my initial criticisms, I apologize, because that was accidental. I had just spent 45 minutes building a RPG character for a stranger on the internet, and I guess I figured that posting a revised build made it evident I wasn't just being nasty. So hopefully if nothing else you'll at least look at the build I posted and some of the others around, see what the issues are and consider either revising your build or at least posting a disclaimer prior to dropping it into a discussion about 7 purple sets. |
I did look at your build the 1st time you posted it, and yeah, i did see a lot of things that were very different than mine. As i stated, i look and listen, and keep things in the back of my head when playing, seeing where i could/need to improve.
I'm not holding onto this build because of pride, it's more that i want to learn. Learning while playing a build and seeing it's shortcomings teaches me more than copying a build and never learn why i slot this with that for such. However, like i said, it does make me evaluate the situations i encounter on my Dom.
I understand that Hasten is very useful on not only a Dom, but any toon. One of the reasons i love Purple sets so much is that i can get a lot of rech bonus making me miss Hasten a little less. I was contemplating using Hasten, but like i said, from a concept view i could not do it, esp since this isn't going to be my main or 'go to' Toon, that role will be filled by my Crab Spider.
Yes, looking at the sets in there, it's very expensive, or at least, it's worth a lot. But saving up purples, buying recipes with Astral merits saved me so much. I saved up enough to slot at least 3 toons without dropping much inf on recipes and such.
I understand my Dom is far from being a true Dom, and i understand why almost everyone does a facepalm when they see my build, however, it does what I need it to do, and so far i am content.. doesn't mean i'll never change anything.
As long as i am happy with it, that is all that matters to me.
People used to wonder why my Crab didn't have any pets, even told me i was stupid for not taking them. Partially i agree, hence i'm working on a more solo build with all 6 pets being perma. But i also showed them that just because i'm not your regular Crab, doesn't mean i suck. And now most on my server know to not worry when i am on a team, because i can do anything that needs to be done.
Same as This Dom, i do what i need to do, i take not the role of a Dom, but more a semi blaster and semi controller, and so far, all is well.
I know i have a long road ahead of me making a 'True' Dom, but i have time, i'm not going anywhere :P
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I'm currently finishing incarnating my dark/psi/fire dom. I am contemplating switching epic to psi for better defenses but can't find a build I like with that epic yet. Toon is fun but is a real glass cannon in incarnate content, yet very fun.
I also don't play with sound so the beast isn't bothering me but I can totally see how it would be bothering to someone enjoying playing with sound on (issue further compounded by the fact he doesn't sound like a 'beast' but like a dog which has already been alluded to).
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Sick build bro I can't wait to try this out
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Sick build bro I can't wait to try this out
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However, if you do test this out, let me know what you think of it.. i hope you understand that it is not a 'true' Dom build tho.
Dark Energon, Founder of the Freedom Legion SG on Guardian server.
(SG founded on 12-08-'09, Top100: 08-17-'10, Top50: 12-23-'10, Top25: 12-11-'11)
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First off, I like Oedipus_Tex's build MUCH more than the original one and think that he politely pointed out many faults and tried to correct them.|
Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
but realize your perma dom status depends on never getting hit with a single -Recharge debuff. And lacking that one power is seriously hurting your build.
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That said, I should point out that if you have a kind of borderline-perma perma-dom, then frenzy is invaluable. If you suck
so much that you are always losing dom it is not going to help you, but if it is just a matter of every one in a while you mess up, frenzy is going instantly to get you back up to speed again.For this reason, I think that people should play doms as villains by default. I am biased
of course because I play all characters as villains by default, but in this one case I just might be right...
"Hi, my name is Ail. I make people sick."
A partial selection from my 50's on Freedom: Ail = Ice/Traps, Luck = Street Justice/Super Reflexes Stalker, Mist = Bane, Pixy = Trick Arrow/Archery, Pure = Gravity/Energy, Smoke = Fire/Fire Dominator
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Originally Posted by _Ail_
First off, I like Oedipus_Tex's build MUCH more than the original one and think that he politely pointed out many faults and tried to correct them.
That said, I should point out that if you have a kind of borderline-perma perma-dom, then frenzy is invaluable. If you suck so much that you are always losing dom it is not going to help you, but if it is just a matter of every one in a while you mess up, frenzy is going instantly to get you back up to speed again.For this reason, I think that people should play doms as villains by default. I am biased of course because I play all characters as villains by default, but in this one case I just might be right... |
Good point.
I would use Frenzy myself but I really dislike red side.
The main time I drop Domination is getting killed, mainly in incarnate trials. But Arachnos and some other enemies can make it happen with their Psi powers.
The way -Recharge works, the closer you get to the floor (-75%) the more each point increases your penalty. Here are the numbers from a chart I did a long time ago:
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I'll not play sets because of the sounds, no question. There are too many other powerset choices. I'm not going to play a set with sounds I find annoying and that make my play experience unpleasant. Sonic blast, kinetic melee (not a NASCAR fan), and now dark control make my top 3 worst and ones I'll never play.
And no I don't like to play with no sound or digging through pigg files or whatever to blank them out. Part of it being I know others still have to suffer through them even if I don't hear them. Why don't the devs give a no sound power option in the character creator if it is so easy btw? They give it on some of the powers for graphics options.
Anyway, I just find it interesting that everyone complains about the wolf, when it is the loud drone of the dark immobilizes that drove me away from the set. Not to mention I always think thematically that dark powers should be kind of like, I don't know, on the quiet side and not sound like a helicopter taking off? At least sonic blast being loud and annoying makes a certain kind of sense.
Yea, I never even got to the wolf.
Finished level shifting my dark/psi/ice dom last night. Finished the dark/dark/soul cont a little while ago. Both are very solid, very fun characters. The wolf pet tries so hard to ruin it for me with its $%$$ing incessant howling, but now I play with the sound off and all is good. ...
Think I'm about done with dark madness as a primary focus - but I'll definitely still be trialing the dark/psi a bit until one of my staff/ alts hits 50 (and maybe longer).
I'm glad we've got a quote on that build to preserve it for posterity. It is certainly worth preserving.
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