So a teammate glitches a task force mission intentionally, causing it to be non-completable
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Posted on: 2012-01-09 17:30 in Victory
Was just on a BAF that had several griefers that got close to being successful, but failed.
Its something that a game like EVE Online gave me a totally new perspective about and it bothers me much less than before after playing that game for years.
Granted griefing "is" an acceptable and promoted part of that game so there is a difference, but I just feel there is a connection to the mentality there that spills over into games like this where griefing is not accepted as a part of the game play and player interaction.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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Its possible there's a distinction made between asking for a mission to be autocompleted due solely to a game bug that makes the mission impossible to complete, and asking for a mission to be autocompleted in an attempt to circumvent the intent of another player to make it impossible to complete. The GMs might be saying by policy that if I run a mission, I have just as much right to decide what happens in that mission as any other player, and the GMs do not want to get involved in arbitrating a player dispute.|
Originally Posted by Satanic_Hamster
Note: I've had gm's auto complete missions on task forces on numerous occasions.
Note 2: It's good to know that you can intentionally grief a task force team with a game bug/glitch and the gm's give their blessing. |
Ironically you might have had better luck reporting it strictly as a game bug, and not as a game bug exploited by another player.
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I reported it as a game bug / mission stuck. Also filed a separate harassment petition.
This was in response to the stuck petition.
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The response seem to suggest customer service combined the two, as the response specifically mentions the acts of another player, rather than the mechanical bug in question.|
Originally Posted by Satanic_Hamster
I reported it as a game bug / mission stuck. Also filed a separate harassment petition.
This was in response to the stuck petition. |
If it was me, I would report the bug first with no mention of the player at all or anything remotely related to player intent, and only after the mission was reset would I then, if I so chose, petition the player.
Its essentially gaming customer service, but to be honest there isn't a tier 1 customer service center in the world I'm 100% straight towards. They play a game: see if we can find a way to make this not our fault. So I play the opposite game: see if I can find the magic words that will get them to do what I need them to do. These magic words may or may not actually describe the problem I currently possess., but that's irrelevant.
Once, I had a monitor fail in a peculiar way: when I tried to turn it on, it made a loud pop, and I began to smell what seemed to be burning plastic. I called the vendor and when they asked me to describe the problem I told them when I turned the monitor on it caught fire I asked them if they would like me to turn it on again and tell them if it catches fire again and they very quickly said "no, no, don't do anything; unplug it and we'll send you another one. Don't do anything at all with that one."
Next time I need a monitor replacement fast, I know how to escalate the problem to the end of the support script instantly.
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This was the response after two escalations after they apologized for taking four hours to respond and with questions on the nature of the stuck, what caused it, and if I still needed help.
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Which TF? Glitch on purpose with intent to screw over others? Or at least, to mess with just you?
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I know it was the ITF, but I don't know what the glitch was.
I'd like details via PM as well. 
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I wouldn't mind details via PM, if they're being sent out. I'm curious how this could be accomplished. Something to do with Sister Solaris, maybe? That seems like the only situation in the ITF where just killing people isn't the only objective.
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I was on an ITF where the team -thought- that Romulus not respawning was a bug. Kind of irritating since all we had to do was kill the friggin nictus'.
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Assuming the griefer wasn't the team leader, he/she could've been kicked from the TF and someone else could've taken Sister Solaris to the altar.|
Originally Posted by MagicFlyingHippy
I wouldn't mind details via PM, if they're being sent out. I'm curious how this could be accomplished. Something to do with Sister Solaris, maybe? That seems like the only situation in the ITF where just killing people isn't the only objective.
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The only TFs that come to mind that are impossible to complete if someone intentionally griefs is the STF and the LRSF. If the person with the temp power DCs/leaves, you can't defeat Aeon or Ms. Liberty without them.
I'm kinda curious what the issue was if it was an ITF also
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I would guess sister solaris as well. Even if some one were to kb one of the mobs around a hostage into a wall I think the gms would fix that.
Im also guessing the leader\star was the one who griefed the lead hostage portion. Knowing hamster im sure he tried team tping so the guy must have had prompt on.
