*bump* What he said: lol
I have played KM/WP and KM/Regen but with out the fancy IO's all my toons just suck. I was prety good at PvP until the purple sets came along. And now that the PvP sets exist I just dont seem to stand a chance. 
If you can't compete with the downies in this game without purps or pvpios just give up now.
The problem is all the "downies" happen to have them.
As far as OP, the only viable sets are regen and elec.
So, yeah, ignore people who QQ about Purples and PvP IOs, you can still make a viable zone toon without them easily, and I will second Elec and Regen as your best options for KM. I would also strongly recommend Devices Mastery or whichever the one is that gives you Webnades and Targetting Drone, and then probably SS/SJ/Phase/Tough.
@TheKatalyst
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Sets like that only matter if you are trying to 1 v 1 someone. In city of heroes 1 v 1's come down to 90% build/gear/luck with procs 5% knowledge and 5% skill. And I'm probably being generous with the latter two stats.|
Originally Posted by bearpawztx
*bump* What he said: lol
I have played KM/WP and KM/Regen but with out the fancy IO's all my toons just suck. I was prety good at PvP until the purple sets came along. And now that the PvP sets exist I just dont seem to stand a chance. |
Without them (ultra expensive io's) in zones, you'll be at a disadvantage but with teammates they can be overshadowed and you can still perform your role.
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This is true, and just because you have expensive IOs in your build doesn't make it good. It's possible to make good builds using very few expensive IOs with smart slotting.|
Originally Posted by MrLiberty
Sets like that only matter if you are trying to 1 v 1 someone. In city of heroes 1 v 1's come down to 90% build/gear/luck with procs 5% knowledge and 5% skill. And I'm probably being generous with the latter two stats.
Without them (ultra expensive io's) in zones, you'll be at a disadvantage but with teammates they can be overshadowed and you can still perform your role. |
The only thing I would argue is that 1v1s and the like have slightly more emphasis on skill and tactics then people give them credit for, though I would still put emphasis on build at about 70-80%, so builds are still the most important thing in 1v1s. To think that 1v1s are somehow completely void of any skill is pretty naive though, or you wouldn't have people that are consistently winning duels. I would also say that skill is the wrong word to use, because skill in this game is more about tactics and logistics then what video-game skill would normally equate to.
ANYWAYS, this post is borderline srs, so I will stop here.
@TheKatalyst
My **** is bleeding.
^ This will now be my excuse for losing 90% of my duels with my unpurpled/unpvpIOd dueling toons.
Is siphon power needed in PvP for this set? seems like a waste of animation time right?
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Siphon Power is a essential power to reach the maximum potential of the KM set.
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Originally Posted by Neeto
Is siphon power needed in PvP for this set? seems like a waste of animation time right?
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The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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Which translates to: how hard your CS can hit.
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Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
Siphon Power is a essential power to reach the maximum potential of the KM set.
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@TheKatalyst
My **** is bleeding.
Which leads to my next question. Instant Healing or Siphon Power? and thx for the answers 
Both.
arrrg ok... Taunt or instant healing?
Both
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lol... @Neeto, I would take IH over taunt, taunt is pretty crappy on Scrappers, not sure why it's even an option for you to take taunt over IH. IH is one of the things that makes regens, well, regens. There's no Regen build out there that doesn't have it.|
Originally Posted by MrLiberty
Both
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There's also more or less no KM build out there without Siphon Power... even though it's not a real BU, it still gives you a noticeable damage boost, particularly in long fights.
Also, I'm very dissapoint in myself for offering advice to someone making a KM/Regen. My REAL advice is that you don't roll a Scrapper at all, but if you must, then read above.
@TheKatalyst
My **** is bleeding.
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Originally Posted by The Katalyst
lol... @Neeto, I would take IH over taunt, taunt is pretty crappy on Scrappers, not sure why it's even an option for you to take taunt over IH. IH is one of the things that makes regens, well, regens. There's no Regen build out there that doesn't have it.
There's also more or less no KM build out there without Siphon Power... even though it's not a real BU, it still gives you a noticeable damage boost, particularly in long fights. Also, I'm very dissapoint in myself for offering advice to someone making a KM/Regen. My REAL advice is that you don't roll a Scrapper at all, but if you must, then read above. |
Don't be too hard on yourself Kat.
Taunt can be pretty useful on a scrapper, it still does -range and in 2v2s or small teams you can taunt the target off of your teammate.
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I am very rarely too hard on myself, I get over stuff quickly because I have no concious.|
Originally Posted by The_Masque
Don't be too hard on yourself Kat.
Taunt can be pretty useful on a scrapper, it still does -range and in 2v2s or small teams you can taunt the target off of your teammate. |
Taunt CAN be useful in some situations, my point was that it's not nearly as useful as IH on a Regen, but it is fair to point out that Taunt isn't utterly useless. I think for general zone play, taunt on Scrappers is fairly useless, and I doubt this guy is going to take his KM/Regen into arena matches.
