DM/INV build questions

Hey all,

Looking for some advice on a Dark Melee/Invunlnerability build I have been working on.

The idea behind the build is to make something that is afforadble but will also be usable in end game content. As I am only lvl 40 right now I figured I had some time to tweak a final build.

My main influences have been the builds Succubus Kali and De-Light. I have also gotten a few ideas here and there from Smiling Joe's Scrappers Guide to darke Melee, which I would like to mention is a fantastic read for those that haven't already read it.

Some things about where I was going with my build:

One, I really wanted a travel power. Succubus and De-Light did not seem to have any. Don't know if I am missing some hidden travel power there or something; nontheless I added in fly because I find it to be fun. And hey, why shouldn't I get to enjoy myself while playing?

Two, as stated before I wanted the build to be afforadble. Though I have kept some expensive pieces in there I attempted to keep them to a minimum. For example, Luck of the Gambler: Recharge speed seems to be a necessity. When trying to have perma hasten, dull pain, and sould drain, dropping in 5 LotG seemed invaluable. Plus, I have heard you can get these fairly easily with hero merits, dont know if that is true or not. But that being said I tried to avoid entire sets like Panacea, or Ragnarok.

Three, the way I have imagained playing this build is to have perma hasten and dull pain. Then attack starting with soul drain and then midnight grasp, siphon life, fire ball, and fire blast as main attacks. Could also use Smite but seems like these four moves would do more damage and could be used alternatly without the need for a fifth attack. Does this sound reasonable? Or is smite something I should really try to use insead of one of the other stated moves?

Also, going back to enhancements. Both builds I looked at used Aegis in nearly all available defence slots. I substituted a few of these with Impervium Armor. Though I lost some fire, cold, and AoE defence, I gained some Psionic Def and resistance. Again don't know if this is a better decision. Perhaps guys at the end of the game don't use psionic attacks and therefore the resistance and defence to them are unimportant. If so please let me know.

Well that being said here is my build. Any advice in how to maximize my survivablilty and damage output, while keeping costs low would be much appriciated. Thank you, and sorry for any spelling/gramatical errors. Typed this out on my phone, comp is currently broken :P

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Smite does more than Fire Blast (mids has it wrong last I checked if you're going by Mids, but also still, Smite does better damage).

You don't need perma Hasten in order to have perma Dull Pain.

You can get perma Dull Pain with 3 slotted Hasten and 55% global recharge, so if that was a concern of yours you can make the build a little cheaper that way.

Do you currently have the PvP uniques?
If you do, I suppose you can use them.
If you were planning to buy them for the build, I would suggest NOT to and instead spend the 4-5 billion saved and improve the build more.

I myself do not find Psi Defense that important. There does not seem to be enough psi damage to warrant high defense. Yes, you run into the occasional seer and fortunata. Chances are you will be able to defeat them before they defeat you.

This build - I took yours and made improvements to it, along with removing the PvP uniques and using gained influence to fix the build. Of course, close to all of this new build can be bought with Hero Merits.

The Merits are easy to come by. You just run 5 hero/villain tip missions a day on -1x1, run to objective - complete them and leave. When you get a hero/villain morality .. you do the same here - speed it. Then you have a merit. Most good items are 2 Alignment merits (LOTG+Rech, uniques).

The "cheaper" build - Feel free to switch Jumping to Flight. I like Jumping because it costs less endurance :3

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Originally Posted by Wavicle CoH players are stupid and incompetent compared to WoW players.

Thank you all for your advice.

BrandX: Thank you, I didn't know there was an issue with Mids' calculation with smite. This is good to know.

Clawsandeffect: My main concern was to have perma hasten, for a constant recharge bonus. Seemd like a good idea, let me know if this may not be worth the effort. A secondary bonus to perma hasten would be to have dull pain rechage as fast as possible. My thought was that the more often I can use dull pain the more often I get to heal myself. Thus hopefully negating some of my lower defence and resistance do to my cheaper build.

War-Nugget: Didn't realize those pvp enhancements were still on there :P Left over from one of the builds I used as a frame work. I'll have to tweak some things to get rid of those. Also, thank you for the information on pscionic defence and hero merits. Knowing that can save me some money. I'll also need to peruse your build once my computer is up and running again.

With this information I'll have to go back and make some changes. Thank you very much everyone. This has been very helpful.

