I was doing it with around ~168% (with hasten up, so 98%+hasten), and while it usually barely got around the horn, it didn't feel quite like enough. I am now running +115% + Hasten, and it feels much better.
Technically +135% would be the bare minimum. (300/3.35 = 89.xx); and that assumes you "overload" the recharge in the power to get to 100%; otherwise it would be +140%.
But the more of that that comes from Hasten, of course, the more you have to pad because Hasten will be down. (Until you hit perma-hasten, of course)
Anyhow. I think somewhere in the +105%+Hasten would be comfortable. If you really want to do it without Hasten running, then you should probably aim for +145%ish.
With Hasten and Lightform both at their ED-capped recharge limits, I got Lightform perma with around 82% extra global recharge. That just barely covers it though - the Icon is blinking when it finally comes available again. If any foes hit you with Slows or you forget to hit Hasten soon as it recharges, you will have some no Lightform exposure time. I'm looking to get a bit more global recharge to make the overlap a little longer.
My first build combined IO set recharge bonus plus dual slotted hasten plus the T4 Spirutual Core paragon. Permlightform and permhasten, unforunately I noted a couple of minor drawbacks:
1. All that recharge great offset stamina recovery during intense battles also due to having weave, maneuvers and stealth running to reach the S/L def cap.
2. Lightform was reactivating well before previous activation would crash, so let's say you have it "stacked" 3 times and you see that two are going to wear off either at the same time or back to back....you will receive the crash from both, and that could be bad.
So we'll call the above, Permalightform One.
Currently I'm running permhasten, a tweaked build and CARDIAC is back in place for my alpha. Permalightform and hasten misses being perma by 5 seconds, however as long as it is retoggled, lightform remains perm and has less overlap crash problems. S/L defense cap is maintained and stamina is neutralized. This would be an Ascended Permalightform, or Permalightform 2.
Still working on Permalightform 3 (no hasten), but defense cap will be lost and I don't like that idea very much.
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The minimum recharge of Light Form is still 60 seconds, meaning at the absolute recharge cap you could only double stack it (for 30seconds). You're not going to have a double crash. Even if somehow you managed to do it, it would still leave you with capped resist and 50% hitpoints. HP crashes aren't simply a penalty, they're a reset. Crash 1 will reset you to 50% HP, then Crash 2 would do exactly the same. Sure you'd be left with no/very little End but that's nothing popping a blue or two couldn't fix.
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Originally Posted by Nericus
2. Lightform was reactivating well before previous activation would crash, so let's say you have it "stacked" 3 times and you see that two are going to wear off either at the same time or back to back....you will receive the crash from both, and that could be bad.
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so if you get it perma and activate a second lf while the first one is active it will do a double crash?
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Originally Posted by Nericus
My first build combined IO set recharge bonus plus dual slotted hasten plus the T4 Spirutual Core paragon. Permlightform and permhasten, unforunately I noted a couple of minor drawbacks:
1. All that recharge great offset stamina recovery during intense battles also due to having weave, maneuvers and stealth running to reach the S/L def cap. 2. Lightform was reactivating well before previous activation would crash, so let's say you have it "stacked" 3 times and you see that two are going to wear off either at the same time or back to back....you will receive the crash from both, and that could be bad. So we'll call the above, Permalightform One. Currently I'm running permhasten, a tweaked build and CARDIAC is back in place for my alpha. Permalightform and hasten misses being perma by 5 seconds, however as long as it is retoggled, lightform remains perm and has less overlap crash problems. S/L defense cap is maintained and stamina is neutralized. This would be an Ascended Permalightform, or Permalightform 2. Still working on Permalightform 3 (no hasten), but defense cap will be lost and I don't like that idea very much. |
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What Oathbound said. Outside of using burnout, you can't get them close enough together to have a double crash, and even if you could you'd still be at 50% health.
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Trust me, I was experiencing the double crash, while health didn't bottom out, stamina was an issue and yes poppin a blue or two and reactivating defenses was done, but if it can be eliminated as a weakness then so much the better.
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Originally Posted by Oathbound
The minimum recharge of Light Form is still 60 seconds, meaning at the absolute recharge cap you could only double stack it (for 30seconds). You're not going to have a double crash. Even if somehow you managed to do it, it would still leave you with capped resist and 50% hitpoints. HP crashes aren't simply a penalty, they're a reset. Crash 1 will reset you to 50% HP, then Crash 2 would do exactly the same. Sure you'd be left with no/very little End but that's nothing popping a blue or two couldn't fix.
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What Oathbound said. Outside of using burnout, you can't get them close enough together to have a double crash, and even if you could you'd still be at 50% health.
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Yes with the crashes I was still at rez cap to all but psi.
Were you using burnout? Hasten, I assume?
It's entirely possibly for both Hasten and Light Form to crash at the same time, but without Burnout shenanigans it's not possible for light form to crash twice at once. If you're getting a double crash from Lightform without using Burnout then that's a bug, not a weakness.
Note that using Burnout makes the end crash on Lightform worse (indirectly), because Burnout has a -MaxEnd penalty so that 50% end crash is a whole lot more of your overall endurance going *poof* all the sudden.
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This sounds super awesome. Would you be willing to post the Permalightform 2 build?
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Originally Posted by Nericus
My first build combined IO set recharge bonus plus dual slotted hasten plus the T4 Spirutual Core paragon. Permlightform and permhasten, unforunately I noted a couple of minor drawbacks:
1. All that recharge great offset stamina recovery during intense battles also due to having weave, maneuvers and stealth running to reach the S/L def cap. 2. Lightform was reactivating well before previous activation would crash, so let's say you have it "stacked" 3 times and you see that two are going to wear off either at the same time or back to back....you will receive the crash from both, and that could be bad. So we'll call the above, Permalightform One. Currently I'm running permhasten, a tweaked build and CARDIAC is back in place for my alpha. Permalightform and hasten misses being perma by 5 seconds, however as long as it is retoggled, lightform remains perm and has less overlap crash problems. S/L defense cap is maintained and stamina is neutralized. This would be an Ascended Permalightform, or Permalightform 2. Still working on Permalightform 3 (no hasten), but defense cap will be lost and I don't like that idea very much. |
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Quick one, really; has anyone done the math to work out how much -rech you need to shoot for?
My current projections have a need of around 125% to get perma-light form without Hasten. That's familiar to me, being around what you need to get permadom, without hasten. Anyone know if the threshold for permalight with hasten is around the same 70% that permadom was?