Mastermind and Controller Paragon Rewards?
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Chad Gulzow-Man,
Posted on: 2012-03-09 17:17 in Player Questions
What list are you looking at? I ask because it clearly states on list on Paragonwiki that MM's and Controllers are unlocked when you've earned 13 rewards at tier 5.
http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Paragon_Rewards
Tier 5 Bonus
- Unlock Requirement: 13 reward tokens earned.
- Owning 13 Reward Tokens grants the following: Access to Controller and Mastermind Archetypes, +3 Salvage Inventory, +3 Vault Inventory, +2 Recipe Inventory, +1 Auction House Slot
I was looking at the chart ingame where you put your tokens in. But thanks. Should have consulted the Wiki first.
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From what I understand, when you are VIP, that list doesn't show everything. Once you're premium, it gives you more info.
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Originally Posted by Reptile Gunslinger
I was looking at the chart ingame where you put your tokens in. But thanks. Should have consulted the Wiki first.
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Ah the ingame chart, yeah that list isn't very helpful at times.
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Originally Posted by Reptile Gunslinger
I was looking at the chart ingame where you put your tokens in. But thanks. Should have consulted the Wiki first.
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Specifically, it doesn't show Premium Unlocks while you are VIP.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Ah the ingame chart, yeah that list isn't very helpful at times.
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It'd be nice if you could force it to show you however :/
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The Controller/Mastermind unlock doesn't show up on that chart, because it isn't unlocked with a token. It shows up on the "thermometer" beside it, because it's part of a tier unlock.|
Originally Posted by Reptile Gunslinger
I was looking at the chart ingame where you put your tokens in. But thanks. Should have consulted the Wiki first.
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As others have said, it might not show up while you're still VIP, but it sounds like you should have enough rewards to unlock it.
Keep in mind that if you've just finished T6, you don't have enough rewards for a permanent IO license yet; it takes a complete T7 for that. That means that you'll need to spend 160 points per month for an IO license or switch to SOs (either with a respec or in a second build) - any IOs you've got slotted will grey out and stop giving ANY effect, no set bonuses, procs, or even enhancement values. Store-bought versions (the attuned enhancements), including ATOs, WILL continue to work as a Premium player, even without an IO license; these enhancements are not crafted, so they aren't considered IOs.
@Roderick
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I envision all the IO sets will be on the market soon. I bet they are making a killing off of these.
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Originally Posted by Roderick
Store-bought versions (the attuned enhancements), including ATOs, WILL continue to work as a Premium player, even without an IO license; these enhancements are not crafted, so they aren't considered IOs.
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The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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I wouldn't be surprised if you were right. However, when I was Premium, before I unlocked my permanent IO license, I still preferred spending $2/month on a license, rather than $2-8/power that I wanted to slot a set in. I slot lower-level IOs, so exemplaring isn't a problem. And I'll just boost them when I decide I've got a build that's good enough that I want to spend cash to make it better.
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Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
I envision all the IO sets will be on the market soon. I bet they are making a killing off of these.
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@Roderick
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Only the Archetype Origin enhancements(or whatever the specific set for each archetype is called) can be used without an invention license.|
Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
I envision all the IO sets will be on the market soon. I bet they are making a killing off of these.
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The other IO sets, though they can be purchased, can't be used without an IO license.(as far as I know)
(They really need to work out a system to prevent people from making poorly informed purchases, especially when they have poor documentation.)
SOs are more than good enough.
Plus, you can use HOs while premium still, and these have always been good.
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There are NO IO sets that can be purchased in the store. All of the sets that can be purchased are Attuned Enhancements, not IOs. As such, they can all be used by any account.
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Originally Posted by T_Immortalus
The other IO sets, though they can be purchased, can't be used without an IO license.(as far as I know)
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@Roderick
What Rod said. Anything you can DIRECTLY purchase in the store can be used by any account.
I say "directly" because there are items in the Super Packs (namely Reward Merits) that cannot be used by all Premium accounts.
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Originally Posted by Roderick
There are NO IO sets that can be purchased in the store. All of the sets that can be purchased are Attuned Enhancements, not IOs. As such, they can all be used by any account.
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There are "Crushing Impact" and other uncommon IO sets on the store. They say NOTHING about being "attuned".
(Edit: They only say that they scale with your character. They do not say that they don't require an IO license or the word "attuned" or phrase "account bound".)
There are special attuned sets now, that you can get through Super Packs and can only slot one per character for the archetype they are made for. Well, they are only attuned once you use an "enhancement catalyst" on them(I think).
Either way, if the IO sets, such as "Crushing Impact", are "attuned and usable by any character" then they should point that out.
It's another example of very poor documentation and hard to find info.
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Wrong.|
Originally Posted by T_Immortalus
There are "Crushing Impact" and other uncommon IO sets on the store. They say NOTHING about being "attuned".
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THERE ARE NO IOS FOR SALE ON THE PARAGON MARKET. AT ALL. ANYWHERE.