And as always, any other input would be appreicated.

Werner: Thank you for the clairification. I missed that with ClawsandEffect's post.

Here is my new build. I took War-Nugget's changes and adjusted things just a bit more. I have made fly my travel power. And I have also taken out shadow maul and added in resist elements. I don't care for the 3 second cast time or the cone damage it does. Again, don't know if this is a bread and butter move that I should keep, or if it is a fine move to scrap for something else.

Also, I have adjusted a few enhancements to add in some psionic defence. I understand that I can get away without putting this in, however I figured I didnt lose much by adding it. And I feel it makes a more defencively rounded character.

Thanks again for everyone's imput.

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This is my DM/INV named End Game.
This is not a cheap build but you will never be disappointed with it.

A couple of things you could do to make it just a smidge more effective is to swap the Cytos in Invincible with Enzymes and swap out both the Galdiator's strikes in Midnight Grasp with the A/E/R and the Quad. But this is how I run End Game and maybe on my next 2 billion I will put the finishing touches on him.

The highlight for him, IMO, is that you are over 45% S/L with any enemy in range and over 56% fully saturated. I have tried him at 49% with one in range but the slotting trade off wasn't as good and he is tough enough against most anything as is.

You might notice that i have the Kinetic Combat Knockdown bonus instead of the D/E/R in boxing and brawl. That is purely just for my amusement. Sometimes I just grab a goon and slap him around on the ground for a while. I carry the D/E/R in my inventory and now use unslotters to change as needed.

My slotting of Dull Pain and Siphon Life are both not typical but they are done that way for Survivability reasons and I like it the way it is.

Overall I can do all the things people usually talk about: I can tank Lord Recluse on the STF (before Incarnates). I can take down the Rikti pylon in about 7-8 minutes without incarnates or Soul Drain fodder (not spectacular but I'm a DM; I am happy). I can solo the ITF.

If you like the idea of being very surviveable and useful in just about any situation, you will like this toon if you build it.

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I've had my 50 DM/INV on the shelf for over 5 years and would love to get him back in game for the end game.

Heres my attempt, it's a copy with some changes.

Some questions:

* Is Stealth worth getting for Defense? (I have it for theme)
* Is Touch of Fear worth getting?
* Is there a way to free up some slots from Brawl?
* I two slotted Resist Energies/Elements and Temp Invuln with more Resistance, are those slots better spent elsewhere?
* Changed over to Soul epic for Fast Dark Blast and Shadow Meld (poping Shadow Meld right before Unstoppable crashes)
* I am guessing it will take a lot more $$$ to get above 46% recharge, I think I am ok without perma-haste as I don't like the 25 end crash.

Incarnate:
* Incarnate Alpha - Cardiac for Endurance (lots of toggles here) and +20% reistance.
* Incarnate Interface - Diamagnetic (more -to hit defbuffs)
* Incarnate Destiny - Barrier (more shields the better)

Many thanks guys =)



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Pine - Cheaper build: Level 50 Natural Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Dark Melee
Secondary Power Set: Invulnerability
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Concealment
Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Smite

• (A) Crushing Impact - Accuracy/Damage
• (3) Crushing Impact - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
• (3) Crushing Impact - Damage/Recharge
• (5) Crushing Impact - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
• (5) Crushing Impact - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance

• (A) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance
• (7) Aegis - Psionic/Status Resistance
• (7) Aegis - Resistance

• (A) Eradication - Damage/Recharge
• (9) Eradication - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
• (9) Eradication - Damage
• (23) Eradication - Accuracy/Recharge

• (A) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance
• (11) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Recharge
• (11) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
• (13) Doctored Wounds - Heal
• (13) Doctored Wounds - Recharge

• (A) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance
• (15) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
• (15) Aegis - Resistance
• (46) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
• (50) Resist Damage IO

• (A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage
• (17) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance
• (17) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge
• (19) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
• (19) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
• (21) Numina's Convalescence - Heal

• (A) Recharge Reduction IO
• (21) Recharge Reduction IO

• (A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage
• (23) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance
• (25) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge
• (25) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge

• (A) Winter's Gift - Slow Resistance (20%)

• (A) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance
• (27) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
• (27) Aegis - Resistance

• (A) Eradication - Damage/Recharge
• (29) Eradication - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
• (29) Eradication - Accuracy/Recharge
• (31) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Accuracy/Recharge

