A Difficult Challenge


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Maybe we should plot against Invincible Reichsman instead.


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Originally Posted by Aneko View Post
Maybe we should plot against Invincible Reichsman instead.
People posted about defeating him within a few days of that TF's release. I don't know if that was a bug that has since been fixed, or if it's still possible.


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Originally Posted by Infernus_Hades View Post
Only one way to win this:

8 controllers with Confuse. Target Numina and she will buff YOU not her team and she could potentially destroy all of them for you.
This is an interesting idea. Let's look at some numbers.

First, there's getting an AV confused. Controller Confuse has a base 29.75 second duration for mag 3 confuse, with a 20% chance of an additional mag 1 for 22.313 seconds. If I understand correctly, the level difference scalar applies to mez duration, so these would be .30 seconds and .22 seconds respectively. With slotting, increase that to perhaps .60 seconds and .44 seconds. I'm not sure if that's even long enough for one to activate an attack, and of course since Confuse has a 2 second cast time and then has a base recharge of 8 seconds, even with a miraculous recharge boost it won't be possible to stack consecutive Confuse casts. Obviously punching through purple triangles is out of the question, and even when they're down it will take two simultaneous Confuses to break through their non-purple-triangle mag 4 mez protection.

But what about Dominators? In Domination, Confuse deals a base 23.8 second mag 3 Confuse and an additional base 35.7 second mag 3 confuse. That's enough to beat the boss level mez protection in one shot. Admittedly, it's still only .24 seconds, but it's something. Now, throw on slotting: .48 seconds per Confuse. If we throw on Megalomaniac: 0.63 seconds. Let's go kind of insane here and imagine we can get the Doms to ripple-fire their confuses 0.5 seconds apart. With 8 doms, that adds up to 4 whole seconds of confusion, which means you could theoretically perma-confuse one AV if you can get +200% recharge on 8 Doms. And of course if all their Confuses hit.

Hey, while we're tossing around accolade powers, though, throw in Force of Nature. That's +25% tohit and +100% recharge for 60 seconds. Now we're kind of getting somewhere. Replace two of the Doms with Controllers, say Ill/Rads or Mind/Kins, and you lose a little confuse but gain some more recharge. Assuming supernatural levels of coordination, you can get a single AV confused for most of the time for the 30 seconds that purple trianges are down. Whee!

Now, which AV to confuse? Numina is level 35, which doesn't help much for confusing her, but considerably impairs her ability to damage the others. Buffs don't scale by level difference, so her Fortitude is going to be the same buff as if you were even con - not much help there. What we really need is somebody with debuffs that are on par with the AVs, preferably regeneration debuffs strong enough to make the lava damage significant. Somebody like... Positron!

I'm afraid I must admit to being insufficiently number-versed to say how strong Positron's Lingering Radiation is, but I'm going to guess it's pretty strong. Of course we can't decide whether he'll cast it or on who, but let's just assume we're persistent enough to keep trying this until he does, and that he throws it early, and that he throws it on Numina. Numina is -5 to the others which makes her an ideal target for murder (I'll settle for one, because it's a lot more than zero!). So the question becomes: can a +5 Positron kill a non-regenerating, lava-cooking Numina in 30 seconds or less?

I'm betting... no. But it's the angle I'd take if I were to try this.


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Originally Posted by UberGuy View Post
People posted about defeating him within a few days of that TF's release. I don't know if that was a bug that has since been fixed, or if it's still possible.
Castle said it was a bug in the first thread I saw about it, and it was supposedly fixed. I don't know if anyone's managed it since then.


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'I'd rather not,' the Cat remarked.
'Don't be impertinent,' said the King, 'and don't look at me like that!' He got behind Alice as he spoke.
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Incidentally, basically the only reason I'm considering this is because the developers clearly intended that it be impossible that some level 20 villains could cause the death of one of the Freedom Phalanx. But they didn't do so by just making them impossible to defeat - they did so by setting things up in a way that they believe will make them too difficult to defeat. And historically, players have been known to drive huge wedges into the gap between "impossible" and "ridiculously difficult", frequently to the developers' dismay.

It's the difference between "no way can you stack 100% resistance" and implementing a resist cap. It's the difference between "no way can you level from 1 to 50 in 3 hours" and implementing a rewards cap. It's the difference between "no way can you break a mag 100 hold" and implementing a mag 1000 hold.

I'm interested to see whether that's going to be the case here. That's all.


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Might as well try for fun.


 

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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison View Post
Against Numina, even if you all landed the power at the same exact time, it would only last six tenths of a second.

She may grant one of you Fortitude, then immediately proceed to mind**** the whole team.
... Confuse doesn't draw any aggro...


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It's really not. Your attacks and debuffs are still only 1% effective and that's the roadblock here.
Thanks for the reality check. I was hoping it would get you to 2% or something. Ah well.


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An interesting problem. One avenue that might be worth considering is Contagious Confusion. Its a grant power, so it probably will not be affected by the -20 level difference. If you can land a confuse on a target, and that target manages to land contagious confusion on another target, and that target's triangles are down, you could get a substantial amount of confuse duration. Assuming you have eight players with confuse powers with the proc, you could get CC stacking which could confuse one of the AVs for the duration their triangles were down.

Hypothetically speaking if all the triangles were synchronized, and all the AVs were confused at once, and all of them ganged up on one AV, particularly Numina, simultaneously, they might conceivably kill her. Also it takes an AV 5 minutes to heal to full through normal regen, so you might be able to whittle them down on each triangle cycle if enough of them concentrate enough damage to deal more than 30% health on each cycle.

This ignores any buffing they might do to each other, which could foil the process. With perfect pulling, the optimum strategy might be to pull Citadel, Numina, and Statesman off on their own and start confuse stacking them. Hopefully Statesman and Citadel get buffed by Numina and then pound her into dust when they are confused.


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Originally Posted by Arcanaville View Post
Hopefully Statesman and Citadel get buffed by Numina and then pound her into dust when they are confused.
Does Numina not cast Clear Mind in addition to Fortitude?

It seems like taking granted powers further might be worth exploring. Although the Achilles' Heel proc doesn't stack, as a grant power it should have full effect.

I'm also wondering about chain powers. Those work through grant powers, no? If so how do damage procs slotted in those powers work with regards to level differences? Jolting Chain from Electric Control can take three damage procs. Chain Induction from Electrical Melee can take five (on Brutes).