@TheKatalyst
My **** is bleeding.
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Due to the incarnate system and upcoming incarnate powers, it has turned PvP on its head for me. For example, my i17 legacy build therm corr can only draw vs good PvPers now. It seems like people are doing 25%-30% more dmg than me, and they throw fire at me even though it doesn't say fire ball in their info. In other words, I don't understand PvP now, like i intimately did before. This scrapper will replace my elec/SS tank for all purpose PvP including arena because i feel that with the incarnate system, Tanks received the least synergy with incarnate powers for PvP. And of my near 2000 posts, 98% of them have all been posted on the PvP section. I came from i4 when tribute was around up untill JaL left. So it's not like i have no skill, I just don't have incarnates, nor PvP IOs. |
Originally Posted by The Katalyst
I am very rarely too hard on myself, I get over stuff quickly because I have no concious.
Taunt CAN be useful in some situations, my point was that it's not nearly as useful as IH on a Regen, but it is fair to point out that Taunt isn't utterly useless. I think for general zone play, taunt on Scrappers is fairly useless, and I doubt this guy is going to take his KM/Regen into arena matches. |
Looking at the math, dark/poison is great along with KM (and i rather make a dark/poison over a dark/cold).... but since i heard poison on corrs and defenders might get a nerf, i went with KM. psi/em is still good but it's easy mode and it's boring when 2 players try to zerg each other down over and over (It's also pretty mindless in 8v8s with vent.) So I wanted either disruption with a bit of burst dmg or debuff with DPS. If you have any other builds that can do that and are decent in 1v1s lemme know; and if anyone can confirm any future nerfs i would like to know because i no longer understand the state of the game.
oh and ty for the info.
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I guess I didn't see where the OP or Neeto was saying it was only for zone. |
Originally Posted by The Katalyst
I am very rarely too hard on myself, I get over stuff quickly because I have no concious.
Taunt CAN be useful in some situations, my point was that it's not nearly as useful as IH on a Regen, but it is fair to point out that Taunt isn't utterly useless. I think for general zone play, taunt on Scrappers is fairly useless, and I doubt this guy is going to take his KM/Regen into arena matches. |
PS... You probably mean conscience which is the inner sense of what is right or wrong.
What you wrote means you lack mental faculties to be active.
poison's far more likely to get buffed than nerfed.
pve-ers rule this game.
there's a thread somewhere about how when it comes to numbers, poison is inferior to rad or dark (in pve, or in pvp against someone not retarded).
with incarnate slots, poison is not nearly as OP as most people make it out to be. you just need to sit and think a bit and you'll figure it out.
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wrong, wrong, he was just so wrong. A good poison can easily beat a rad, it is OP. your poison i could probably destroy on my rad, but a good poison will eat me for breakfast, lunch, and dinner! Please nerf!
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Originally Posted by recalx
poison's far more likely to get buffed than nerfed.
pve-ers rule this game. there's a thread somewhere about how when it comes to numbers, poison is inferior to rad or dark (in pve, or in pvp against someone not retarded). with incarnate slots, poison is not nearly as OP as most people make it out to be. you just need to sit and think a bit and you'll figure it out. |
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We beat The Renegades.
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This is silly. Where is your support data to support whatever nerf it is you are calling for now?|
Originally Posted by BattleWraiths Life
Please nerf!
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Please nerf? No. Please present the data support the need for a nerf. I don't think the devs need to pay ANY attention to nerf calls from people that have no support beyond a hurt butt.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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Please don't judge me. My support data: I actually play this game, who are you again?|
Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
This is silly. Where is your support data to support whatever nerf it is you are calling for now?
Please nerf? No. Please present the data support the need for a nerf. I don't think the devs need to pay ANY attention to nerf calls from people that have no support beyond a hurt butt. |
Please nerf? Yes. Please present the data support the need for a nerf: No. I don't think you should be allowed to speak because you have no intentions besides alienating other players.
Claw of The Dragon PvP (CoTD)
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RIP Guardian Server
We beat The Renegades.
hmm, making a case about poison from data based off of solely "dark/poisons" is akin to making a case about therms based solely off of "elec/therms" pre-incarnates, or in team play, */em off of "psi/ems".
way dumb.
gtfo hot.
just making my first foray into pvp and am looking for suggestions on a good pairing for a scrapper with km/. had a km a while back but he disappeared - probably a fit of madness. seems most folks who pvp a are a bit mad anyway.
any help is appreciated. not sure whether it will team or not. does it make a big difference and if so one of each would be good. ill play withmids after i get some more ideas. thanks for the help.