The Knives are a girls-only group - we haven't been told anything about them on Praetorian Earth, or if they even exist there.
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The Knives of Artemis is an all-female society of hired killers. Indigo even refers to them as "that sorority of killers. They exercise very strict discipline and actually have cult-like rituals and rules. In one mission, the player is sent to investigate such a ritual, and a pair of male Malta guards are having conversation about how weireded out they are. Also, according to their description, there are fewer than 100 Knives of Artemis world-wide.|
Originally Posted by Gobbledygook
Is the group "Knives of Artemis" all female? Is there no male counterparts? What about Praetoria? I seem to remember Manticores evil twin having a group of ninjas, but can't remember anything about them.
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As for Praetorian Earth, that doesn't have a Knives of Artemis or equivalent, not one that is official as such. Chimera, the Praetorian Manticore, does have a secret army of ninja, which in newer content has been slightly retconned into a group of assassins. I suspect you may be able to write your character into that, but you also have to acknowledge that you surrender you will to Chimera. In his story arc in Praetoria, Praetori Sinclair - Chimera - shows himself to be immensely possessive of his subjects, invasively controlling and wholly paranoid as a leader. Serving under him pretty much requires that your character be either blindly loyal or otherwise lacking any will of his or her own.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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Well, he is supposed to be a deep cover FBSA agent. I suppose I could work in Chimeras group.
Btw, thanks, I could not remember his name to save my freakin life.
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I'm sure if you wanted to hard enough, you could imagine a connection between the Knives of Artemis and the Furies.|
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
As for Praetorian Earth, that doesn't have a Knives of Artemis or equivalent, not one that is official as such. Chimera, the Praetorian Manticore, does have a secret army of ninja, which in newer content has been slightly retconned into a group of assassins.
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They've got a thing for death dealing women-only cults:
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Talons_of_Vengeance
It's not hard to imagine them as a spiritual counterparts to the Knives. Where as the Knives embody the cold, detached, professional side of killing, the Talons are the flip side: passion, murderous hatred and bloodlust.
In other words, the blade versus the talon.
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Only problem is, it's a male toon.
He's already lvl 37 to and halfway IO'ed.
I found the entry on the KoA in paragonwiki, and this did catch my eye.
The Knives of Artemis is an all-female mercenary group, and has a reputation as one of the deadliest paramilitary groups in the world. The Knives are often seen as an extension of the Malta Group, and are enlisted for high-level security functions, or to engage in surgical strike operations.
I think I can work the Malta angle in there somehow and still have a connection with the KoA.
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Could also change the gender to female with the science booster power.
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This has always bugged me. I mean if they're going to say this they could at least have given them a 'teleporting away' defeat animation. But instead we end up fighting more than 100 KoA on the average +0/x1 mission.|
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Also, according to their description, there are fewer than 100 Knives of Artemis world-wide.
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The same thing kind of applies to the sky raiders.
These are supposed to be limited number organizations and yet they can still pull the same old Zerg Rush (Kekekekeke) tactics as any other group.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Also, according to their description, there are fewer than 100 Knives of Artemis world-wide.
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I once lost a teammate to being Caltropped to death. It was sad.
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Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
This has always bugged me. I mean if they're going to say this they could at least have given them a 'teleporting away' defeat animation. But instead we end up fighting more than 100 KoA on the average +0/x1 mission.
The same thing kind of applies to the sky raiders. These are supposed to be limited number organizations and yet they can still pull the same old Zerg Rush (Kekekekeke) tactics as any other group. |
Not suppossed to be more than 5000 supers world wide either.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
I used to fight Knives of Artemis like you until I took a caltrop inna foot.
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"How do you know you are on the side of good?" a Paragon citizen asked him. "How can we even know what is 'good'?"
"The Most High has spoken, even with His own blood," Melancton replied. "Surely we know."
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At least at issue 1 launch servers couldn't handle more than that many on at a time per-server.|
Originally Posted by BrandX
That's just a problem with Lore versus game mechanics.