• (A) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance
• (31) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
• (31) Aegis - Resistance

• (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
• (33) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
• (33) HamiO:Enzyme Exposure

• (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
• (33) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
• (34) HamiO:Enzyme Exposure

• (A) Eradication - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
• (34) Eradication - Damage/Recharge
• (34) Eradication - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
• (36) Cleaving Blow - Damage/Endurance
• (36) Cleaving Blow - Damage/Recharge
• (36) Cleaving Blow - Accuracy/Recharge

• (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
• (37) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
• (37) HamiO:Enzyme Exposure
• (37) Rectified Reticle - To Hit Buff
• (39) Rectified Reticle - Increased Perception

• (A) Defense Buff IO
• (50) Endurance Reduction IO

• (A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage
• (39) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance
• (39) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge
• (40) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
• (40) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
• (40) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge

• (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed

• (A) Resist Damage IO
• (45) Resist Damage IO

• (A) Decimation - Accuracy/Damage
• (42) Decimation - Damage/Endurance
• (42) Decimation - Damage/Recharge
• (42) Decimation - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
• (43) Decimation - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge

• (A) Recharge Reduction IO
• (45) Recharge Reduction IO

• (A) Recharge Reduction IO
• (48) Recharge Reduction IO

• (A) Resist Damage IO
• (50) Resist Damage IO

• (A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage
• (43) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge
• (43) Kinetic Combat - Knockdown Bonus
• (45) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge

• (A) Empty

• (A) Empty

• (A) Run Speed IO

• (A) Jumping IO

• (A) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery
• (46) Miracle - +Recovery
• (46) Regenerative Tissue - +Regeneration

• (A) Performance Shifter - EndMod
• (48) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Recharge
• (48) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End

• 11.4% Defense(Melee)
• 19.9% Defense(Smashing)
• 19.9% Defense(Lethal)
• 15.5% Defense(Fire)
• 15.5% Defense(Cold)
• 13.6% Defense(Energy)
• 13.6% Defense(Negative)
• 3% Defense(Psionic)
• 8.31% Defense(Ranged)
• 9.25% Defense(AoE)
• 7.65% Max End
• 4% Enhancement(Heal)
• 7% Enhancement(Accuracy)
• 46.3% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
• 5% FlySpeed
• 165.7 HP (12.4%) HitPoints
• 5% JumpHeight
• 5% JumpSpeed
• MezResist(Immobilize) 19.3%
• MezResist(Terrorized) 2.2%
• 20% Perception
• 1% (0.02 End/sec) Recovery
• 42% (2.34 HP/sec) Regeneration
• 20% ResEffect(FlySpeed)
• 20% ResEffect(RechargeTime)
• 20% ResEffect(RunSpeed)
• 1.26% Resistance(Fire)
• 1.26% Resistance(Cold)
• 3% Resistance(Psionic)
• 25% RunSpeed

This is what I have been running for a bit now. She is probably my favorite toon, as she is pretty much a walking slaughterhouse.

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Some general observations about the DM/Invuln combo:

1.) Dull Pain - This is an HP buff, not a heal. Having it a little better than perma is good so that slows don't make it have downtime.

2.) Siphon Life - This is your heal. Either this, or green insp.

3.) Perma Hasten - Not needed. Sometimes useful, but not needed. All you need is a full attack chain and perma dull pain. I've had builds on my /Invuln that did perfectly fine without even having hasten.

4.) Unstoppable - Not worth it. For Tanks, this might be needed to cap their resists and save the team. They'll survive the crash because the team will save them. In my experience, if the Scrapper needs to turn this power on, the fight is lost already anyway.

5.) Shadow Meld - I could see how it might have been useful with Unstoppable in the build. However, you should be aiming to soft-cap your s/l defense anyway. So even then the benefits would be negligible. Without Unstoppable, Shadow Meld is a waste of a power slot.

6.) Hibernate - If you want a T9 armor power because you have an aversion to xp debt, this is the patron power for you. I had it until recently and dumped it to pursue a new concept for my main. But it really is a spectacular power to have. I almost never died when I had it.

@Rorn ---- Blue Baron ---- Guardian

Dull Pain is your armor against Psi in this build, IMO. That and a little careful watching of Ranged Def as you softcap S/L/E/N, etc...