News of Plot and Cast of Justice League: Doom
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Posted on: 2011-09-26 16:44 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
Although it's full of Timmverse alumni, it doesn't look like this is in the Timmverse continuity. (Hal as GL, for one, J'onn's costume for another).
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Wow, cannot wait to see this. That is one of my favorite JL story lines.
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Judging by the costumes and Hal as GL this is more likely a sequel to Crisis of Two Earths which wasn't quite the same timeline as JLU but very similar.
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Originally Posted by GATE-keeper
Although it's full of Timmverse alumni, it doesn't look like this is in the Timmverse continuity. (Hal as GL, for one, J'onn's costume for another).
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Sounds neat, but it'll probably end up being too short like the rest of the animated movies. I wish they'd just make these into live action movies, but they must love watching Marvel have their way and they must hate making money.
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Look how hard it is just to get a Superman movie in the same decade. If they did try to make a giant team movie right out of the gate it would be horrible.
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Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
Sounds neat, but it'll probably end up being too short like the rest of the animated movies. I wish they'd just make these into live action movies, but they must love watching Marvel have their way and they must hate making money.
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Last I read DC is pretty much going to copy Marvel's movie formula. Batman movies get rebooted after the next Dark Knight movie and they will interlink it with other movies to lead up to Justice League. |
Originally Posted by That_Ninja
Look how hard it is just to get a Superman movie in the same decade. If they did try to make a giant team movie right out of the gate it would be horrible.
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However given how unwell Superman Returns was and how Green Lantern wasn't too well received (i blame Ryan Reynolds), and how tough it is to get anyone to play Superman (plus all the superman lawsuits with the creator estate), I really don't see DC pulling it off as well as Marvel has done. Also Wonder Woman has been a project difficult to get off the ground as well.
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There's just this sense that they're making it more difficult than it needs to be. They've got just as much good source material to draw from and even more iconic characters than Marvel, yet they fumble a stand-alone movie (Green Lantern). I don't know whether it's that they're just not involving the right people to get things done or WB is being too heavy handed with the translations to film, but it's really not as difficult to put out quality movies about these characters as they're making it.
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Originally Posted by That_Ninja
Look how hard it is just to get a Superman movie in the same decade. If they did try to make a giant team movie right out of the gate it would be horrible.
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- CaptainFoamerang
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To be honest I don't think it is the right people in charge. Remember the initial reaction when Sam Rami was announced to helm the Spiderman movies? I think understandably skeptic was a good description, but turns out Sam is a major fan of Spidey that understands and respects the character, and history but also understands that somethings that work in the comics don't work as well on the big screen. Sam also gets the right cast for Peter and MJ and they all worked well together and made a successful trilogy. Spiderman 3's problems were that Marvel was insisting that Venom be in it despite that not being part of the plan, and of course dancing Peter. (then again in keeping with the rating of the movie they couldn't have Peter get too violent when he wore the symbiote).|
Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
There's just this sense that they're making it more difficult than it needs to be. They've got just as much good source material to draw from and even more iconic characters than Marvel, yet they fumble a stand-alone movie (Green Lantern). I don't know whether it's that they're just not involving the right people to get things done or WB is being too heavy handed with the translations to film, but it's really not as difficult to put out quality movies about these characters as they're making it.
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Look back at the assorted Bat-films. Tim Burton had a good grasp of the characters, then comes Joel Schumaker for Batman Forever and Batman and Robin.....bad choice of director, too many characters, weak plots.....Then years later we get Batman Begins and Dark Knight, both very well done.
Superman Returns: the "spiritual successor" I believe it was referred to regarding the first two films and ignores 3 and 4, but the plot was basically the same as #1, while making Superman into a stalker regarding Lois and the "super kid" just didn't work. Lois is still under the effect of the "Jedi mind kiss" from Superman 2, knows that Superman is the father but still can't "Connect the dots" regarding figuring out that Clark is Superman?? Yuck. Plus of course the long quest to find someone that can replace Chistopher Reeve in the role...
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I thought it was Sony who wanted Venom, not Marvel.
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Originally Posted by Nericus
To be honest I don't think it is the right people in charge. Remember the initial reaction when Sam Rami was announced to helm the Spiderman movies? I think understandably skeptic was a good description, but turns out Sam is a major fan of Spidey that understands and respects the character, and history but also understands that somethings that work in the comics don't work as well on the big screen. Sam also gets the right cast for Peter and MJ and they all worked well together and made a successful trilogy. Spiderman 3's problems were that Marvel was insisting that Venom be in it despite that not being part of the plan, and of course dancing Peter. (then again in keeping with the rating of the movie they couldn't have Peter get too violent when he wore the symbiote).
