whats the best archtype for healer

Pyro_Master_NA · 10-29-2011 10:53 AM

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Oh I'd say if the Blaster was attacking, moving and otherwise acting remotely like he wanted to live and had anywhere near capped resists I'd be able to keep the Blaster alive with just healing (and assuming the aggro stayed on the Blaster). Of course, let me use my buffs and it reaches certainty if they still have the resistance. And it's probably near a certainty even if our Blaster doesn't have anything other than my buffs, of course, as the likelyhood of two simultaneously synched hits on an active Emp BUFFED Blaster (30% defense and 1000% regen from AB alone to 2000% for about 90 of every 120 seconds) who is only worrying about 2 foes is, about as likely as a some proverbial pigs or snowballs. Which, of course, is the whole point ... no resistance, no other buffs and I will have trouble even if it is doable. With buffs and it becomes more a question of how fast the blaster destroys the two bosses rather than IF he lives.

You seem to be defending (no pun intended) empathy here. The debate at hand originated from a post by EvilRyu, in which he stated healing was the best form of defeat prevention. No one here is saying empathy can't or shouldn't buff. I agree that an empath can keep a squishy alive through a lot more than just 2 rikti bosses, but Ryu was suggesting that healing alone would do the trick, and that is where the debate began.

Madadh · 10-29-2011 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyro_Master_NA

You seem to be defending (no pun intended) empathy here. The debate at hand originated from a post by EvilRyu, in which he stated healing was the best form of defeat prevention. No one here is saying empathy can't or shouldn't buff. I agree that an empath can keep a squishy alive through a lot more than just 2 rikti bosses, but Ryu was suggesting that healing alone would do the trick, and that is where the debate began.

Ah. If the carefully constructed thought experiment scenario was one designed to either prove, or disprove healing as best form defeat prevention then....

1) I don't think the scenario is the best for proving or disproving this.

2) I totally can't be bothered to come up with a better one, though, as I think it's just madness and folly to even debate this one. I think almost everyone knows buffs are more effective, and by a fairly wide margin.

3) If I was going to come up way to prove this, it would be to forgo any 'scenario' and figure what's the max healing/time period possible by the best healing sets in the game. Then figure out of a what the max incoming damage is likely to be. And then compare the healing to proactive mitigation and what sorts of numbers proactive prevention might add up to. But that sounds like too much math for me..

Pyro_Master_NA · 10-29-2011 12:48 PM

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Ah. If the carefully constructed thought experiment scenario was one designed to either prove, or disprove healing as best form defeat prevention then....

1) I don't think the scenario is the best for proving or disproving this.

2) I totally can't be bothered to come up with a better one, though, as I think it's just madness and folly to even debate this one. I think almost everyone knows buffs are more effective, and by a fairly wide margin.

3) If I was going to come up way to prove this, it would be to forgo any 'scenario' and figure what's the max healing/time period possible by the best healing sets in the game. Then figure out of a what the max incoming damage is likely to be. And then compare the healing to proactive mitigation and what sorts of numbers proactive prevention might add up to. But that sounds like too much math for me..

Not sure where the 2 rikti boss scenario was first mentioned, I'll read back in a bit and check. But either way, it's like you said, buffing is known to be far more useful than straight healing.

Dispari · 10-29-2011 05:59 PM

Why are you people acting like heals and buffs are mutually exclusive? Why would you ever want to have just one or the other? It's like arguing over whether it's better to have lungs or a heart.

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Madadh · 10-29-2011 06:18 PM

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Why are you people acting like heals and buffs are mutually exclusive? Why would you ever want to have just one or the other? It's like arguing over whether it's better to have lungs or a heart.

It's called a thought experiment. It's purely hypothetical. Someone stated that x is better than y. If we constructed a scenario where we compared x to x+y it wouldn't be a very fair comparison. I don't think at any time anyone stated that in the actual game environment that they'd prefer to have only one or the other over having both. But, if I was forced to choose, I do know which one I would choose. Of course, if I was forced to choose by an emp player in the game ("Hey all, should I get build one that has all the heals, but none of the buffs, or build 2, with all the buffs, but none of the heals?"), I'd seriously question his build skills, and chances are good, unless he was just running some sort of isolated experiment, he wouldn't be first on my call list for a Mo Run.

Draeth Darkstar · 10-29-2011 06:26 PM

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Why are you people acting like heals and buffs are mutually exclusive? Why would you ever want to have just one or the other? It's like arguing over whether it's better to have lungs or a heart.

I'd say it's more like arguing over whether it's better to have only one kidney or no gall bladder.

One is much more threatening to your long-term survival rate while the other mostly just affects your dietary choices, making it more of an inconvenience than a problem.

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Agent White · 10-29-2011 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dispari

Why are you people acting like heals and buffs are mutually exclusive? Why would you ever want to have just one or the other? It's like arguing over whether it's better to have lungs or a heart.

I know right? Heart totally wins. You never saw Captain Planet getting summoned by 'lungs!' (no Wind doesn't count).

Reiraku · 10-29-2011 10:12 PM

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Doomguide · 10-30-2011 03:18 AM

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You seem to be defending (no pun intended) empathy here. The debate at hand originated from a post by EvilRyu, in which he stated healing was the best form of defeat prevention. No one here is saying empathy can't or shouldn't buff. I agree that an empath can keep a squishy alive through a lot more than just 2 rikti bosses, but Ryu was suggesting that healing alone would do the trick, and that is where the debate began.

Perhaps I stated it poorly. The last line of my post in particular I was trying to say more or less just that ... that buffs alone outweighed healing alone (and by a safe margin). What might be tough but possible with heals alone would be much easier with buffs alone.

It's also a fairly artificial set of conditions (as Madadh points out). No well played Empath is going to do one or the other. They will be 1) healing as needed, 2) buffing AND 3) attacking. And of those 3 things I think, outside of Evil Ryu, it's fairly obvious to most in this thread which is going to have the most work cut out for itself keeping a teammate upright.

Johnstone · 10-30-2011 10:12 AM

I think Tudor or Lancet would be the archtype you want.

As for the archetype you want, it's already been covered by people who aren't jerks about spelling mistakes.

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