Twinshot's Arc is Brilliant. (MASSIVE SPOILERS)


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I liked the final "good team vs. evil team" showdown in the last mission. I was itching to fight as I read the dialogue, which was excellent.
I'm glad I wasn't playing a squishier character...cause I got hit by all the bosses first...lol


 

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I'm glad I wasn't playing a squishier character...cause I got hit by all the bosses first...lol
Ouch, I was panicing trying to keep the Twit Squad from getting themselves killed.

I did come to really like Flambeau as a character after the arcs though. Ya, she's a brat, but she's just a teen trying to cope with having Amazing Powers.


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I did come to really like Flambeau as a character after the arcs though. Ya, she's a brat, but she's just a teen trying to cope with having Amazing Powers.
So is Penelope Yin, and she's more mature and less selfish than Flambeaux.


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Flambeaux is not a teenager. She supposedly discovered a compound that gave her fire powers, i.e. she's supposedly a scientist. Really.


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Flambeaux is not a teenager. She supposedly discovered a compound that gave her fire powers, i.e. she's supposedly a scientist. Really.
She might have discovered it in a high school science class


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So where does everyone fit in the Five Man Band concept?
I'd forgotten that trope, but are you even seriously asking? Twinshot is the Hero, Grym is the Lancer, Proton is the Smart Guy, Dillo is the Big Guy, and Flambeaux is The Chick.

We were discussing something similar over the weekend on Virtue United, and I opined that all of them but Twinshot are continuations of something Melissa Bianco did with Fusionette in the Faultline and RWZ arcs: "Don't be THAT GUY."

Fusionette is a parody of that annoying blaster we've all teamed with: the one who runs off away from the team, grabs tons of aggro, and then either leads it back to the team or dies there and waits to be rezzed. You find her annoying to team with? Good. Don't be That Guy!

In these arcs, Flambeaux especially, and to a lesser extent Grym and Dillo and Proton, are yet more forms of "Don't be THAT GUY:"

Flambeaux is one of the most common and most annoying forms of "bad RPer." We've all teamed with them, especially on Virtue -- the person for whom RPing consists of two things: reciting their backstory ad nauseum while the rest of us are trying to play the game, and telling us over and over again how sexy their character is. You find this annoying? Good. Don't be That Guy!

Grym is someone who basically imported his character straight over from World of Warcraft, a thinly disguised Worgen warrior (minus the very nice hat and the Cockney accent), or any other werewolf character from any other fantasy MMO; nothing he says makes any sense in the context of CoH or fits even minimally into the backstory, but he insists that it's all very important and all be taken seriously. You find this annoying? Good. Don't be That Guy!

Proton is, as others have said, Mary Sue incarnate. He's claims that he's super-smart, he claims that the ladies all love him, and he claims that he's an important family member of two of the most important canon characters, but we've never heard of him before. You find this annoying? Good. Don't be That Guy!

Dillo is the high-class version of the annoying RPer. He's someone who's fit his character into the game's backstory, and invented an entire alien dialect for his species. That he never quits using, even when discussing game mechanics. Which means that nobody on the team can ever tell what he's actually saying. You find this annoying? Good. Don't be That Guy!

This can probably be expanded; the main characters of the villain tutorial are probably somebody's idea of the five stupidest, most annoying concepts that RPers bring to super-villainy. I'm just a little too tired, this morning, to do the analysis myself.


 

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So is Penelope Yin, and she's more mature and less selfish than Flambeaux.
Yen is in her twenties now.


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Yen is in her twenties now.
Isn't Flambeaux?

"Originally Posted by Hyperstrike View Post
So where does everyone fit in the Five Man Band concept?
I'd forgotten that trope, but are you even seriously asking? Twinshot is the Hero, Grym is the Lancer, Proton is the Smart Guy, Dillo is the Big Guy, and Flambeaux is The Chick." (not up to proper quoting...)

And then add the PC perspective into the mix...