The only thing I can think of to try would be to stealth him I arctic fog\invis other then try to lead\taunt an npc to Solaris and then when she attaches to that npc taunt\pull it over to the altar.
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I once got yelled at for taking the glowie on an stf on my ill\rad rather than letting the tank get it.|
Originally Posted by SolarSentai
Assuming the griefer wasn't the team leader, he/she could've been kicked from the TF and someone else could've taken Sister Solaris to the altar.
The only TFs that come to mind that are impossible to complete if someone intentionally griefs is the STF and the LRSF. If the person with the temp power DCs/leaves, you can't defeat Aeon or Ms. Liberty without them. I'm kinda curious what the issue was if it was an ITF also |
The reason was "what if you dc, we can't finish" I appologized stating that I wasn't aware that controllers dc more than tanks.
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LOL I've never heard that as the reason before.|
Originally Posted by The_Masque
I once got yelled at for taking the glowie on an stf on my ill\rad rather than letting the tank get it.
The reason was "what if you dc, we can't finish" I appologized stating that I wasn't aware that controllers dc more than tanks. |
Generally it's better for a melee toon to take the temp power because they are less likely to get 1-shotted at the encounter with Aeon.
Though nowadays, it really doesn't matter.
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I have. I don't concur with it, but the logic some people follow is that without the tank the task force will fail anyway, so giving the temp to another character only doubles the chances for a d/c to make the task force impossible to complete.
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Originally Posted by SolarSentai
LOL I've never heard that as the reason before.
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I still find the claim/thought that you need a tank or even a melee character to finish a task force to be sad.
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This was on the 3rd mission of ITF.
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Heh yea... I've done many many STFs without tanks or brutes. With enough buffs, who needs em? :P
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Originally Posted by Satanic_Hamster
I still find the claim/thought that you need a tank or even a melee character to finish a task force to be sad.
Also: This was on the 3rd mission of ITF. <snip> |
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Originally Posted by SolarSentai
LOL I've never heard that as the reason before.
Generally it's better for a melee toon to take the temp power because they are less likely to get 1-shotted at the encounter with Aeon. Though nowadays, it really doesn't matter. |
I've always pretty much played my ill/rad like a tank, for a single mob or av his PAs can tank better than some tanks, he does lack the crowd control that a real tank/brute would have but I have rarely had any issues with a single mob (like Dr. Aeon).
In fact, I've seen more mis-cues from tanks jump into the mob and hitting Aeon with the temp, before he hits his shield, something that I would never do on an ill/rad because I have to do a pa drop, which then aggros him and he hits his shield.
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The All-Defender (one of each Primary) STF was the most fun I've ever had on an STF. The Stormy was the Tank! |
Originally Posted by SolarSentai
Heh yea... I've done many many STFs without tanks or brutes. With enough buffs, who needs em? :P
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Pfft. The stormy woulda been the easy choice.
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Originally Posted by Mental_Giant
The All-Defender (one of each Primary) STF was the most fun I've ever had on an STF. The Stormy was the Tank!
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Part 3 hm? not sure how you can be kept from finishing that one by a griefer. They cant stop you from wiping out all the general groups, they cant stop you from killing the bot box. they cant keep you from killing the AVs.
Just odd to me. Where they like leader and jack up the dif suddenly? where they the only 50 and intenionally drop so you suddenly had only lowbies stuck with a 50 lvl mish?
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Both of those issues could be resolved by the team, though. Maybe if they dragged an essential target to a hole in the geometry or something? But even then, a GM should have been able to take care of it.
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Originally Posted by Demetrios Vasilikos
Part 3 hm? not sure how you can be kept from finishing that one by a griefer. They cant stop you from wiping out all the general groups, they cant stop you from killing the bot box. they cant keep you from killing the AVs.
Just odd to me. Where they like leader and jack up the dif suddenly? where they the only 50 and intenionally drop so you suddenly had only lowbies stuck with a 50 lvl mish? |
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Note 2: It's good to know that you can intentionally grief a task force team with a game bug/glitch and the gm's give their blessing.
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