Longer Bios


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Am I the only person that would like a longer bio than 1023 characters?

I was just wondering if this could be lengthened or if there is a reason why the space to write your bio is so short. I appreciate that there has to be a limit but 1023 characters isnt a lot.

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Less is more.
But more is even more.


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More is TL;DR. Give me the Reader's Digest version. If I want to read more, I'll got to someone's web site or ouroportal.com (when it goes back online anyhow). I don't read bios to read novels.

Obviously just my opinion.


 

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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim View Post
Don't double space. Seriously. It takes up 10 characters.
That's the catch 22. No double spacing makes bios more annoying to read, making them seem longer and more self-indulgent (to the casual onlooker) than they might otherwise.

But if the max length were increased so that current bios could be double-spaced, people would just write more.


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Originally Posted by Obsidius View Post
More is TL;DR. Give me the Reader's Digest version. If I want to read more, I'll got to someone's web site or ouroportal.com (when it goes back online anyhow). I don't read bios to read novels.

Obviously just my opinion.
So don't read it. What does your willingness to read my bio have to do with my desire to write it? Not everyone writes text to show it off. Some of us write text for ourselves. So if you don't want to read longer bios... Well, don't. I won't mind. So long as I can actually write it, I honestly don't give a toss who reads it.


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For whom is the bio?

When I pull up someone's info in-game, I don't have the time (nor the inclination, tbh) to read anything I have to scroll.

When it's back online in a few days, the Ouroboros Portal is a place to put up lengthy character bios, pics, stories, etc.... Put a link to it in the in-game bio space.


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For whom is the bio?
As far as I'm concerned, it is solely for myself. If people want to random-read my bio, great. If they don't, meh. If someone specifically wants to know what my character is about, he'll read it one way or another, and if someone doesn't care, he won't read it at all.

Again, who's going to read a bio has no relevance to a character owner who is not interested reader traffic.


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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow View Post
So don't read it. What does your willingness to read my bio have to do with my desire to write it? Not everyone writes text to show it off. Some of us write text for ourselves. So if you don't want to read longer bios... Well, don't. I won't mind. So long as I can actually write it, I honestly don't give a toss who reads it.
If only you read it, you can put as much as you want in a playernote about yourself.

Playernotes are a great place to put in-game 'sticky notes' for yourself since they don't have to use a valid character name. If it is a valid character name, the game links the note to the player's global info. If it isn't a valid character name, it's just a text file you can read and edit anytime.


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That space is for your character's bio, not their life story.


 

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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow View Post
As far as I'm concerned, it is solely for myself. If people want to random-read my bio, great. If they don't, meh. If someone specifically wants to know what my character is about, he'll read it one way or another, and if someone doesn't care, he won't read it at all.

Again, who's going to read a bio has no relevance to a character owner who is not interested reader traffic.
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But more is even more.
More is less, by which I mean to say, in all seriousness, it has not escaped my notice that among my numerous alts on various servers, while the more detailed biographic sketches may or may not elicit approving comments from the general populace, whether in pick-up groups, task forces, or simply the gatherings at the auction house, it is the pithier, more straightforward bios - written in direct language and without extraneous rhetorical flourishes, I should point out - that tend to receive the most unsolicited compliments, since these are the ones that evidently best convey not only the imaginative concept of the characters, but also the personal qualities of the player behind the avatars.

Also, breaking up bios into multiple paragraphs helps avoid the Wall of Text Effect.


 

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Well, it seems it's already LESS that it was sometime prior to I21. I've gone back recently to work on some of my character bio's and found that what I originally wrote will no longer fit. Maybe that has to do with doublespace=10 characters? I double-space after sentences by force of STRONG habit because that is how I learned on the typewriter. Maybe I'm imagining things.

Yeah, it's disappointing and I have always run up against the limit again and again with various bio's. I also desperately wish it behaved better just for purposes of entering and editing that text, but that is likely to be SO far down the list of priorities I hold almost no hope it will ever be addressed. I furthermore wonder just what orifice they pulled that particular character limit from.

However, I take it as a CHALLENGE to fit a description or bio into that meager space allotted - especially if I'm hitting the limit. What information do I NEED to put down? What can I leave out? How can I phrase this more efficiently without losing important pieces of what I want to say - or better yet fitting even more meaning into less space.

And for my characters it's NEVER (okay, almost never) just a dry, boring recitation of major events in the characters life story from birth. It appears as a page of entries from a journal; it's a police or government agency report excerpt; it's florid prose by the character himself; it's a few paragraphs describing the moment of the characters discovery of her mutation; it's a poem that fits the characters attitude; whatever. I try to exercise as much creativity with every bio I write - but hitting the limit only tells me I'm being too long-winded and need to re-write it, tighten it up, make it BETTER - not just longer.


