First Ward question (SPOILERS)
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Posted on: 2011-11-02 04:45 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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I don't recall any part of their background saying that they punish those who defy the Well of the Furies, or that they even work for the Well. I was looking for that little bit specifically the whole time I was running First Ward.
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Originally Posted by StrykerX
I finally got around to playing through First Ward (first time since it came out I was on a character the right level range) and I really liked it but I have one question. Why would the Furies, who punish oathbreakers but more specifically those who defy the Well of the Furies, be after Cole when he's the Well's champion?
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I'm pretty sure this is correct. The First Ward Furies are derived from Greco-Roman mythology. The 'Well of Furies' is used broadly to refer to something that probably has no 'real' name. The literal Well of Furies was just the particular access point used by SM and LR to tap into the underlying power.|
Originally Posted by TheDeepBlue
I don't recall any part of their background saying that they punish those who defy the Well of the Furies, or that they even work for the Well. I was looking for that little bit specifically the whole time I was running First Ward.
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PS Twice while typing this I misspelled 'furies' as 'furries,' which would be a rather less dangerous enemy group.
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The Furies punish oathbreakers.
Cole made an oath to Hamidon.
You can kinda see where that's going.
I think the Furies are empowered by the Well, but not specifically acting on its behalf. Kind of the way that player characters are empowered by the Well but are acting against its champion.
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I loved the story content from First Ward. I just really hope that Sorceress Serene isn't really dead, because she is probably my favorite new 'villain'. Plus, the ice aura on one hand and the fire aura on the other is pretty awesome. Also makes me want to have a murder of crows teleport customization once we get that. :P
If the books that came out are canonical at all, on Primal Earth, the Furies were allies of Marcus Cole and came back to Paragon City with him after he got his powers. Maybe in Praetorian Earth, he did something to betray them back then and they're pissed? And yeah, I know, I doubt the books are a reliable source, just something to think about.
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You've got it backwards: as I understand it, the nature of Incarnates and in fact the contemporary era of super powered beings as presented in the first book was superior to what had already been planned, and the ingame canon was changed accordingly. Note that at that time, however, that no one had decided that the Well (or whatever exists inside of it, as the case may be) was sentient.
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Originally Posted by Shadowblaze
If the books that came out are canonical at all, on Primal Earth, the Furies were allies of Marcus Cole and came back to Paragon City with him after he got his powers. Maybe in Praetorian Earth, he did something to betray them back then and they're pissed? And yeah, I know, I doubt the books are a reliable source, just something to think about.
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PS Twice while typing this I misspelled 'furies' as 'furries,' which would be a rather less dangerous enemy group.
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Actually, it did have some intelligence in the book, but it was different from a 'human' kind of intelligence. I remember when they got bathed in the light from the box, they could 'feel' its thoughts, saying it was there to gather some kind of energy, that it didn't know who created it, and that someone had opened it before and assumed someone would open it again later. I still have the book handy, I could go check what the exact wording was. :P But yeah, it wasn't malicious like it is in the game. Unless the 'Well' in the game is the entity that created the box in the books.
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Originally Posted by TheDeepBlue
You've got it backwards: as I understand it, the nature of Incarnates and in fact the contemporary era of super powered beings as presented in the first book was superior to what had already been planned, and the ingame canon was changed accordingly. Note that at that time, however, that no one had decided that the Well (or whatever exists inside of it, as the case may be) was sentient.
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Talk to Prometheus and ask him about the Well and the Furies. He'll explain the somewhat complicated relationship that the Well and the Furies. He also says that the Furies considered Cole murdering Praetorian Stefan Richter a trangression most vile to them and thats why the Talons are after him. He also explains how the Well changes over the time its "asleep" and the Furies are unchanging in their beliefs. Also while the Furies considered Richter's murder a transgression, the Well didnt care about it when it chose Cole as its champion
In the CoH novel, the Furies seemed to be the only Incarnates left over from the Ancient Greek period. They were sort of guardians of the Well, and certainly not the Well's minions.
