Got wife to try game. Suggestions for complimentary char?


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I got my wife to try playing CoH on a freedom account, and I'm wondering if anyone would care to suggest an AT to match what she chose to try to play. She chose a Kin/Energy defender, purely because it sounded fun to her, so that's cool. Keep in mind, she has never played a game in first or third person, so just walking around is a challenge for her LOL.

I was thinking a scrapper might work well, like spines or something, as I'd like to try to keep mobs off her, but since she will have trouble doing much damage, I figured a tank would make leveling a bit slow. But, I'm totally open to suggestions for anything. If you have power set suggestions, that would be great too.

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If she's willing to buff you constantly, then a Stone Brute. You'll have fury damage plus her damage buffs; you'll have the speed buff to offset Stone slowness; and you'll be able to taunt things and survive because of Stone defense.


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I got my wife to try playing CoH on a freedom account, and I'm wondering if anyone would care to suggest an AT to match what she chose to try to play. She chose a Kin/Energy defender, purely because it sounded fun to her, so that's cool. Keep in mind, she has never played a game in first or third person, so just walking around is a challenge for her LOL.

I was thinking a scrapper might work well, like spines or something, as I'd like to try to keep mobs off her, but since she will have trouble doing much damage, I figured a tank would make leveling a bit slow. But, I'm totally open to suggestions for anything. If you have power set suggestions, that would be great too.

Thanks all.
I'd say any of the melee types will work well for this. Kinetics is really at its best when it has a melee class to support. Spine or claw scrapper sounds like a good choice but a Brute can give you some of the crowd management of a Tank while still giving you the hitting power.

Who says she will not be able to do damage all by herself? Energy is almost as Blaster-y as a Defender set gets. Don't be surprised if you're needing to move quickly just to keep up with her.


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I'd say any of the melee types will work well for this. Kinetics is really at its best when it has a melee class to support. Spine or claw scrapper sounds like a good choice but a Brute can give you some of the crowd management of a Tank while still giving you the hitting power.

Who says she will not be able to do damage all by herself? Energy is almost as Blaster-y as a Defender set gets. Don't be surprised if you're needing to move quickly just to keep up with her.
Good advice here. I'd point you at something quick-moving with a good aggro aura and plenty of AOE to keep aggro on you.

SS/inv brute. Simple, iconic, effective. If you want something with even more aoe, or if you plan to slow-walk the leveling, claw/inv brute to get the lower level AOE spin.


 

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Yikes.

A Kinetics/Energy defender?

I concur with melee of some kind being the best choice here, but I'll add something to that: Make sure it has a STRONG taunt aura. Otherwise the KB from her Energy Blast powers will cause the things she knocks away from you to get up and kill her instead. You want to make sure that when they go flying, they get up and come running back at you instead of her.

I'd never play Kin/Energy because Kin thrives in melee and Energy is adept at keeping things away from you, but if that's what sounded like fun to her, that's cool.

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I got my wife to try playing CoH on a freedom account, and I'm wondering if anyone would care to suggest an AT to match what she chose to try to play. She chose a Kin/Energy defender, purely because it sounded fun to her, so that's cool. Keep in mind, she has never played a game in first or third person, so just walking around is a challenge for her LOL.
If she has trouble moving around as you say, a Kinetic may not be the best starting character for her - it's a very strong set, but it's also busy and to keep up with a Speed Boosted team you'll want some form of fast movement (I usually stack Siphon Speed). If she's not likely to get frustrated with that, then great! But there may be some frustration at either being left behind after Speed Boosting you or running into obstacles a lot trying to keep up.

And now that the warning is out of the way, I'd recommend a Brute - any Brute, really, since all of the secondaries now have a taunt effect with the EA changes - to pair with her. The Scrapper will get more use from the +damage buffs later on, but she's more likely to have things going after her. Fury may dip a bit between spawns but it's easier than ever to maintain and Siphon Power and Fulcrum Shift will help regardless.


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My wife started playing a couple months ago, and I was asking very similar questions. She started with a blaster, I took a tank. Then she made a couple Scrappers, and the last she made is a Tank. I do not think she has decided what fits her best. She has real connection to both the Blaster and the Tank and plans to 50 them both. She thinks the Blaster is too squishy. the Tank is perfect, except does not do enough damage. So, i just play whatever works best in the team that i have lying around. And we have fun, and thats the most important element to the duo. GL.


 

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Wow! Thanks for all the replies.... and fast!

Yeah, I was a little concerned with her set choices, but I didn't want to make her use something she didn't think would be fun. I don't so much mind the knockback from energy, but mixing it with kinetics made me a little doubtful, as she would need to stay near me for both of us to get the heals and power buffs. Maybe I'll try to explain that to her and see if she'll switch to something else.

What I meant by her not doing damage very effectively was just that she has a hard time moving+selecting mob+activating power ATM. Boy, that really makes me worry about kinetics again.....

Can you make a brute start off as a hero now? I didn't know that if so. My every-night game play was back in CoH beta to like a couple months after CoV. I've been back since last... Sept. I think, so I've picked up on some of the new stuff (and seen a few old chars have lost their OP glory lol.) Perhaps I'll try the SS brute with inv or stone. My dude is a hockey player, so that kinda works beating on people.