Not suppossed to be more than 5000 supers world wide either. |
And as i mentioned, all it would really take to make it a bit more believable is if the KoA had a special "Teleport away" defeat animation.
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We may want to leave things alone, or somehow the Well of the Furies will get involved in the answer. He's very insecure you know. Always trying to worm his way into any back story he can.
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Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
At least at issue 1 launch servers couldn't handle more than that many on at a time per-server.
And as i mentioned, all it would really take to make it a bit more believable is if the KoA had a special "Teleport away" defeat animation. |
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No, 5,000 registered supers in the Paragon City area, according to the Blue King comics.
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You could make him part of an experimental group where the Knives are cross-training with Malta... another possibility is to make him a member of some anonymous group who are studying the KoA with the intent of neutralizing them.|
Originally Posted by Gobbledygook
Only problem is, it's a male toon.
He's already lvl 37 to and halfway IO'ed. I found the entry on the KoA in paragonwiki, and this did catch my eye. The Knives of Artemis is an all-female mercenary group, and has a reputation as one of the deadliest paramilitary groups in the world. The Knives are often seen as an extension of the Malta Group, and are enlisted for high-level security functions, or to engage in surgical strike operations. I think I can work the Malta angle in there somehow and still have a connection with the KoA. |
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Officially, the "only 100 Knives of Artemis in the world" angle has been dismissed, as per this quote:
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While I appreciate the suggestion, that will not happen.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
Could also change the gender to female with the science booster power.
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An NPC in a mission somewhere mentions something to the effect of "...before one of the 50 000 heroes in Paragon City rescues him..." in a red-side mission, I believe. That said, I don't think the comics are exactly canon.|
Originally Posted by Venture
No, 5,000 registered supers in the Paragon City area, according to the Blue King comics.
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Originally Posted by Mokalus
Officially, the "only 100 Knives of Artemis in the world" angle has been dismissed, as per this quote:
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You could make him a KoA who was gender-switched into a man due to some mutation, scientific experiment, magical backfire or malfeasance. Perhaps your character was known for despising men, and was cursed to live as one? Imagine suddenly realizing you're staring at a woman's figure for entirely different reasons than figuring out how many caltrops she's got on her, or realizing Chuck Norris is your personal hero, and wanting to see The Dirty Dozen just one more time? |
Originally Posted by Gobbledygook
While I appreciate the suggestion, that will not happen.
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Be a heck of a lot of fun to RP, if you're into that.
Reasons the Knives of Artemis may accept a male into their ranks:
* Target practice.
* The "Women Are Superior In Part Because None Of Our Internal Organs Are On The Outside Of Our Bodies" groin kick demonstration during basic training.
* Some of the Commanders got to talking to Carnie ladies about the many uses of bucket-heads.
* Killing spiders and lifting of heavy objects.
* Words to strike fear in any man's heart: P.M.S. Counsellor
* Caltrop sharpness tester
* "A male? We can change that..."
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We may want to leave things alone, or somehow the Well of the Furies will get involved in the answer. He's very insecure you know. Always trying to worm his way into any back story he can.
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* Killing spiders
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"How do you know you are on the side of good?" a Paragon citizen asked him. "How can we even know what is 'good'?"
"The Most High has spoken, even with His own blood," Melancton replied. "Surely we know."
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
I used to fight Knives of Artemis like you until I took a caltrop inna foot.
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There are several problems with this approach, starting with the fact that many badges are gender-specific - simply changing your body type won't help unless it's meant only as a disguise.|
Originally Posted by BrandX
Could also change the gender to female with the science booster power.
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OP - there's a Rogue Tip Morality mission involving Silent Blade and a group that apparently splintered off the KoA, and this group actually includes males (using the Tsoo models). Maybe you should check that out, it might work for your blade-wielding toon.
SO I am working on a backstory for my neweset scrapper, but there is something I am unsure of.
Is the group "Knives of Artemis" all female? Is there no male counterparts? What about Praetoria? I seem to remember Manticores evil twin having a group of ninjas, but can't remember anything about them.
Had to update the OP. Changing the toon to a female is a definite no-go.
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