This is an IO:
This is not an IO:
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| There are special attuned sets now, that you can get through Super Packs and can only slot one per character for the archetype they are made for. Well, they are only attuned once you use an "enhancement catalyst" on them(I think). |
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| Either way, if the IO sets, such as "Crushing Impact", are "attuned and usable by any character" then they should point that out. |
@Roderick
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Ok. Somebody should tell them to make it more obvious, in the game.|
Originally Posted by Roderick
You are right, they should be more clear. However, there have been redname posts from the first day these went live confirming that these ARE NOT IOs, and DO NOT need an IO License.
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I'm tempted to buy a stealth IO(if they are for sale in there) now.
Of course Stealth IOs are not for sale.
They don't sell IOs :P
But no, none of the travel sets are in the store.
Note that while SBEs are different from IOs, if they share a name, they are exclusive with each other (So, Focused Smite Acc/Dam SBE cannot be slotted in a power with a Focused Smite Acc/Dam IO) and they do count towards the same set bonuses (so 1 Focused Smite SBE slotted next to a Focused Smite Io will get you the 2-piece enhancement set bonus).
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Y'know - and I don't mean this to pick at you, don't take it that way - but this is really splitting hairs. |
Originally Posted by Roderick
Wrong.
THERE ARE NO IOS FOR SALE ON THE PARAGON MARKET. AT ALL. ANYWHERE. This is an IO: This is not an IO: Archetype Enhancements are ALL attuned. Only the Superior version are account-bound. And they have the same icon as Store Bought Enhancements, because, like SBEs, THEY AREN'T IOs. You are right, they should be more clear. However, there have been redname posts from the first day these went live confirming that these ARE NOT IOs, and DO NOT need an IO License. |
Kind of reminds me of Jack's "We're making no more major, sweeping changes to powers." Just before they hit us with ED, which made major, sweeping changes to ... how powers could be enhanced.
Technically correct, but not exactly *honest.*
(Again, not pointing that at you, Roderick - especially with mention of it being mentioned by the devs.)
The most honest thing for them to say is that "IO sets you've purchased with real money (via points) are called 'Attuned' and this special type will be usable even without an IO license."
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I think they also changed the name to avoid confusion. IO's can be traded or sold between players, and far too many people would assume without reading the description that they could buy market "IO's" and sell them at the CH.|
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Y'know - and I don't mean this to pick at you, don't take it that way - but this is really splitting hairs.
Kind of reminds me of Jack's "We're making no more major, sweeping changes to powers." Just before they hit us with ED, which made major, sweeping changes to ... how powers could be enhanced. Technically correct, but not exactly *honest.* (Again, not pointing that at you, Roderick - especially with mention of it being mentioned by the devs.) The most honest thing for them to say is that "IO sets you've purchased with real money (via points) are called 'Attuned' and this special type will be usable even without an IO license." |
The name change, market descriptions, and dev statements about them being "Attuned" allows them to demonstrate to the willfully ignorant that they warned people about the critical difference between the two types of enhancements before they purchased them. Now it's a matter of caveat emptor.
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Eh, perhaps. |
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
I think they also changed the name to avoid confusion. IO's can be traded or sold between players, and far too many people would assume without reading the description that they could buy market "IO's" and sell them at the CH.
The name change, market descriptions, and dev statements about them being "Attuned" allows them to demonstrate to the willfully ignorant that they warned people about the critical difference between the two types of enhancements before they purchased them. Now it's a matter of caveat emptor. |
Makes more sense to me, at least, to think of them as a subset (I suppose) of IOs. I think it was more the vehemence of the "This is not an IO!" that got me chuckling at it.
Doesn't make a difference either way, of course
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Originally Posted by Roderick
Wrong.
THERE ARE NO IOS FOR SALE ON THE PARAGON MARKET. AT ALL. ANYWHERE. This is an IO: This is not an IO: Archetype Enhancements are ALL attuned. Only the Superior version are account-bound. And they have the same icon as Store Bought Enhancements, because, like SBEs, THEY AREN'T IOs. You are right, they should be more clear. However, there have been redname posts from the first day these went live confirming that these ARE NOT IOs, and DO NOT need an IO License. |
The term IO refers to Invention Origin Enhancements.
I point this out for a very specific reason. The term "Invention" in COX refers specifically to the act of using a recipe and salvage at a worktable to craft an enhancement.
Since you don't "Invent" the Store Bought Enhancements, by definition they are not IO's.
See the difference now?
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I've been a subscriber for a good long while now, and I just finished Tier 6 in the Paragon Rewards bracket. But I recently cancelled my sub and it's going to run out in a few days. My main is a MM and I've got a bunch of store points laying around. I don't want to spend them on unlocking MM when I go premium because in the store it says that Mastermind is for VIP or can be unlocked through the Rewards/Vet system. Yet I do not see it ANYWHERE on the list. Am I safe with keeping my Archetype? Or am I too low on the tiers to have it auto-unlocked?