Look back at the assorted Bat-films. Tim Burton had a good grasp of the characters, then comes Joel Schumaker for Batman Forever and Batman and Robin.....bad choice of director, too many characters, weak plots.....Then years later we get Batman Begins and Dark Knight, both very well done. Superman Returns: the "spiritual successor" I believe it was referred to regarding the first two films and ignores 3 and 4, but the plot was basically the same as #1, while making Superman into a stalker regarding Lois and the "super kid" just didn't work. Lois is still under the effect of the "Jedi mind kiss" from Superman 2, knows that Superman is the father but still can't "Connect the dots" regarding figuring out that Clark is Superman?? Yuck. Plus of course the long quest to find someone that can replace Chistopher Reeve in the role... |
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Batman has to commit the perceived weakness of the Justice League to a computer file?
He can't remember: Kryptonite, yellow, fire, men, AoE?
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It gets a little more complicated than that. |
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Batman has to commit the perceived weakness of the Justice League to a computer file?
He can't remember: Kryptonite, yellow, fire, men, AoE? |
[Spoilers for 11-year old comic story follow]
He has special tactics for fighting them. Most of those solutions you mention are quick-fixes and easily stopped. Batman's plans are much more vicious. For example:
Specially made Red Kryptonite that turns Superman's skin transparent. This causes his cells to absorb much more yellow sunlight and burn him from the inside out in every cell of his body.
Green Lantern goes blind. At this point, Kyle was the only GL and, as an artist, he couldn't make his ring go without being able to physically visualize it.
Wonder Woman has a super-heart attack, using her strength against her.
The Flash is given a lightspeed seizure, unable to control himself.
J'onn J'onnz is infected with nanoparticles that ignite on contact with air.
Aquaman is given hydrophobia, cripplingly afraid of the element he needs to survive.
Plastic Man is flash-frozen and shattered into bits.
And Batman's parents are stolen from their graves, then given the opportunity to be brought back by Ra's al Ghul's Lazarus Pit, tempting Batman.
Of course, with teamwork, they come back from this- but it takes them much longer because of the crippling nature of the attacks. So Green Lantern can't touch your yellow machine, he can pick stuff up and smash it with that. If he can't use his ring at all he's much more ineffective.
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Eh, probably was Sony. Doesn't matter as Venom was forced in.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
I thought it was Sony who wanted Venom, not Marvel.
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Personally, if I were doing interconnected DC movies, I'd go with the JSA versions of the characters, set it during the run-up to WW2 and call the overall series "Golden Age." This would give an excuse for a slightly lower power level for, say, Superman and allow for better action scenes.
The background villain, who wouldn't fully show up until the team movie ("Justice Society of America: Golden Age"), would be either Vandal Savage or Per Degaton. I'd have him in the background of the individual movies as the plotter behind the scenes of the action and then take center stage in the end.
I'd do individual movies for Superman, Batman, Flash, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, Hawkman and either Dr. Fate or Spectre for a mystic-hero movie.
So, it would be something like:
Superman: Golden Age
Wonder Woman: Golden Age
Batman: Golden Age
The Flash: Golden Age
etcetera, etcetera.
This, I think, would have the potential for movies that would be a lot more enjoyable than a series with the modern, rather overpowered versions of the characters. A back-to-basics approach. I would definitely avoid the grimdark way of doing things for this. Bright colors for everything except Gotham City, Art Deco architectural stylings except for the Greek buildings of Paradise Island, so forth and so on. A very vibrant feel is what I'd want them to have.
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Originally Posted by Niklarus
Personally, if I were doing interconnected DC movies, I'd go with the JSA versions of the characters, set it during the run-up to WW2 and call the overall series "Golden Age." This would give an excuse for a slightly lower power level for, say, Superman and allow for better action scenes.
