GR Complete question now that freedom is live
By
Aggelakis,
Posted on: 2011-09-24 10:55 in Player Questions
If you find a retail copy of Going Rogue and apply it to your account, you will get the following:
- ZERO FREE CHARACTER SLOTS (The retail code had to be applied before Sept 13 to qualify for the free slots.)
- NO ACCESS to the INCARNATE SYSTEM (No, it was not a part of Going Rogue. It is only open to subscribers.)
- One month of VIP access.
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- Demon Summoning
- Dual Pistols
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- Going Rogue : Drink Enriche
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- Going Rogue : Praetorian Salute
- Going Rogue : Resistance Protest
- Going Rogue Alignment System
- GR CC Item Pack - Alpha Aura
- GR CC Item Pack - Alpha Belt
- GR CC Item Pack - Alpha Boots
- GR CC Item Pack - Alpha Chest
- GR CC Item Pack - Alpha Gloves
- GR CC Item Pack - Alpha Hat
- GR CC Item Pack - Alpha Head Detail 1
- GR CC Item Pack - Alpha Head Detail 2
- GR CC Item Pack - Alpha Pants
- GR CC Item Pack - Alpha Pattern
- GR CC Item Pack - Alpha Shoulders
- GR CC Item Pack - Heroic Stances
- GR CC Item Pack - Omega Aura
- GR CC Item Pack - Omega Boots
- GR CC Item Pack - Omega Chest
- GR CC Item Pack - Omega Gloves
- GR CC Item Pack - Omega Hat
- GR CC Item Pack - Omega Head Detail 2
- GR CC Item Pack - Omega Head Texture
- GR CC Item Pack - Omega Pants
- GR CC Item Pack - Omega Shoulders
- GR CC Item Pack - Villainous Stances
- GR Exp Costumes - Praetorian Clockwork Faces: Female
- GR Exp Costumes - Praetorian Clockwork Faces: Female
- GR Exp Costumes - Praetorian Clockwork Faces: Female
- GR Exp Costumes - Praetorian Clockwork Faces: Male
- GR Exp Costumes - Praetorian Clockwork Faces: Male
- GR Exp Costumes - Praetorian Clockwork Faces: Male
- GR Exp Costumes - Praetorian Clockwork Faces: Male
- GR Exp Costumes - Praetorian Clockwork Faces: Male
- GR Exp Costumes - Clockwork Arms
- GR Exp Costumes - Clockwork Boots
- GR Exp Costumes - Clockwork Chest
- GR Exp Costumes - Clockwork Chest Detail
- GR Exp Costumes - Clockwork Gloves
- GR Exp Costumes - Clockwork Gloves
- GR Exp Costumes - Clockwork Pants
- GR Exp Costumes - Clockwork Pants
- GR Exp Costumes - Clockwork Shoulders
- GR Exp Costumes - Clockwork Shoulders
- GR Exp Costumes - Overguard Boots
- GR Exp Costumes - Overguard Chest
- GR Exp Costumes - Overguard Gloves
- GR Exp Costumes - Overguard Leggings
- GR Exp Costumes - Overguard Shoulders
- GR Exp Costumes - Praetorian Clockwork Faces: Female
- GR Exp Costumes - Praetorian Clockwork Faces: Female
- GR Exp Costumes - Praetorian Clockwork Faces: Female
- GR Exp Costumes - Praetorian Clockwork Faces: Female
- GR Exp Costumes - Praetorian Clockwork Faces: Huge
- GR Exp Costumes - Praetorian Clockwork Faces: Huge
- GR Exp Costumes - Praetorian Clockwork Faces: Huge
- GR Exp Costumes - Praetorian Clockwork Faces: Huge
- GR Exp Costumes - Praetorian Clockwork Faces: Huge
- GR Exp Costumes - Praetorian Clockwork Faces: Huge
- GR Exp Costumes - Praetorian Clockwork Faces: Male
- GR Exp Costumes - Praetorian Police Belt
- GR Exp Costumes - Praetorian Police Boots
- GR Exp Costumes - Praetorian Police Chest Detail
- GR Exp Costumes - Praetorian Police Gloves
- GR Exp Costumes - Praetorian Police Helmet
- GR Exp Costumes - Praetorian Police Pants
- GR Exp Costumes - Praetorian Police Shoulders
- GR Exp Costumes - Praetorian Police Visor
- GR Exp Costumes - Praetorian Resistance Beard
- GR Exp Costumes - Praetorian Resistance Belt
- GR Exp Costumes - Praetorian Resistance Boots
- GR Exp Costumes - Praetorian Resistance Chest Detail
- GR Exp Costumes - Praetorian Resistance Female Hair (Resistance 1)
- GR Exp Costumes - Praetorian Resistance Female Hair (Resistance 2)
- GR Exp Costumes - Praetorian Resistance Gloves
- GR Exp Costumes - Praetorian Resistance Goggle Pack
- GR Exp Costumes - Praetorian Resistance Goggle Pack
- GR Exp Costumes - Praetorian Resistance Mohawk
- GR Exp Costumes - Praetorian Resistance Pants
- GR Exp Costumes - Praetorian Resistance Shoulders Pack
- GR Exp Costumes - Praetorian Resistance Shoulders Pack
- GR Exp Costumes - Sport Boots
- GR Exp Costumes - Sport Gloves
- GR Exp Costumes - Sport Shoulders
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He'll get everything but the two slots.
(Incarnate system still requires being VIP to use)