 

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Anybody tried street justice or titan weapons? I had the points, so I bought them. Street justice sounds like a WoW rogue with the combo points. Titan sounds kinda funny to play.


 

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What I meant by her not doing damage very effectively was just that she has a hard time moving+selecting mob+activating power ATM. Boy, that really makes me worry about kinetics again.....

Can you make a brute start off as a hero now? I didn't know that if so. My every-night game play was back in CoH beta to like a couple months after CoV. I've been back since last... Sept. I think, so I've picked up on some of the new stuff (and seen a few old chars have lost their OP glory lol.) Perhaps I'll try the SS brute with inv or stone. My dude is a hockey player, so that kinda works beating on people.
The first paragraph is why my mom never got into the game when I tried to get her to play a little bit, but she didn't try to stick with it until she caught up and went back to playing Chuzzle. She didn't want to team with anyone until she got that down, and so soloed to around level 4 or 5. That's why I had my warning - I'd run into someone who got frustrated with the basics and decided it wasn't worth it. Hopefully you'll have better luck.

And yes, ever since Freedom launched you can make any (basic) AT on either side. The epic ATs (WS, PB, Soldier, Widow) are still side-restricted at character creation, but you can switch them at level 20. This also means that as an alternative to a Kin/Energy Defender, she could also do an Energy/Kin Corruptor and get a few more hp and higher damage cap but the best Kinetic powers would come a lot later and Energy Blast is front-loaded on the attacks.


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If you are planning to team in larger PuGs, I would be concerned about her getting a hard time from other players since she's new and her powers have a lot of KB.

Maybe you should consider something like an Earth/Rad controller instead? Something that can lock down mobs so her pew-pew powers do damage and not KB.


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Well, we probably won't do much more than our 2 person team for a while, but I still agree with you all that kin/nrg might really frustrate her.

I was thinking about that, dominator or corrupter. Besides that, brute and stalker are the only ATs available to her on that side. Controller is also not included. Yeah, I'll be talking to her. After all your suggestions, I think the kin/nrg defender is asking for frustration for her. I mean, I got her the Harry Potter game some years ago, which was just walking, jumping, and clicking on stuff. She had to have me move the guy around while she told me what to do. LOL.


 

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He said she was using a Free account, so no Controllers.

Personally, I would suggest that as a new player, she should go with a Blaster. You really can't go with a more simple role than a Blaster. Just hang back from the mess and shoot. Run if you need to. Other Archetypes have more responsibilities like aggro management or buffing and debuffing which may be too much to think about for the uninitiated.

Blasting is also easier for those with poor targeting skills. Because they're further back from the battle, they have a better view of the scene along with more time to pick and choose their targets. Still, remember that Ctrl-Tab is the default for target nearest enemy. It's very helpful if she needs a reference point for retargeting when Tabbing.


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Anybody tried street justice or titan weapons? I had the points, so I bought them. Street justice sounds like a WoW rogue with the combo points. Titan sounds kinda funny to play.
Street Justice is a very fast street fighting based set.

The way the combo points work is: you have 2 types of powers: Combo Builders and Finishers. You attack with Combo Builders and it builds up to 3 combo points. Then you attack with a Finisher and it uses the combo points to buff the damage of the attack.

It's a lot simpler than it sounds once you start playing it. You don't have to use the combo builders in any particular order, and you don't have to build up 3 of them before you use a finisher. The Build Up power in the set gives you a 50% damage boost instead of 100% (or 80% for a non-scrapper), but it gives you 3 combo points instantly.

Titan Weapons is a little different. It has the Momentum mechanic. That means your first attack is going to be slow. REALLY slow. But your next 3-4 attacks will be really fast. It has a lot of AoEs in it, mostly cones.


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I was thinking about that, dominator or corrupter. Besides that, brute and stalker are the only ATs available to her on that side.
You can make any AT on any side now. You can have a heroic brute, or a villainous defender. There's no "this AT must play on this side" anymore.


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For you, a brute of whatever type you prefer. You'll do more damage than a tanker, yet still have a taunt aura to help in keeping mobs off of her.

For her, a blaster (though probably not energy since managing knockback might be a problem) would probably be the easiest to get into with you duoing. Note to blasters fans: I'm not saying blasters are easy, but as long as someone is keeping the mobs off of them they can dish out damage with relative safety. A defender would also be a good choice, but one of the less active primaries would probably be better than kinetics. I would recommend sonic, cold, or thermal as ones that are mostly buffs and/or heals early on but with enough debuff powers to keep them from being boring. As far as secondaries anything would be fine though, again, energy might be tricky.


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Street Justice is a very fast street fighting based set.

The way the combo points work is: you have 2 types of powers: Combo Builders and Finishers. You attack with Combo Builders and it builds up to 3 combo points. Then you attack with a Finisher and it uses the combo points to buff the damage of the attack.

It's a lot simpler than it sounds once you start playing it. You don't have to use the combo builders in any particular order, and you don't have to build up 3 of them before you use a finisher. The Build Up power in the set gives you a 50% damage boost instead of 100% (or 80% for a non-scrapper), but it gives you 3 combo points instantly.

