A Difficult Challenge

At the end of the villain signature arc, if you wait out the timer, the Freedom Phalanx actually does show up. They're all level 40 AVs, except for Numina who is level 35.

Kill 'em.

I noticed this and their levels. I would love to try it but I don't think it is going to be easy if at all possible.

Alright, perhaps I was a bit presumptuous to assume it could be done, even at level 20. Give me a few minutes here while I do some napkin math. Buffs and debuffs are the only thing that could win the day here, so let's just assume I found all defenders for my team.

According to this page, +20 AVs will have a +40% tohit bonus. To floor the AVs chance to hit against my brute, he would need to have a defense value of 85%. Seven Defenders running Maneuvers is only 36.75%. The one Cold Defender could bring me up to 59.25%. Add in the two Shadow Falls and Arctic Fog for another 22.5% and my own 10% or so, and my brute is softcapped to +20 AVs. Can't forget the AV and level accuracy multipliers, though, which are 1.5 each for a total of 2.25. My total chance to be hit would be 11.25% at a best case scenario. Facing off against that many AVs is still getting hit pretty often.

So they can hit me, but can we hit them? From the same page, I have to assume that our base chance to hit +20s will be less than 8%. That's pretty dismal, but with seven copies of Tactics running, we at least have 87.5% tohit, and that assumes no slotting. I'm not worried about that anymore.

Enough of tohit, let's talk resistance. The two thermal Defenders would buff my S/L resistance by 40% before enhancements. Add in the Arctic Fog and Shadow Falls and that's enough for me to assume I hit the hard cap for resistance to just about everything. According to this page, everything that a +20 does to me would be multiplied by 3.1, so even at max resistance, the hits I take will hurt. That's why I asked for two Thermals. That could be enough healing.

Finally, I need to figure out if we can damage them, and now the real problems show up. According to that last page I linked, everything our team does to the AVs will be multiplied by 0.01. No, that's not a typo. My strongest attack at that level is Slash, which will do just over 200 damage if the team somehow damage caps me. Except now it does just over 2.

Oh, that counts for debuffs too. Seven defenders pumping out Sonic Attack debuffs at -20% resistance a piece would be a total of -420% resistance, past the floor. But against these AVs it's only -4% resistance. Yay, my 2 damage attack now does 2.08 damage. Two Lingering Radiations dropping a would be total of -1600% regen are reduced to -16% and then the AV resistance applies to that, bringing it down even further to -2.4%.

The level 40s would have over twenty thousand hit points. Assuming the team could survive, and assuming that each teammate could sustain a 1 DPS attack chain, and assuming that the AVs did not have any regen for us to not be able to floor, and assuming that none of the AVs used godmode powers or any sort of heals, it would take four and a half hours to defeat them all.

Sorry guys, this one's impossible.




EDIT: Ha. I started typing this only minutes after I made my first post. Between actually working and avoiding my boss, I seem to have taken too long and most of you beat me to this punch.

EDIT AGAIN:

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Originally Posted by Aneko No Mind Control Dominator?

Won't help. The duration would be one hundredth of its normal. Even if you could perma Domination at that level, there's no way the duration would last more than a second.

Going at this from a completely different angle than the ones I've seen so far, my approach to this problem has pretty much abandoned standard tactics and revolved instead around leveraging edge cases: namely, autohit powers, unresistable debuffs, and so on.

Things I would like to know:
- Is the -fly in Snow Storm resisted? And the -range in Taunt?
- Does lava damage scale to level? I think it did 8 per tick on my level 20 and only 6 per tick on my level 13. I will have to experiment.
- Are there any pet summons that con as GMs, that is, use the level-free scaling code?
- Can you perma Phantom Army at level 20 (with powers up to level 24)?
- As far as I can remember, Caltrops, Tornado, and Bonfire are the only autohit damage powers. How much damage can they do at level 20, including with procs?

Well, let's see. If I have mathed right, a level 40 AV regens at a rate of 69.955 HP/sec. At 1% effectiveness, that means it'd take a raw damage output of 6995.5 HP/sec just to counter their regeneration, before factoring in resistances.

Playing fast and dirty with some numbers, assuming 8 rad/ defs as a starting point... Eight LRs, between AV debuff resistance and the level scaling, would be -8% regen, bringing the necessary raw DPS down to total down to 6477.31 DPS.

Eight defs can hit the damage buff cap with perma-AM + 6 people running Assault, so assuming each can manage an average damage output of 1DS/sec, that's 18.451 * 4 * 8 = ~590.45 DPS. Eight LRs will increase that by 2.4%, or 604.62 DPS.

Assuming a phenomenally lucky hit streak and that contributions from lava would be negligible, you'd just have to find some way to improve on that by a factor of 11 or so and you could theoretically take out one of them, assuming no relevant resists!

Probably all 8 would need to be soft-capped vs the AV(s) ... Taunt duration would be effected wouldn't it? Aggro, I imagine, would be essentially uncontrolled.

Sometimes if you type /leaveteam you don't get bumped from the map. Its kinda cheating, but any level 50's want to try that?
Stomp those FP.

Yeah, that might work... good thinking there.

Forget it.

Only one way to win this:

8 controllers with Confuse. Target Numina and she will buff YOU not her team and she could potentially destroy all of them for you.

I don't think Dominators would be able to accomplish it... they'd not enough +recharge to be able to stack enough confuses... But, with 8 controllers, you should be able to get massive amounts of +recharge even with powers only going to 25. Though, even with that many... would you be able to actually confuse Numina?

And with Numina confused, would she actually end up doing enough damage to a +5 Hero to kill them (likely just running around constantly swapping targets)? What about 8 Illusion/Rad Controllers... 8x AM + 8x Phantom Army... Surely that's gotta be worth something (at least in that case, you likely wouldn't have to worry so much about aggro!).

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She may grant one of you Fortitude, then immediately proceed to mind**** the whole team.

I was worried about the duration... at the very least, you could just spam Phantom Army for lulz

We've been saving Paragon City for eight and a half years. It's time to do it one more time.

Hax I say!

HAX!

We've been saving Paragon City for eight and a half years. It's time to do it one more time.