Rule of Five - ATO question

They're the same set bonus, you can't have more than 5 of the same set bonus.

For the catalyzed ATOs that means you can have either 5 purple sets with +10% rchg or 4 purple sets and an ATO set that gives +10% rchg. But you can't have 5 purple sets and an ATO set that gives +10% rchg.

I'm not nice enough to lie about it, sorry D:

Yessir. Both the catalyzed and purple sets are 'ultimate.' It just so happens that the 10% recharge bonus is the 'ultimate' recharge bonus.

Hrm. So if you stick a non-catalyzed version on a build with 5 purple sets it still conflicts even though the bonus is not the same because the name is?

Non-catalyzed ATO's have pretty unique bonuses that won't conflict with purples. Catalyzing ATO's ups their non-conflicting bonuses into the same range as purples. So if you have 5 purples already, ATO's are actually better left at their base state.

For instance: Ascendancy of the dominator gives a 8.75% recharge bonus with 5 slotted. If you have 5 full purple sets slotted that give the "ultimate" recharge bonus of 10%, you can then have 58.75% recharge. If you Catalyze the ATO set, the 8.75% is bumped up to the "ultimate" 10% recharge bonus, and you then have a 50% recharge bonus. That "ultimate recharge x5" just will never go to "x6."

It's a bit odd, but ATO's have different bonuses between their catalyzed/normal states. Also note that there are reports that catalyzing part of a set 'breaks' the bonuses until the whole set is the same. (Normal or catalyzed, you can't get the 6 slot bonuses for a set that is half catalyzed, half normal.)

It's not odd. They are different ATOs. Mutually exclusive with each other, like stealth IOs, but they are named differently.

Besides - lets say you have three normal, three upgraded to purple levels, and they work together for set bonuses...

Do you get 8.75, 10, or 18.75% recharge bonus?

i would guess yes if you any of the ATO sets had rech as the 3 slot bonus, but i think most of them are in the 4,5,6 slot bonus spots

Yes and no. No other set of "different" enhancements blocks 'another' set. You can only have one of Each ATO, though they are "different" for set bonuses, they are the same for their ability to be slotted.

As to the slots, It goes to what Necrotech_Master said. If you have 3 catalyzed, 3 normal ATO's, you get two bonuses for having 3. All +recharge bonuses are locked up the 5 ATO level, so no dice. In the dominator example, you would probably get two accuracy bonuses...one at normal level, one at ultimate. I would have to test this, though.

this is not true for all of them

the mm ATO has +rech in the 4th set bonus slot (this is only one i know of that is at the 4th slot, this set bonus also is only 7.5% rech not 8.75% like the other ATOs)

the corr ATO has rech in the 6th set bonus slot (dont remember if there were others like this)

most of the other ones have it in the 5th set bonus slot though

Ooh, good call. My bad. Unsurprisingly, you can't split any of the sets for double recharge bonuses in any case. More surprisingly, you CAN do so for some pretty good defense bonuses.

While no other whole sets are mutually exclusive, the setup they use is not unique.The Stealth IOs are set up to be mutually exclusive and they don't count for the other sets set bonus

I24 Proc Chance = (Enhanced Recharge + Activation Time) * (Current PPM * 1.25) / 60*(1 + .75*(.15*Radius - 0.011*Radius*(360-Arc)/30))
Single Target Radius = 0. AoE Non-Cone Arc = 360.

That's what I'm doing with my TW/Elec and SS/Fire Brutes as soon as I have enough catalysts do so.

Essentially:
3 sets of 4 kinetic combats gives you 4.5% hp and 11.25% S/L defense at the cost of 3 base slots and 9 placed slots (12 total)

1 set of the Brute ATO split 3/3 gives you 6% hp and 10% S/L defense at the cost of 2 base slots and 4 placed slots (6 total)

You're getting nearly the same bonus for half the investment. It's ridiculous.

Yup, I plan on doing exactly that with some of my melee characters that utilize typed defense.

Split the Catalyzed versions 3 and 3 between 2 different powers and it's an easy 10% S/L defense.

The best part? You can then slot 3 Pounding Slugfest for an additional 1.25% E/N defense in the same power.

That makes it a LOT easier for scrappers, stalkers, and brutes to hit the softcap once they hit 50.

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.