The background villain, who wouldn't fully show up until the team movie ("Justice Society of America: Golden Age"), would be either Vandal Savage or Per Degaton. I'd have him in the background of the individual movies as the plotter behind the scenes of the action and then take center stage in the end. I'd do individual movies for Superman, Batman, Flash, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, Hawkman and either Dr. Fate or Spectre for a mystic-hero movie. So, it would be something like: Superman: Golden Age Wonder Woman: Golden Age Batman: Golden Age The Flash: Golden Age etcetera, etcetera. This, I think, would have the potential for movies that would be a lot more enjoyable than a series with the modern, rather overpowered versions of the characters. A back-to-basics approach. I would definitely avoid the grimdark way of doing things for this. Bright colors for everything except Gotham City, Art Deco architectural stylings except for the Greek buildings of Paradise Island, so forth and so on. A very vibrant feel is what I'd want them to have. |
Downside to this is how many fans are aware of all the details of the Golden Age, followed by the Silver Age reboot then DC deciding to keep the Golden Age versions and starting up the "Earth-2" multiverse stuff. People might scratch their heads in confusion at seeing a young superman in WW2 then still young in a modern age movie.
Vandal Savage as the villain would be great.
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True, Venom was forced in, just more of a "put the blame where the blame belongs" |
Originally Posted by Nericus
Eh, probably was Sony. Doesn't matter as Venom was forced in.
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Marvel I think is trying to do everything right in the movies, that they have control of.
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True, Marvel is endeavoring to get things as right as possible. |
Originally Posted by BrandX
True, Venom was forced in, just more of a "put the blame where the blame belongs"
Marvel I think is trying to do everything right in the movies, that they have control of. |
Now if only we can get an animated World War Hulk movie sequel to Planet Hulk...
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I'd stick with a lineup more true to the Golden Age JSA. It's at least got to have Jay Garrick, Wildcat, and Alan Scott. I probably wouldn't include Spectre in case he showed up later in the movie universe since he'd need to be his solitary uber self. However, I'd throw Hourman and Starman in there too at least. |
Originally Posted by Niklarus
Personally, if I were doing interconnected DC movies, I'd go with the JSA versions of the characters, set it during the run-up to WW2 and call the overall series "Golden Age." This would give an excuse for a slightly lower power level for, say, Superman and allow for better action scenes.
The background villain, who wouldn't fully show up until the team movie ("Justice Society of America: Golden Age"), would be either Vandal Savage or Per Degaton. I'd have him in the background of the individual movies as the plotter behind the scenes of the action and then take center stage in the end. I'd do individual movies for Superman, Batman, Flash, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, Hawkman and either Dr. Fate or Spectre for a mystic-hero movie. So, it would be something like: Superman: Golden Age Wonder Woman: Golden Age Batman: Golden Age The Flash: Golden Age etcetera, etcetera. This, I think, would have the potential for movies that would be a lot more enjoyable than a series with the modern, rather overpowered versions of the characters. A back-to-basics approach. I would definitely avoid the grimdark way of doing things for this. Bright colors for everything except Gotham City, Art Deco architectural stylings except for the Greek buildings of Paradise Island, so forth and so on. A very vibrant feel is what I'd want them to have. |
Not sure the studio would go for a standalone movie for any of those guys, so I'd just go straight to the team movie and throw everything into getting it right to generate interest for building on the DC movie universe foundation until the JLA movie gets made.
If an expanded lineup including Sandman, Dr. Mid-Nite, Mister Terrific, Liberty Belle, Hawkman, Atom, and Hawkgirl were involved, I'd go the Golden Age graphic novel route of focusing on a few select members and paint the rest of the characters through the perspective of the heroes in the movie's forefront.
Ideally, there'd be at least one villain that could come back to plague one of the JLAers if not the whole team, such as the aforementioned Vandal Savage or perhaps Ultra-Humanite.
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Ditto.
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Originally Posted by ShoNuff
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I'm surprised they are still making these, because I recall there being a huge multi-site news story breaking that DC's animated features were canceled due to the poor performance of WonderWoman and GL:First Flight.
Glad to see that isn't the case anymore as I am using these as my substitute for DC's Live action adaptions.
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I'm waiting for Bruce Timm to finish his animated version of Batman Year One and Dark Knight Returns.
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Originally Posted by Matthew_Orlock
I'm surprised they are still making these, because I recall there being a huge multi-site news story breaking that DC's animated features were canceled due to the poor performance of WonderWoman and GL:First Flight.
Glad to see that isn't the case anymore as I am using these as my substitute for DC's Live action adaptions. |
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Uh Batman Year One is coming up in a couple weeks dude..
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Originally Posted by Nericus
I'm waiting for Bruce Timm to finish his animated version of Batman Year One and Dark Knight Returns.
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Good to hear, hadn't kept up with the progress or release date. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by ShoNuff
Uh Batman Year One is coming up in a couple weeks dude..
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absolutely digging - can't wait to see the trailer.