Titan Weapons is a little different. It has the Momentum mechanic. That means your first attack is going to be slow. REALLY slow. But your next 3-4 attacks will be really fast. It has a lot of AoEs in it, mostly cones.
I've played a rogue in wow, and street justice sounds a lot like that. Might work well with the hockey player theme.

TW might frustrate me a bit I think. I'll make a couple on another server and try it out.

What do you think of StJ with WP? I always liked regen, but I know it does not play like I remember it in days of old.

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For you, a brute of whatever type you prefer. You'll do more damage than a tanker, yet still have a taunt aura to help in keeping mobs off of her.

For her, a blaster (though probably not energy since managing knockback might be a problem) would probably be the easiest to get into with you duoing. Note to blasters fans: I'm not saying blasters are easy, but as long as someone is keeping the mobs off of them they can dish out damage with relative safety. A defender would also be a good choice, but one of the less active primaries would probably be better than kinetics. I would recommend sonic, cold, or thermal as ones that are mostly buffs and/or heals early on but with enough debuff powers to keep them from being boring. As far as secondaries anything would be fine though, again, energy might be tricky.
I completely agree. I've already sent her an email at work to explain why, although she does not really understand how stuff works yet. I told her that a blaster would let her concentrate on one or two things, instead of 4-5 things she would need to think about with the defender she has. I think she was afraid of the glass part of the glass canon description I gave her about blasters, but like you said, I'll be there to take care of that. I think soloing a blaster as a first character would probably suck for a new player that has as few gaming skills as her, but she won't be playing if I'm not. I do agree that if you have a decent meat-shield with you, blasting can be pretty simple.

Thanks for the reply.


 

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Sorry. I thought the OP said his wife was using the free account for her kin/nrg def.
Is the OP also using a free account?


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I'm also pretty uncoordinated, so I feel your wife's pain :-) It took me a long time before I felt comfortable teaming with anyone other than Archie.

My first character was a Rad Defender, and Rad is a nice starter set if she likes the idea of a support character. The debuffs are toggles or AoE, so they don't require a lot of fast clicking because you can take your time to select the right mob before starting the fight. Plus it has a Heal, which feels nice and useful because you can see the green numbers going up, and Accelerate Metabolism is an AoE buff on a long timer, so again not complicated to use.

If pairs up well with pretty much anything, but if you're playing on a Brute or a Tank to gather the aggro, then Fire is great because spamming flashy AoEs on bunched up enemies is very satisfying, especially when you're just starting out.

So, maybe Rad/Fire Defender or Fire/Rad Corr?


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Sorry. I thought the OP said his wife was using the free account for her kin/nrg def.
Is the OP also using a free account?
Yes, wife is on free account. Mine is pay. I could not live with two char slots..... or even 20.... lol

Grouchy, not a bad idea. Maybe after she gets used to blaster, I'll step her into a corrupter or defender. She really doesn't get the idea of buff/debuff, or really the basic principles of hit %, slow, or any of it yet.


 

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I have a fire/rad corrupter from the word *go* when villains came out. She is still my most favorite toon to play. Good attacks and easy to apply debuffs plus that heal that is available from the start.


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My wife is struggling with targeting, movement, etc. We still laugh about how she used a jet pack to cram herself so far into a statues crotch it took her minutes to get out. I mean, I still struggle with movement on some maps. To someone who is new it can be very daunting.

Tactics, not even something a new player is worried about. My wife has little patience for pulling, is developing a respect for herding, and anything else she don't care. Although she has developed a understanding of FF gens lol. They just want to engage the enemy, hit buttons, and see cool stuff.

Strategy (team synergy, powerset synergy) even less important than tactics.

At least this is my experience with my wife. But, we have fun, kill stuff, make jokes. To give you an idea i 50 about 0nce every 2 weeks on my own. it would be once a week, but I get distracted with alts. With my wife I am earning exp at a very very glacial pace. But again, it's the journey, not the destination.


 

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I have a fire/rad corrupter from the word *go* when villains came out. She is still my most favorite toon to play. Good attacks and easy to apply debuffs plus that heal that is available from the start.
I really like this idea. She could just blast for a bit, then throw in some debuffs once she gets used to that. Fire/Dev blaster was my favorite ever toon back in the day (but they got unOP'd while I was gone LOL. Actually, devices got red-headed-step-child'd IMO.)



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Strategy (team synergy, powerset synergy) even less important than tactics.

At least this is my experience with my wife. But, we have fun, kill stuff, make jokes. To give you an idea i 50 about 0nce every 2 weeks on my own. it would be once a week, but I get distracted with alts. With my wife I am earning exp at a very very glacial pace. But again, it's the journey, not the destination.
Totally agree on the first point. 50 in two weeks? Holy crap! I must be doing something wrong on my own.


 

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Going to say "Brute" too. What type? Well, that's up to you. I'd go with something that has a damage aura, probably, just because Fulcrum Shift will turn that up to 11. Heck, you'll have very little problem with endurance due to Speed Boost and Transference so I'd say.... Claws/Dark Brute. Roll with it.