PC perspective:
You are The Hero, Twinshot's the Lancer, Proton is still the smart guy, Dillo is the Big guy, Flambeaux is the Dark Chick (though this is only with meta-knowledge of where he actions lead her), and Grym is the Sixth Ranger.


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Manti's hired minions are also pretty trusting to pose as kidnappers and assume I'm not a murdering vigilante.


 

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Manti's hired minions are also pretty trusting to pose as kidnappers and assume I'm not a murdering vigilante.
That was discussed at length near the end of the open beta. A small legion of apologists defended it.


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Manti's hired minions are also pretty trusting to pose as kidnappers and assume I'm not a murdering vigilante.
Manticore has been keeping an eye on you and the group - he knows the type of people he's getting his helpers to fight


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That was discussed at length near the end of the open beta. A small legion of apologists defended it.
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Manticore has been keeping an eye on you and the group - he knows the type of people he's getting his helpers to fight
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Manti's hired minions are also pretty trusting to pose as kidnappers and assume I'm not a murdering vigilante.
They also have a remarkably good collection of Arachnos weapons and armor, and do a remarkably good job of imitating Arachnos combat techniques.

If I'd been writing it, they would have been archers who were wearing Arachnos uniforms. But I suppose that would have given the ending of that mission away too early.


 

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They also have a remarkably good collection of Arachnos weapons and armor, and do a remarkably good job of imitating Arachnos combat techniques.

If I'd been writing it, they would have been archers who were wearing Arachnos uniforms. But I suppose that would have given the ending of that mission away too early.
Only for people already playing the game, which isn't who the training arcs are aimed at


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Manticore has been keeping an eye on you and the group - he knows the type of people he's getting his helpers to fight
Not an excuse. He's using a live-fire scenario to "test" the Shining Stars. It's sheer luck (authorial fiat) that no one got their head blown off or otherwise hit in a way that prevented Medicom from kicking in.


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Not an excuse. He's using a live-fire scenario to "test" the Shining Stars. It's sheer luck (authorial fiat) that no one got their head blown off or otherwise hit in a way that prevented Medicom from kicking in.
That's just the way Manti and his Wyvern gangstas roll


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And having run this entire arc in one go last night (why did I think staying up til 2am was a good idea again?), I must say that in this ENTIRE game... in over FOUR YEARS of playing it...

... I have NEVER, EVER found a character who so lived up to his name as I did in my wannabe sidekick, "No Mind."

Holy crap, he ran off, aggroed the whole room, came back to me, nearly died at my feet, nearly got ME killed, ran away AGAIN, hid in a corner, came back just as I healed... and leading the ambush... absolutely UNREAL.

As badly as I wanted to kill him, I thought, "Well, this is a training arc, you may as well train them for the moron NPCs we have to lead around..."

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As badly as I wanted to kill him, I thought, "Well, this is a training arc, you may as well train them for the other real players we have to lead around..."
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I never believed Twinshot to be the mole. She exuded self sacrifice and regret. But the arc still kept me guessing.

During the final radio conversation between Proton and Twinshot, I assumed that Proton was somehow working with the Praetorians to prevent his nightmare future. Okay, sure. But the very minute that Maelstrom said "Tilman's work is not easily undone", everything snapped into place and I yelled at the sky.

TIILMAAAAAAAAN

For perspective, I did this arc after the First Ward chain. I shan't ruin the story of that here but suffice to say that Twinshot's arc is the straw that broke the camel's back. That woman is... all kinds of despicable.

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... I have NEVER, EVER found a character who so lived up to his name as I did in my wannabe sidekick, "No Mind.
Oh christ, you too?! I thought it was a fluke, but no. The first mob that No Mind and I took down was fine, but then he ran, sprinted over to a completely different mob a hundred yards away.

Forget Fusionette. The new term is No Minding.


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I want the forums to auto-delete threads with a post ratio like this.


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Hey, just coz I post twice (well now three times) in a thread isn't a reason to nuke it!

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