A Brief Guide to Enhancement Converters


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Originally Posted by Mephe View Post
Plasma, can you help me boil this down to some simple rules for turning dropped stuff into inf?

From your guide it seems that the optimal use of each currency assuming current prices are:
Rmerits - gamble on a C roll
H/Amerits - gamble on 5 C rolls
Emps - converters always
Astrals - highly dependant on market, but probably best to buy converters

Its never optimal to buy a purple or PVP via merits at current supply and demand. Not gambling seems to be a waste of money now that there is incentive to drain the cheap crap out of the market.
Any advice I'd give you right now might be inapplicable when things are correctly patched, because it's hard to predict what will happen. What I've seen in general is that prices on LotGs are rising, because merits (in particular, the super pack supply) is going into converters instead.

That said, let's look specifically at the Merits vs H/VAMs case. Your option for 200 merits is:

- 10 Random Rolls
- 1 LotG (or similar high priced recipe)
- Pay 80m to convert to H/VAMs to buy 20 Random Rolls or 2 LotGs

Let's say a LotG will sell crafted for 100M. Let's say you pay 10M in market fees + 6M in salvage, for a net 84M. This means your value is:

Buy with merits: 420k/merit
Convert to H/VAM, buy 2 with those: 440k/merit (84M * 2, minus 80M in conversion costs = 88M)

So you can determine that 100M is about the cutoff for a LotG-type recipe to be "worth it" to convert to H/VAMs first. That won't change no matter what happens.

Likewise, the value of random rolls can similarly be evaluated. I don't know about the value of a LotG vs 10 random rolls, since those are identical cost. But you can do the same math and realize that the value of 10 randoms must be 100M+ to justify converting to H/VAMs.

For Emps and A-merits we'll have to see post-patch. But right now, figure you can MAYBE net 310M on a purple post-crafting, figuring 350M - 35M for fees, -5M for salvage, and that's both a good price and cheap salvage, so perhaps optimistic. That's 7.75m per Emp.

For A-merits, you can do the same LotG math: 84M in net profits / 32 A-merits is 2.625m per Astral. Or, instead, you can get 1.666 converters for roughly the same price. (+250k per converter)

Right now, converters are clearly "worth more" than 1.8M, so at the moment, you'd definitely want them over Astral IOs.

But we just don't know what will happen to the market. Maybe people will convert so aggressively that LotGs/rolls will simply be better deals. Maybe LotG prices will rise because of converter demand, and make the relative value of buying IOs higher. That's why I'm only trying to show how to calculate relative value, because any rule of thumb could be invalidated by the market.


 

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OK, this is weird.

Installed a patch just now.

At the Crucible, respecs are for sale for AM's (were they earlier? I don't know) but converters are not.

In Ouroboros, Astral Christy and Empyrean Michael won't even talk to me. Not on a level 45, not on a level 50 with Alpha. (heroside both times.)

Anyone else confrim this?


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Originally Posted by Fulmens View Post
In Ouroboros, Astral Christy and Empyrean Michael won't even talk to me. Not on a level 45, not on a level 50 with Alpha. (heroside both times.)
I just talked to them without issue. I was on an Incarnate if that might matter, with all current slots unlocked and a Rare slotted.

I honestly don't remember if Respecs were for sale before, but it seems new to me.

Edit: But yes, no converters, still.


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Originally Posted by Fulmens View Post
OK, this is weird.

Installed a patch just now.

At the Crucible, respecs are for sale for AM's (were they earlier? I don't know) but converters are not.

In Ouroboros, Astral Christy and Empyrean Michael won't even talk to me. Not on a level 45, not on a level 50 with Alpha. (heroside both times.)

Anyone else confrim this?
The Ozone vendors are talking to me. What do you mean 'won't talk'? Do you get the blue hand?


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The Ozone vendors are talking to me. What do you mean 'won't talk'? Do you get the blue hand?
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This hurts my brain, but my thanks for putting it together. I'm sure I'll refer to this post when I get around to doing something with the converters. Right now, I wish I could just sell them because they seem to be too much effort to be bothered with.


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I just talked to them without issue. I was on an Incarnate if that might matter, with all current slots unlocked and a Rare slotted.

