Bots aggroing on Marauder in the Lamda trial
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Posted on: 2012-03-13 21:46 in Bug Report Forums
My Lore Seers were going bonkers when I spawned them preparing to rush Marauder. They seemed to be fighting each other over the same space, then one rushed off to charge Marauder and I luckily dismissed her in time before she agro'd the group.
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I don't run many Lambda, find them annoying, personally. But a quick question: does Marauder have a really large AoE aggro/debuff power of some kind? Having played a LOT of MMs, this would be one way to get the behavior you're seeing.
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I don't think so, but this didn't happen before i22
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Originally Posted by Bloodspeaker
I don't run many Lambda, find them annoying, personally. But a quick question: does Marauder have a really large AoE aggro/debuff power of some kind? Having played a LOT of MMs, this would be one way to get the behavior you're seeing.
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The only thing I can think of is that someone else agroed him before you got out to the courtyard. He's got those debuff missiles that can draw pet attention.
It doesn't sound like that is what happened though, so the only piece of advice I can offer is next time use Passive Follow. I *think* that should clear your pets' actions so they don't continue running towards Marauder.
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That will "flush" their aggro list, but if there's a persistent affect hanging around, they'll aggro again as soon as they're put back on either Defensive or Agressive.|
Originally Posted by Computer
...so the only piece of advice I can offer is next time use Passive Follow. I *think* that should clear your pets' actions so they don't continue running towards Marauder.
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As for this starting with the advent of i22, I can guarantee I haven't done a Lambda (or any other itrials, for that matter) since then, so any comments on my part would be speculation.
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As a regular MM player i can verify that the pets DO indeed aggro on both Marauder and Siege and are almost impossible to call back
The only work around is to put your pets on passive(heel) before entering the courtyard (BAF) and after the prisoner break out (LAM)
It does not only apply to bots as i have tried with thugs, mercs(yes i have one!), demons and zombies. I haven't got a ninja high enough as they always drive me mad with there super speed sprints of doom after a fleeing foe.
I've run into the same problem (on my bots, and I've seen it happen multiple times with ninjas), on both Marauder and Siege. It's gotten to the point that I just have to dismiss the pets until everyone's ready; otherwise they aggro even if set to Passive/Follow. Passive/GoTo will keep them in a specific place (like right next to my MM) for a bit, but unless I re-issue the GoTo command every ten seconds or so, they try to charge the AV again.
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I can say my Thugs/Dark pets are bugged as well. Even on Passive/Stay on the slope in front of Marauder, my thugs will attempt to charge Marauder's group.
In BAF, on tennis court waiting for Nightstar or Siege - pets will try to engage either AV regardless of distance or MM controls.
Keyes appears to be fine.
TPN appears to be okay as well.
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I wasn't playin' the MM, but I did see this on a Lambda last night. Bots ran in and caused some inadvertent aggro.
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Seeing it on UG trial as well, summon in the hallway outside the final room, they try to run in. It didn't seem to matter whether MM pets or Lore pets
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Happpened again last night on a lam i was leading on my new lvl 50 brute
Adding to this is the Tin Mage TF - Mastermind Pets will attempt to engage Neuron and Bobcat on their own once the two have spawned. So it's not just trials now, but possibly something to do with their AI (again).
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Posts in the Mastermind forums seem to suggest it may be a knock-on from whatever they did to allow Beasts to benefit from their Run Speed buffs, which was clamped by Castle a couple of years back for this very reason.|
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Adding to this is the Tin Mage TF - Mastermind Pets will attempt to engage Neuron and Bobcat on their own once the two have spawned. So it's not just trials now, but possibly something to do with their AI (again).
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Does this affect controller pets as well as mastermind and lore ones?
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I can't say with 100% certainty that's it happening with all uncontrolled pets, but I've seen a few complaints about it happening with Umbra Beast at least. Saw it happen firsthand on a BAF tonight, too: three Umbra Beasts, one got itself killed charging Siege from clear across the map (but not Nightstar for whatever reason), and two stayed with the group, but sort of... spazzed out. They ran abruptly in random directions from the time the prisoner escape phase ended until Siege was close enough to fight.
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Originally Posted by MriBruce
Does this affect controller pets as well as mastermind and lore ones?
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Originally Posted by Doctor Roswell
I can't say with 100% certainty that's it happening with all uncontrolled pets, but I've seen a few complaints about it happening with Umbra Beast at least. Saw it happen firsthand on a BAF tonight, too: three Umbra Beasts, one got itself killed charging Siege from clear across the map (but not Nightstar for whatever reason), and two stayed with the group, but sort of... spazzed out. They ran abruptly in random directions from the time the prisoner escape phase ended until Siege was close enough to fight.
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It is happening to the UB and other pets as well. Something is broken.
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TPN is nothing more than troublesome for my mastermind now. Did one last night, and I was seeing my henchmen having a very strong desire to run outside of the buildings whenever they are in aggressive or defensive. Not to mention the BAF I did as well. They wanted to be the first to hit nightstar and siege whenever they spawned, once again in aggressive and defensive. To add to this list of problems, when I started a Giant Monster league, my henchmen decided to go and attack the Kraken right after I spotted him, though that might be coincidental. My henchmen seem to have a very strong desire to attack anything that spawns. That or fight over the same spot. From what I hear, a similar bug that was fixed occured in the tutorial. Anyone able to confirm?
Yeah I can at least confirm the bug with the BAF. Ran one with my Necro last night, as soon as Nightstar spawned my pets were charging across the courtyard to her.
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Scratch that, when inside buildings in the 'main room' with the HD, if you summon new henchmen, they will attempt to run outside the room to engage the IDF in the corridors. Ugh!
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Originally Posted by Ideon
TPN appears to be okay as well.
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Has this been fixed yet?
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No and it appears to be getting the ignored pound sand until later treatment we are use to seeing around here from time to time.
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Originally Posted by Cheetatron
Has this been fixed yet?
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The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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Typical but since I'm T4 in everything I want and I have at least 1 of every VR I guess Ill leave my MM retired in terms of trials
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Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
No and it appears to be getting the ignored pound sand until later treatment we are use to seeing around here from time to time.
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I've only done lam twice since I22 but both times after the team split up section my pets would rush mauruder immediately after re-entering the courtyard. No amount of defensive follow has any effect they just run in and ruin everything for everyone. Has anyone else noticed this? I have done 1 Baf on my bots traps and i noticed my bots doing the same with siege.