Losing vet reward base items when leaving SG

I've only joined SGs on three of my many characters, and the other day I decided to leave one of those SGs and form my own "personal" SG. Upon quitting the SG, I got the warning that I was going to lose all of the personal base decoration items that I hadn't placed. That's fine, no biggie. I've only earned 10 tokens so far, and the only base items included in my spending choices to this point have been the Wall-mounted Weapon Displays and the Signature Character Items. Though I never placed any of the Signature Character Items, so I don't even know what those are.

But then it occurred to me, what about my 40 or so alts that have never joined a SG? Do they simply fail to have the base items in the first place, since they were not in SGs when I spent the veteran tokens? I just had one of my newer characters create a supergroup, and I noticed that the "Place Personal Item" button was grayed out when I entered the base, but I'm not sure if that was because the entrance portal room (the only room so far) just doesn't allow placing personal items, or if that character just doesn't have the items to place.

I do wonder about the reasoning behind losing items that I never placed, though. I can understand not being able to pick up the stuff I placed and "take it with me" when I leave a SG - they're part of the base once I've placed them, and I've sort of "gifted" them to the group. But I kind of imagined the stuff I didn't place just sitting in personal storage somewhere until I was ready to actually use them.

all of my toons claim personal vet items usually as soon as they are created which is before i can get them into my sg

you shouldnt lose any personal items that you havent placed when leaving a sg, you only lose the items that you HAVE placed iirc

Yeah, I'm not worried about the stuff I actually placed in the SG base. It's the stuff that never got placed that I'm curious about. I'm not even that concerned about losing it, honestly. I'm mainly just curious about the devs' reasoning for making it disappear. Since these items were earned personally, not by the SG, then story-/lore-wise it would seem that these are items my character collected while adventuring on her own, and they belong to her. My character chose to "donate" some of it to her SG, and to keep the rest for herself. Like, to decorate her mansion next door to Manticore So when I leave the SG, what? Do the others in the SG come by my house and take my stuff?

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Originally Posted by Ironblade It's because you don't have anything available to place. The stuff doesn't even exist until you CLAIM it (from email). Until then, nothing you do in any SG can affect it. The only items you can lose are those that you have already CLAIMED but not yet PLACED - i.e. they are sitting in your characters personal inventory.

This is what's puzzling me. I just checked an alt that I haven't played in quite some time, and who is not a member of an SG, and checked her mail. Sure enough, "Signature Character Base Items", which I got from my most recently-spent token, is sitting there in her mail, under "Account Items". I'm leaving it there for now, unclaimed on that character. Meanwhile, I have another alt that just joined an SG. The "Signature Character Base Items" are not in her mail, which would indicate that I claimed that item on that character. However, when she enters her SG base, the "Place Personal Item" button is disabled. So on that character, it looks like she claimed the items from her mail, but they're not available for her to place in the base.

It looks to me as though these base items simply disappear into thin air if they're claimed by a character who is not a member of an SG at the time the items are claimed from the mail. It's as though the game lets the character claim the item, then says, "Oh, but you're not in a supergroup, so you don't need those. I'll get rid of those for you." Which would mean that my characters are not getting the rewards I earned and spent tokens on, simply because they haven't joined a supergroup.

One problem here is that there's no "personal inventory" where I can see if a character has this stuff, as far as I can tell. I can't tell the stuff is there until/unless I join a SG and click the "Place Personal Item" button.

It may have to do with the fact that the veteran base items can now be found in the actual normal editing tabs.

This was changed when they implemented the "claim your stuff through e-mail" function. Since you can only claim something once through e-mail, that means that there was no way to re-claim items used from the personal inventory. Stuff in the personal editing tabs are gone forever once used. The "work around" that the devs came up with was to put the items in the regular editing tabs where things could be used multiple times.

Try looking under "room details" or "other furniture" in edit mode. Go all the way to the end of the list, they should be in there somewhere...

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I checked a few more things:

• I went ahead and created a brand-new character just to test this stuff, to make sure the Base Items are actually showing up in the mailboxes of newly-created characters (just to make sure that the Base Items weren't only going to characters that existed when I spent the tokens). Yup, there they are, amidst all the Tailor Tokens, Respec Tokens, Experienced Temp Powers and Mission Teleporters: Wall Mounted Weapon Racks and Signature Character Items. So all of my characters to date have received these items, and if they're not in a character's mailbox, I can assume that character claimed the items.

• I logged in a villain character who has been in a VG for a few months now, but who I haven't played in a few weeks. I entered her group's base, and the "Add Personal Item" button was active. I clicked it, and it brought up the interface so that I could place the Wall Mounted Weapon Racks. Then I went to her mail and claimed the Signature Character Items. I clicked the "Add Personal Item" button again, and the interface again showed me the Wall Mounted Weapon Racks, but not the Signature Character Items. Why are the Signature Character Items not appearing? Can those be placed only in certain kinds of rooms?

• I logged in a hero character who just joined a SG a few days ago, and entered the base. "Add Personal Item" button is disabled. So either she has "lost" her Base Items, or her group permissions don't allow her to add personal items.

• One of my characters, who has not previously joined a SG, created a SG of her own. As Leader, she has full permissions to modify the base. Her "Add Personal Item" button is still disabled, even though she has claimed the Base Items from her mail.

I'm finding this whole thing very confusing and inconsistent. I'm on Tier 5 of Paragon Rewards, and have spent two tokens on that tier so far. Of the three remaining slots in Tier 5, two of them give base items ("Arachnos Flyer and Longbow Chaser" and "Posters of the CoH Comic Covers"). I'm reluctant to spend a token on those if they're just going to disappear/be unavailable.

Okay, Impish Kat posted while I was still typing, and seems to have solved some of my confusion. I logged in the character who just created her own SG, and I found both the Wall Mounted Weapon Racks and the Signature Character Items at the end of the "Room Details" list. I'll assume they're in the same place on my other characters.

Thanks

Hmm. This just got more puzzling. I took my main, the same character who just quit her SG, and had her create her own SG. I went into "Edit Room" mode, and clicked the "Room Details" tab, and there were all the Wall Mounted Weapon Displays and Signature Character Items that she supposedly "lost" when she left her previous SG. Weird.

You lose crafted items IF you already placed them. If they are still in your Personal Inventory (unplaced) I believe you still have them.

I think.