At one point in the novel, they start getting worked up over Stephan Richter's transgressions and start powering up like a Dragonball Z character. But Marcus calms them down and asks them to leave Richter to him. But you can tell that if they progressed to their full Well-powered vengeful rage, they would've torn Recluse apart.
WRT to the Praetorian Furies: Cole killed his best friend and broke trust with the people he was supposed to protect (especially what he did to the denizens of First Ward). The Furies want him dead dead.
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Ah, that makes sense. Thanks... so Cole betrayed Richter and earned the Furies' wrath but the Well itself loves him because he's the most power-hungry Incarnate in the multiverse. |
Originally Posted by ShadowClipse
Talk to Prometheus and ask him about the Well and the Furies. He'll explain the somewhat complicated relationship that the Well and the Furies. He also says that the Furies considered Cole murdering Praetorian Stefan Richter a trangression most vile to them and thats why the Talons are after him. He also explains how the Well changes over the time its "asleep" and the Furies are unchanging in their beliefs. Also while the Furies considered Richter's murder a transgression, the Well didnt care about it when it chose Cole as its champion
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That... may not be an incorrect statement. Even in the books, the Furies came to Paragon to see what he did with the power. There was only the intimation of friendship, not the promise, that drove them. I remember when I read it I got the impression they would have turned on him in a second if they felt he was abusing or mistreating the power.
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Originally Posted by StrykerX
Ah, that makes sense. Thanks... so Cole betrayed Richter and earned the Furies' wrath but the Well itself loves him because he's the most power-hungry Incarnate in the multiverse.
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So, I'm a bit curious.
All the in-game references say *one* Well of the Furies. Is it a sort of multi-dimensional thing like, every dimension is linked to the SAME well, or are there actually different Wells, so Statesman and Recluse (and our heroes & villains) are powered by the Primal Well, while Emperor Cole is the Chosen of the Praetorian Well?
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I'm pretty sure they are all aspects of the same Well. The end of Mender Ramiel's arc seems to confirm this.
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Originally Posted by Agent White
So, I'm a bit curious.
All the in-game references say *one* Well of the Furies. Is it a sort of multi-dimensional thing like, every dimension is linked to the SAME well, or are there actually different Wells, so Statesman and Recluse (and our heroes & villains) are powered by the Primal Well, while Emperor Cole is the Chosen of the Praetorian Well? |
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It's said they're all from the same source. The Well of the Furies is the thing from which all the Marcus Coles (and Primal Stefan Richter) drank. HOWEVER. It is but one aspect of "the thing that runs/created/is the Well". The Well of the Furies is not necessarily a well, it just happened to be that a well when Marcus/Stefan were there.
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In the heros epic arc we learn that Cole is able to use the power of the well to bind and trap incarnates to the point that they are helpless.
He was able to not only control the well, but turn it into a physical form to hold Statesman in place in the caves. So we to assume that the Well does indeed have the ability to transform its power into physical forms too? Not just objects that would unlock the power?
[Also just want to say i did love that arc about the heros epic! Loved the clockwork statesman!]
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Yeah, my memory doesn't work so well sometimes; you ask Prometheus about the Well after completing Keyes and he does say that the Furies act on the Well's behalf while it's snoozing.
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Originally Posted by ShadowClipse
Talk to Prometheus and ask him about the Well and the Furies. He'll explain the somewhat complicated relationship that the Well and the Furies. He also says that the Furies considered Cole murdering Praetorian Stefan Richter a trangression most vile to them and thats why the Talons are after him. He also explains how the Well changes over the time its "asleep" and the Furies are unchanging in their beliefs. Also while the Furies considered Richter's murder a transgression, the Well didnt care about it when it chose Cole as its champion
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I finally got around to playing through First Ward (first time since it came out I was on a character the right level range) and I really liked it but I have one question. Why would the Furies, who punish oathbreakers but more specifically those who defy the Well of the Furies, be after Cole when he's the Well's champion? Isn't the whole reason Cole and his minions have their new Phenomenal Cosmic Powers that the Well considers Cole to be the ideal Incarnate? So why in the world would the Well's hit squad be trashing First Ward as part of a plan to ultimately get to Cole?
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