Fire/Fire DPS chain


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Hi guys, what's the top DPS chain used by Fire/Fire Doms?


 

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Incinerate-blaze-blast.

But I dunno the recharge requirements.

Unless it's possible to seemlessly chain blaze-blast. Not sure if that is possible though.


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mine can almost chain blast-blaze. At %210 or so recharge there's a short gap before blaze goes off again. If I get a speed boost or something it works.


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Incin>blaze>fb is the top dps chain.

Blaze>FB>blaze is not possible and even if it was it would mean that incin>blaze>incin (which would be better dps) would be possible (which it is not) because blaze and incinerate have the same recharge requirements.


 

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Assuming you can get enough recharge to pull it off, Blaze > Char > FB is slightly better. You'll have to slot Char for damage of course.


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Assuming you can get enough recharge to pull it off, Blaze > Char > FB is slightly better. You'll have to slot Char for damage of course.
That's close to what I run. I don't have the recharge to run it fully ... I run Blaze > Char > FB (0.4 sec pause). Slotted Char with 5 Unbreakable Constraint + Apoc Damage + Musculature. Getting the extra purple proc into the ranged chain is nice.


 

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Yeah, to run the chain seamlessly you'll most likely have to go Spiritual Alpha since Blaze needs to recharge in 2.7 seconds.

I was just messing around with a build in mids. If I was going for maximum damage I'd probably slot Char for damage with the purple hold proc, Apocs in Blaze and Decimations in FB with BU proc and Glad Jav proc.


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Originally Posted by Fiery-Enforcer View Post
Yeah, to run the chain seamlessly you'll most likely have to go Spiritual Alpha since Blaze needs to recharge in 2.7 seconds.

I was just messing around with a build in mids. If I was going for maximum damage I'd probably slot Char for damage with the purple hold proc, Apocs in Blaze and Decimations in FB with BU proc and Glad Jav proc.
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Originally Posted by Fiery-Enforcer View Post
Yeah, to run the chain seamlessly you'll most likely have to go Spiritual Alpha since Blaze needs to recharge in 2.7 seconds.

I was just messing around with a build in mids. If I was going for maximum damage I'd probably slot Char for damage with the purple hold proc, Apocs in Blaze and Decimations in FB with BU proc and Glad Jav proc.
I find it hard to believe that Char is dealing more damage than incinerate with hecatomb. Is it that much faster or something?


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It's .52 seconds faster, yielding more DPS. You get to use Blaze again that much faster each chain.


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Assuming you can get enough recharge to pull it off, Blaze > Char > FB is slightly better. You'll have to slot Char for damage of course.
Interesting.


 

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It's .52 seconds faster, yielding more DPS. You get to use Blaze again that much faster each chain.
Base dps says Blaze>FB>Incin is a bit better than Blaze>FB>Char (about 4 dps difference). Must be something to do with your slotting? I would say the latter chain does have the advantage of being all ranged and possibly mezzing the opponent.


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As per mids, Blaze > Incinerate > FB is about 103 base DPS. Blaze > Char > FB is about 104 base DPS.


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As per mids, Blaze > Incinerate > FB is about 96 base DPS. Blaze > Char > FB is about 104 base DPS.
Hmm, mids is showing me ~90 dps for the chain with incin, and ~85 for the char chain. Not sure where this discrepancy is coming from.


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Hmm, mids is showing me ~90 dps for the chain with incin, and ~85 for the char chain. Not sure where this discrepancy is coming from.
My wild guess would be one person has Arcana time turned on and the other does not. Seems to be the simplest answer for two posters that both normally have really spot on numbers to have figures that disagree.


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Base dps says Blaze>FB>Incin is a bit better than Blaze>FB>Char (about 4 dps difference). Must be something to do with your slotting? I would say the latter chain does have the advantage of being all ranged and possibly mezzing the opponent.
Interesting. Still, if you toss Reactive's DoT into the mix, Char ought to surpass Incinerate in DPA. Actually, never mind; just looked up the numbers and that doesn't seem to be true. Incinerate does more damage than I thought.


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My wild guess would be one person has Arcana time turned on and the other does not. Seems to be the simplest answer for two posters that both normally have really spot on numbers to have figures that disagree.
Ya I turned arcanatime off to see if that gave me fiery's numbers but it still didn't; also checked with reactive turned on. I have no idea


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Yeah, sorry I guess I remembered wrong. Didn't realize I had PvP numbers toggled on when I calculated it, so I falsely confirmed myself.


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Yeah, sorry I guess I remembered wrong. Didn't realize I had PvP numbers toggled on when I calculated it, so I falsely confirmed myself.
That pvp button is really annoying; I won't realize it's even on until I look at my totals and think "Where did all this resistance come from?"


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Still, we're looking at blaze-char-blast as less than 4 hp/s off of incinerate, but it's all range, can mezz, and takes less expensive sets than hecatomb but still gets a purple damage proc. That's really solid. I like that.

Thanks!


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Still, we're looking at blaze-char-blast as less than 4 hp/s off of incinerate, but it's all range, can mezz, and takes less expensive sets than hecatomb but still gets a purple damage proc. That's really solid. I like that.

Thanks!
Yeah, that is impressive. It's probably worth re-emphasizing that Blaze-Char-Blast requires an obscene amount of recharge to run seamlessly, though. Blaze needs to recharge in 2.772 seconds, which corresponds to ~433% recharge in the power.

Even with Spiritual Alpha, Hasten, and 100% in enhancement slotting, that's a minimum of about +131% in global recharge bonuses from IOs. Personally, I run Blaze-Dominate-Blast on my Mind/Fire, which is virtually identical to the Char variant we've been discussing, and I'm a big fan. Even with a small gap in the chain, it's well worth running. As Gavin notes above, the Char chain has a lot of practical perks.

But Incinerate has a much better DPA than Char. The only reason the Char chain is so competitive is that it theoretically allows you to use Blaze more often, not because Char itself is that good. TL;DR: At more reasonable levels of (perma-Dom) global recharge, the Char chain looks like it's going to be closer to 30 DPS worse* than the Incinerate chain (rather than the 4 DPS quoted above). The main perk of the Incinerate chain is that it's much easier to run seamlessly.

(* - An estimate based on the assumption that you'll have a 0.55 second gap in the Char chain, which corresponds to 360ish% recharge in the power.)


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