 

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Originally Posted by TrueGentleman View Post
More is less, by which I mean to say, in all seriousness, it has not escaped my notice that among my numerous alts on various servers, while the more detailed biographic sketches may or may not elicit approving comments from the general populace, whether in pick-up groups, task forces, or simply the gatherings at the auction house, it is the pithier, more straightforward bios - written in direct language and without extraneous rhetorical flourishes, I should point out - that tend to receive the most unsolicited compliments, since these are the ones that evidently best convey not only the imaginative concept of the characters, but also the personal qualities of the player behind the avatars.
My experience has been the contrary. The characters I've usually received compliments for have been the ones with least to say, yet still using 1000+ characters to say it. Specifically, Grimwall's story started as something I wrote in vague first person narrative because I honestly didn't have a good idea of what to write, and she has received numerous compliments. I suspect this is mostly because lack of content meant I had room to stretch my legs and use the kind of verbose prose that's terrible at making a point, but good at setting a mood, and hers is one emotion, longing and hope.

By contrast, characters I'd written a long time ago whose bios mostly come down to a dry description or a basic sequence of events rarely get much notice, even from people I directly ask to read them and give me an opinion. While I generally don't expect people to read my bios, what I want those who do to find in them is not information, but rather an emotion. At the end of the day, it's all fan fiction that no-one cares about. Unless you have an amazingly ground-breaking idea (and I rarely do), no-one cares about your backstory. I try to make something that leaves an impact, and will sacrifice plot points in order to achieve this.

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Also, breaking up bios into multiple paragraphs helps avoid the Wall of Text Effect.
That it does. As I replay old characters, occasionally I'll run into one I made in I16 when the bio text editor was bugged and removed new line characters altogether. Their bios are a right mess of a wall of text that I've had to cut down to at most 600-800 characters lest they become impossible to read. I've tried fixing those up, but ended up scrapping them and writing from scratch. They were THAT bad. I also remember when new lines cost us four symbols instead of one, when you had to manually write in <br> or the editor would simply disregard your new lines. That may have been restricted to the Architect, however, I don't remember.

Point is, yes - paragraphs help, and they help greatly.


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START>All Programs>Notepad
Check. OK, now how do I attach this to my character so I can access it from inside the game without having to remember where on which of my hard drives I put it?


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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

 

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I've always liked the idea of multiple bio pages. Basic page for main information, and extra pages for character progression, next issue, etc.



 

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I CONSTANTLY hit the character limit on my bios. I don't tell a life story, but I usually explain their origin, how their powers work, why they're in Paragon City/Rogue Isles, and what their ultimate goal is. I'd prefer if they doubled it, to like 2048 characters. And me personally, I love reading a good bio. If it's good, the length really shouldn't matter that much to you.


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If you don't like reading long bios, or won't read a bio that scrolls. Then don't.

Let us enjoy our longer bios. People do appreciate longer ones as well as not.

Perhaps the Bio doesn't need extending, but let's have a "Backstory" Tab in the bio between Bio and Badges.

If you don't want to look in that tab, it'll never offend your TL;DR senses. For those of use that like to write and read longer pieces, we can look there.


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For whom is the bio?
For whom the bio /tells



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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow View Post
Check. OK, now how do I attach this to my character so I can access it from inside the game without having to remember where on which of my hard drives I put it?
If it is only for you and not for others to read, why would it need to be in the game at all?

I also have bios for my characters that I don't care if anyone reads - so I don't bother typing them out and they stay in my head.

What do you gain by typing out a bio and linking it to a character inside the game, if it is NOT there so others can read it?


 

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I used to want more space for the bio myself. But then I realized that such would increase the temptation of turning what should just be a quick and concise overview of the character (with little hints of personal background they may reveal) into an extensive life story. It reminded me of my old days on various RP oriented MU*s. I would do a look at a character, and instead of just a quick description of what they looked like, I would get pages of info that no one would ever really know unless they asked.

Now, I find I enjoy the challenge of whipping up something useful and informative in a very limited space. I imagine heroes and villains all having their own little PDA type thingie to access their city's databases to look up information on others. With some of my characters, there will be some history explaining why he or she is doing what they do or how they got their powers. Others may just have decided to put a song or poem quote in their database entry. While yet others may have decided to withhold any info for the time being...

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Originally Posted by MrNotorion View Post
I try to exercise as much creativity with every bio I write - but hitting the limit only tells me I'm being too long-winded and need to re-write it, tighten it up, make it BETTER - not just longer.
That's good composition in a nutshell.

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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow View Post
At the end of the day, it's all fan fiction that no-one cares about.
On the contrary, character bios can make a first impression even before actual player interaction. While customized costumes may be a more obvious form of display, the written word has a central role in this genre of gaming. MMOs that offer them are far more likely to bring together like-minded players, fostering better communities overall, than those that do not.

It's a shame that the devs haven't seen fit to point out the existence of character bios to new players in the tutorial. Perhaps they could revisit it.


 

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Originally Posted by TrueGentleman View Post
Also, breaking up bios into multiple paragraphs helps avoid the Wall of Text Effect.
It also massively bloats the size, resulting in exponentially less that can be written in the first place. Extra spaces and line breaks take up considerably more room than normal characters.

Honestly, if that one fact were fixed, I wouldn't have too many gripes with the current allotted amount.

And as for who reads bios? Me. Waiting for a TF or trial to form up? Let's see what the team/leaguemates have to say about themselves. Standing around at Wentworth's waiting for that last salvage build to fill? That's a cool costume over there, let's see if there's a cool background to go with it. Just happen to be traveling across the zone to my mission? Oh, there's another character. What's his story?