What I wonder is why the Dirge is even around.
In the first Mercedes Sheldon arc heroside IT GETS DESTROYED unless Darrin Wade made pirated copies... which leads to the funny thought of Arachnos busting his *** for music piracy.
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yeah, the "you wouldn't steal a car" thing bombed hardcore in the Rogue Isles.
SPEAKING OF THAT. I heard they stole the music for that thing.
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The demons are Hardcase's, I believe.
Oh, you could be right Guy. BUT..I am totally sure I saw John use a fire whipe..from DS. So even if the demons do belong to Hardcase (which, now I think..in a tip Hardcase IS a fire fire brute, so no.,,they arent his) it still does not explain why he isnt a sonic. lol
Johnny doesn't fight in that mission. He's a "hostage" that you "save" from Hardcase and crew.
Of course, this just makes it an even bigger Wall Banger as Hardcase's missions make it perfectly clear he despises "demon callers". But that particular shark was jumped with the Tip missions.
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Guy..not to argue..but i SAW Johnny use a whip. He attacked me. I know he did. SO..again..how isnt he fighting?
I ran the mission myself just now to take a look.
Here's Johnny before the fight, conning friendly:
And Hardcase appears to be Fiery Melee/Fiery Aura; no demons:
Johnny never moved, and I definitely couldn't attack him (nor did he attack me):
After the fight, things proceeded normally:
Since I don't have any reason to believe you're hallucinating, the only thing I can come up with is that some glitch may have caused Johnny to attack, and for whatever beanbrained reason in that mission, he's got Demon Summoning as his offensive powers.
In any case, he's not supposed to attack you at all, regardless of what kind of whip he may or may not have.
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Same here, whip and all, my trip mines thought he was hostile too (not that I stacked a bunch of them under his feet or anything...), that was blueside, he might be friendly redside. I don't recall him having thugs around him either, he calls in ambushes and then decides to take you out himself (along with Hardcase). I don't see the midnighter either in those pics.|
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Guy..not to argue..but i SAW Johnny use a whip. He attacked me. I know he did. SO..again..how isnt he fighting?
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The mission objective wasn't "Record a Song on the Dirge of Chaos" either, those are redside pics.
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Johnny never moved, and I definitely couldn't attack him (nor did he attack me):
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He definitely went hostile on Blueside against my Bots/Traps MM. After a really long dialogue and some wave attacks leading up to it first of course. Which gave me plenty of time stack some trip mines at his feet. He went hostile, activated my trip mines, went kablooey and then surrendered. I didn't even get a chance to fight Hardcase. I was actually a little disappointed to realize I had accidentally bypassed the entire encounter.
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You're in the wrong mission. He most certainly does fight in the mission people are talking about. Maybe he doesn't fight in the VILLAIN version? I only ran the villain version once so I don't recall.
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Maybe I did say as a 'villain'! I seriously can;t remember now. lol. But, I think I was on..redside? Maybe? Didnt mean to cause confusion, but he does attack..in one of the mission. Regardless..it does not explain why he isnt a sonic..sonics need love too.
Sorry Guy.
I'd like to know why the 'song' he recorded doesn't rhyme at all, or make any attempt to sound like something someone would sing. Couldn't we have gotten a little music clip and a song attempt?
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Maybe something like this...erm...wait...think someone else already used it.
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I'd like to know why the 'song' he recorded doesn't rhyme at all, or make any attempt to sound like something someone would sing. Couldn't we have gotten a little music clip and a song attempt?
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Originally Posted by Mad_Scientist_JC
I'd like to know why the 'song' he recorded doesn't rhyme at all, or make any attempt to sound like something someone would sing. Couldn't we have gotten a little music clip and a song attempt?
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Without music backup, or a voice singing it, we're just stuck reading it. Can hardly tell it's supposed to be a song that way. I want a 30 second recording of Zwil doing his best Frank Sinatra impression!
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Since when were songs supposed to rhyme?
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Since when were songs supposed to rhyme?
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song
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a short metrical composition intended or adapted for singing, especially one in rhymed stanzas; a lyric; a ballad.
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a musical piece adapted for singing or simulating a piece to be sung: Mendelssohn's “Songs without Words.”
3.
poetical composition; poetry.
4.
the art or act of singing; vocal music.
5.
something that is sung.
See point one mention rhymes? See point 3 mentioned poetry, which usually rhymes? Granted, not ALL songs rhyme, but a great many do, or at least have sections in them that do.
Oh yes, I get that. I just never recall it being a hardline rule that songs have to rhyme in order to be songs. Hell, the same goes for poems. I've read dozens of poems that don't feature a single rhyme, just as I've listened to dozens of songs without rhymes.
I'm not sure (or maybe I've just forgotten) if Johnny's demonic deal got him actual singing ability, or if it just added magical compulsion to his still-bad singing so that people liked it anyway. If the latter, I see no reason his song should be halfway decent to read without music 
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I bet Johnny is really annoyed that he had to sell his soul, now all the people that can't sing just use auto-tune. I think he was a mediocre singer and the deal made him more appealing, but not better. Still not being able to sing doesn't necessarily mean he has to be a lousy song writer.
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I'm not sure (or maybe I've just forgotten) if Johnny's demonic deal got him actual singing ability, or if it just added magical compulsion to his still-bad singing so that people liked it anyway. If the latter, I see no reason his song should be halfway decent to read without music
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Well, Akarist doesn't seem to care for him.
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'These things never end well' Before you handed him over to Johnny's men, Akarist told you something: 'Ah, so I was correct. This is about Mr. Sonata. How droll. No doubt he's begun to fear his contract is finally up. Oh, you did know that, correct? This is all about the little deal Mr. Sonata made to gain all of his wealth and power and fame. It's a sad case, really, but one repeated any time ambition and ignorance boldly stride into the open arms of the underworld. I was wondering why so many people seem so enthralled by such a mediocre singer. And here I had put it off to changing tastes in music over the eons since I was last alive. It does make sense, though. My guess would be that the 'Wailer' demons are part of the curse, come to collect Mr. Sonata's soul. Mr. Sonata has been very clever, though. St. Martial itself is nothing more than a way to focus mystic power into a series of wards meant to distract, disrupt, or bar the demons' entry. But it won't work forever. I'll provide him advice of course, but it's not going to help. These things never end well. Believe me, I know. The delightful thing about situations like this is that it works both as history and as metaphor. Johnny Sonata sold his soul for success literally, but the sort of person he is, if there were no demons in this world, he would have sold his soul just the same through more mundane means. |
On the hero side mission you DO fight Johnny and he does use a whip. He also goes on at length about having gotten a new artifact from Wade. Possibly the demon summoning whip is the artifact in question.
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I enjoyed SSA part four. It was a little too..wordy? texty? but it was fun. Aside from me waiting to actually kill Malaise and HELP sister psy (as a villain) I have a bit of a poser, pointed out by a friend returning to the game.
Johnny is a singer, granted a super powered voice by some kind of shady deal with the Wailers and other demons. The whole SSA 4 is based around using an artifact (cool to link it in with Mercedes arc, but since the redside Merc arc doesnt even mention the Dirge, it is a bit pointless) and his voice to cause trouble.
So, as this friend wonders..WHY is he apparently a demon summoning MM, and not a sonic?? Wouldn't that sorta fit? Sure, maybe along the way to power, he happened to gain some demonic followers, I can buy that. But..at least make him a DS/Sonic mastermind! Besides, isn't Dessy our token summoner NPC?
What makes it even sillier..is that IN Johnny Sonata's own story arc, his evil spirit appears as, you guessed it, a sonic/sonic!