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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EDIT: beaten by better answers!
I'm pretty sure that it would all apply. I can't see how it wouldn't (but since I'm not 100% positive, I don't want to mislead anyone).
Plus, that version includes the costume pieces, auras and emotes (which are nice, in my opinion).
But yeah... if you buy the box and apply it... it's yours. I don't think they would/are going to pull anything against all of the retail boxes still out there.
Whether he does it now or later, that should give him the month of play and all the goodies.
Hope I'm not wrong about that!
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
Ah, right... not the two slots.
Anyway, I don't want to cause confusion in this thread, as the answers have been given and all is good there...
About this:
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I have zero problem with the Incarnate System being VIP only. It is a non issue.|
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
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However, the system was absolutely tied to Going Rogue and no retcon and revisionist history is going to change that. Not sure why you worded it that way, but you had to have Going Rogue for that system and that was always the case.
I know you know this, so I don't understand why you'd word it like that.
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
thanks was not sure (the MM controller I knew about same with incarnate) so basically everything (except those and extra char slots)
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It requires you to own Going Rogue. It is not a part of Going Rogue. There is actually a difference, both semantic and marketing-wise.
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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
I have zero problem with the Incarnate System being VIP only. It is a non issue.
However, the system was absolutely tied to Going Rogue and no retcon and revisionist history is going to change that. Not sure why you worded it that way, but you had to have Going Rogue for that system and that was always the case. I know you know this, so I don't understand why you'd word it like that. |
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No one has claimed that the Incarnate system isn't tied to the Going Rogue expansion which was launched August 17, 2010. Buying Going Rogue only bought players access to the Incarnate system once it was launched. |
Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
[/LIST]However, the system was absolutely tied to Going Rogue and no retcon and revisionist history is going to change that. Not sure why you worded it that way, but you had to have Going Rogue for that system and that was always the case.
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The Incarnate system itself wasn't added to the game until Issue 19 which went live November 30, 2010. That's three months after the launch of Going Rogue.
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Thanks for reminding me about the free month.|
Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
Whether he does it now or later, that should give him the month of play and all the goodies.
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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
I have zero problem with the Incarnate System being VIP only. It is a non issue.
However, the system was absolutely tied to Going Rogue and no retcon and revisionist history is going to change that. Not sure why you worded it that way, but you had to have Going Rogue for that system and that was always the case. I know you know this, so I don't understand why you'd word it like that. |
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Originally Posted by RGDelta
thanks was not sure (the MM controller I knew about same with incarnate) so basically everything (except those and extra char slots)
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
It requires you to own Going Rogue. It is not a part of Going Rogue. There is actually a difference, both semantic and marketing-wise.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
No one has claimed that the Incarnate system isn't tied to the Going Rogue expansion which was launched August 17, 2010. Buying Going Rogue only bought players access to the Incarnate system once it was launched.