I honestly don't remember if Respecs were for sale before, but it seems new to me.

Edit: But yes, no converters, still.
I'm pretty sure they didn't sell respecs before


 

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As you can see in the patch notes, they fixed the "exploit" about using a level 1 character to get converters via vet reward merits. That is the same file where a "bug" in permissions prevents you from buying Converters from the other 3 vendors. I wouldn't be surprised if Posi came out on April 1 and said, "April Fools, we were lying about making Enhancement Converters available for Emps, Astrals, or Alignment Merits."


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At the Crucible, respecs are for sale for AM's (were they earlier? I don't know)
They've always been there.


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As you can see in the patch notes, they fixed the "exploit" about using a level 1 character to get converters via vet reward merits. That is the same file where a "bug" in permissions prevents you from buying Converters from the other 3 vendors. I wouldn't be surprised if Posi came out on April 1 and said, "April Fools, we were lying about making Enhancement Converters available for Emps, Astrals, or Alignment Merits."

The keep TopDoc down protocol, or didn't you think they might be worried that a few people with hordes of Hero Merits and recipes might totally destroy the market ? Not to rub salt here but you can still run the SSAs for regular merits. Anyone with as many alts as you claim should be able to accumulate hordes of merits in short order.


 

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As you can see in the patch notes, they fixed the "exploit" about using a level 1 character to get converters via vet reward merits. That is the same file where a "bug" in permissions prevents you from buying Converters from the other 3 vendors. I wouldn't be surprised if Posi came out on April 1 and said, "April Fools, we were lying about making Enhancement Converters available for Emps, Astrals, or Alignment Merits."
We'll get them eventually, I'm sure. This strikes me as a way to bleed the truly ridiculous number of RMs generated by super packs out of the system somewhat. The irony is that doing so is not just slowing down some of the crazy-making with purples, it's also creating more crazy-making with anything that's not purple/pvp by pushing people away from using their RMs for anything other than converters.

That's just a WAG, though. I'm not trying to understand the logic too much. I'm just logging in, playing, and continuing to get fake-rich. I figure the week that I don't re-position some alts to be in Fort Trident/Crucible will be when they finally push these out via other means than RMs.


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The keep TopDoc down protocol, or didn't you think they might be worried that a few people with hordes of Hero Merits and recipes might totally destroy the market ? Not to rub salt here but you can still run the SSAs for regular merits. Anyone with as many alts as you claim should be able to accumulate hordes of merits in short order.
I guess they weren't worried at all about hundreds or thousands of people with massive numbers of Reward Merits from Super Packs doing the same.

Run SSA #1 for 20 Reward Merits, which is 2 Converters. Or run it for 1 Alignment Merit which will probably be 10 Converters whenever the devs get around to fixing them. Hmm... Is 2 greater than or less than 10?

If Enhancement Converters aren't available at all of the vendors after the next patch, I get to start comparing them to the original CoP trial.


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AM/EM/HM purchasing of enhancement converters needs to go live now. No more delays.


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I found it kinda neat Converting the ATO's. Using super packs I had an over abondence of a few and took some chances on those. I saw that we were able to convert Store bought enhancments as well, but either I was unable to do it or I do not understand what they mean. (Store bought= Paragon Store).
I tried to convert a LOTG attuned and it wouldnt accept it.

Great guide BTW

Anaku


 

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Updated to reflect the vendor patch and the fix to the "shopping cart" icon.


 

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Originally Posted by Fulmens View Post
I don't think the system distinguishes between "mission/drop" Rare and "Pool C" Rare. I'm pretty sure I saw a same-rarity conversion go between pool C and A.

Can anyone confirm/deny this?
I am fairly certain that the game doesn't care what drop pool the rare came from - or, frankly, that it's even Rare in some cases (e.g., I converted a Call of the Sandman into a Touch of Death acc/dam, which is uncommon, and then converted the ToD A/D into another rare). I did a bunch of random converting last night, because I got bored flipping purples and wanted to turn some of the junk random SGmates have stored over the years into more useful items. I can't remember whether it was a level 10 Erad Damage or ADR that I turned into a BotZ KB protection, but I know it was one of the two.


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