The Incarnate system itself wasn't added to the game until Issue 19 which went live November 30, 2010. That's three months after the launch of Going Rogue. |
Accessing any of the Incarnate content required Going Rogue. Going Rogue was not a momentary experience. It is a continuing, ongoing expansion and the incarnate system fell under its umbrella.
Again, under the new hybrid business model... there is zero wrong with dividing things up however they wish, but the incarnate system was indeed a part of Going Rogue. Just as the First Ward zone would likely be, if Going Rogue hadn't been added freely to any subscription (which is a nice thing).
EDIT: Just wanted to finish that off a bit better and a bit friendlier...
It's all good, as far as I am concerned and I certainly don't want to have any argument about it in this thread (I see now that it is a highly contested debate elsewhere, hehe).
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
EDIT: Just wanted to finish that off a bit better and a bit friendlier...
It's all good, as far as I am concerned and I certainly don't want to have any argument about it in this thread (I see now that it is a highly contested debate elsewhere, hehe). |
I just wanted to add that I also was confused by this when it was first announced. Incarnates were announced with Going Rogue and there was supposed to be a preview included in GR (which was later nixed). After a bit more explanation by Paragon Studios and folks here, I totally agree that Incarnates was not a part of GR.
Still I see how someone could have that impression (because I had that impression myself) and I think the devs could have done a bit better job communicating it to the players.
So, no worries, but yeah I think we've pretty much decided that the devs didn't communicate well but also that they were right, Incarnates and GR were always two different things.
Slightly off-topic observation, but Going Rogue is no longer on Steam.
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Yeah noticed that. How does Steam feel about Free-to-play? Do you think CoH is going to stay on Steam or do you think it will be removed?
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Yeah some people are going at it like rabid ferrets that the incarnate stuff was released as a part of GR and they are being ripped off. Truly comical. |
Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
I am also well aware of the history and dates (that sounds snarky/feisty, but it is not meant that way in the slightest! Read it again with an agreeing, friendly voice!), but yeah... it is a matter of semantics.
Accessing any of the Incarnate content required Going Rogue. Going Rogue was not a momentary experience. It is a continuing, ongoing expansion and the incarnate system fell under its umbrella. Again, under the new hybrid business model... there is zero wrong with dividing things up however they wish, but the incarnate system was indeed a part of Going Rogue. Just as the First Ward zone would likely be, if Going Rogue hadn't been added freely to any subscription (which is a nice thing). EDIT: Just wanted to finish that off a bit better and a bit friendlier... It's all good, as far as I am concerned and I certainly don't want to have any argument about it in this thread (I see now that it is a highly contested debate elsewhere, hehe). |
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There's several Free-to-play games on Steam... but, I thought Steam normally wanted a cut of micro-transactions for those or something.
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Originally Posted by gameboy1234
Yeah noticed that. How does Steam feel about Free-to-play? Do you think CoH is going to stay on Steam or do you think it will be removed?
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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Can't be any more comical than the guy I just saw on Virtue Help screaming because he can't use his Demon Summoning MM as a Premium, because he bought GR. People kept pointing out he bought access to the poweret, not the AT, and that he needed to talk to customer service since the players certainly couldn't do anything about it, but he just kept yelling. Don't know how long he kept going, I ignored him after about 5 minutes.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Yeah some people are going at it like rabid ferrets that the incarnate stuff was released as a part of GR and they are being ripped off. Truly comical.
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Yes, the Devs did flub by saying "you keep everything you bought" when they should have said, "nothing is deleted when you go Premium, but some things may become pay-extra-for or completely unavailable while F2P. When you pay a la carte or go VIP, your stuff is still there!"|
Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
Ah, right... not the two slots.
Anyway, I don't want to cause confusion in this thread, as the answers have been given and all is good there... About this: I have zero problem with the Incarnate System being VIP only. It is a non issue. However, the system was absolutely tied to Going Rogue and no retcon and revisionist history is going to change that. Not sure why you worded it that way, but you had to have Going Rogue for that system and that was always the case. I know you know this, so I don't understand why you'd word it like that. |
However, it was the playerbase that flubbed when they heard, "Incarnates come with purchasing Going Rogue" when that was never said. What was said was "Incarnates are *unlocked* by purchasing Going Rogue." That's a distinction that was clear, but it was a distinction people didn't want to hear.
When the Devs were creating End Game Content (i.e., Incarnates) they also knew at that time that FREEDOM was coming and decided that End Game Content was VIP-only. However, in order to monetize Incarnates until FREEDOM came, they locked it behind the purchase of Going Rogue *as an unlock*, not as *included in the box*. They were very clear about that as one can tell by Incarnates never being mentioned on the box.
They have changed the unlock feature for Incarnates from purchasing Going Rogue (and being a subscriber) to just being a subscriber.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
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When the Devs were creating End Game Content (i.e., Incarnates) they also knew at that time that FREEDOM was coming and decided that End Game Content was VIP-only. However, in order to monetize Incarnates until FREEDOM came, they locked it behind the purchase of Going Rogue *as an unlock*, not as *included in the box*. They were very clear about that as one can tell by Incarnates never being mentioned on the box. They have changed the unlock feature for Incarnates from purchasing Going Rogue (and being a subscriber) to just being a subscriber. |
Yep, yep! I was only just realizing that aspect of it when I was thinking out-loud (so to speak) in another thread.
The whole GR unlocks the Incarnate Content thing always seemed slightly odd to me. I was fine with it, but something seemed a little off about it. Now I can see why.
Again, I have zero problem with any of it and I don't think they did anything wrong (other than, as you mentioned, slightly poorly worded mentioning to the masses, some of whom have completely flubbed in their interpretation).
I do, however, believe that "unlock" and "part of" really make zero difference, as far as I am concerned. I don't see expansions as one-time box purchases. Instead, it is simply ongoing access to anything under that new umbrella.
That, too, makes zero difference on how things should be handled regarding the Incarnate system and "Freedom".
I honestly don't get how anyone can think that all of this should be available to Premiums... Frankly, I am unconvinced that they haven't already offered too much (not sure... not calling doom... I just have to wonder if more people will go premium than expected... I am not planning to, for whatever that is worth).
Okay, I believe I have rambled on...
Anyway, at least we all seem to agree on the main issue here (shhh, don't tell anyone else!).
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
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I don't think there's need to worry about that. First of all, the only people getting most of the game for free are the top tiers, and these are people who have subbed for long or paid a lot on the market. Besides, this model has been tried with a lot of other games. The only thing which differs are the number of restrictions. CoH Freedom is better in some ways and worse in some ways than what other games provide for free.|
Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
I honestly don't get how anyone can think that all of this should be available to Premiums... Frankly, I am unconvinced that they haven't already offered too much (not sure... not calling doom... I just have to wonder if more people will go premium than expected... I am not planning to, for whatever that is worth).
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There will always be some argument about whether Freedom gives too much or two little. It's a matter of your point of view, and as long as the game will make more money than it did before it doesn't matter. The devs will look at the game, see what makes money and what doesn't, and it's entirely possible that a year from now the restrictions will be different.
I'm not arguing either side, and I'm personally fine with the way things are now. But:
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That distinction was completely and totally irrelevant at the time; since there was only one way to play the game, and no mention of the upcoming Freedom model, they were effectively one and the same. People had about a year to get used to GR = Incarnates, No GR = No Incarnates before the change. That's where the disconnect arises from.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
However, it was the playerbase that flubbed when they heard, "Incarnates come with purchasing Going Rogue" when that was never said. What was said was "Incarnates are *unlocked* by purchasing Going Rogue." That's a distinction that was clear, but it was a distinction people didn't want to hear.
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@Roderick
I have a friend that can get GR Complete unopened cheap and he was wondering when they open up new accounts if he got GR Complete and applied the code would that give him the following 1 month VIP and when he goes down to premium will he get all the GR stuff any other premium GR owner gets (praetoria, 2 slots, alignment system, Dual Pistols, Demon Summoning (after unlocking MM's) etc?). I did a search and only saw posts by the devs saying before it goes live but now it is could he end up getting the stuff since there are still box's floating around or would he screw himself in buying it?
*Sorry for cross forum post my original post was in the wrong forums*