What do range enhancements work on?
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Posted on: 2011-08-26 16:06 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
Cone attacks.. yes..
PbAoE no because they are not ranged attacks.
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Cones are affected in that the length of the cone is affected, and the range that ranged attacks can be used at are affected. The spread/degrees of cones are not affected, and the AoE radius of attacks that have a spherical AoE are not affected. So, while range enhancements will allow an attack like Fireball to be centered on a target farther away from the caster the size of the affected area is constant.
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Does "cone" attacks include stuff like Shadow Maul, which is written up as though it were a cone, but has a very short range?
It seems to me that going from 7' to 8' might actually be sort of noticeable in the "almost-in-range" fights I seem to end up in.
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no, basically anything with a melee tag on it wont take range enhances|
Originally Posted by seebs
Does "cone" attacks include stuff like Shadow Maul, which is written up as though it were a cone, but has a very short range?
It seems to me that going from 7' to 8' might actually be sort of noticeable in the "almost-in-range" fights I seem to end up in. |
also technically pbaoes can get range if you slot centriole HOs but the range enhancement doesnt seem to do anything
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I have often thought about how useful it would be if there was a separate "AoE" enhancement that increased the size of an AoE or spread of a cone. Would be nice, but I can't see them adding a new type of enhancement at this point. Could throw a lot of stuff off kilter and may require reworking some of the sets (or at the very least, creation of new ones to include the new enhancement type(s)).
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Originally Posted by Schismatrix
Cones are affected in that the length of the cone is affected, and the range that ranged attacks can be used at are affected. The spread/degrees of cones are not affected, and the AoE radius of attacks that have a spherical AoE are not affected. So, while range enhancements will allow an attack like Fireball to be centered on a target farther away from the caster the size of the affected area is constant.
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Originally Posted by Frosty_Femme
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This. A while back melee attacks were specifically flagged to ignore range enhancements, buffs and debuffs.
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Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
no, basically anything with a melee tag on it wont take range enhances
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There used to be a Cone Range Enhancement. They finally realized it was silly, and merged it with the Range enhancement.
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Originally Posted by Garielle
I have often thought about how useful it would be if there was a separate "AoE" enhancement that increased the size of an AoE or spread of a cone. Would be nice, but I can't see them adding a new type of enhancement at this point. Could throw a lot of stuff off kilter and may require reworking some of the sets (or at the very least, creation of new ones to include the new enhancement type(s)).
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Range enhancements are really good for cones. Not only do they let you target things further away, but the base of a cone gets wider the longer it gets, even though the angle remains consistant. The wider the cone is, the more extra area the cone covers when it's range enhanced.
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Range enhancements should affect Shield Charge, Lightning Rod, and the upcoming Spring Attack.
I don't think they actually do, but logically they should, since there is a range involved.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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Range does affect Shield Charge and Lightning Rod but only the distance of travel (60'), not the 20' radius of the power.
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Range enhancements should affect Shield Charge, Lightning Rod, and the upcoming Spring Attack.
I don't think they actually do, but logically they should, since there is a range involved. |
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They are affected like any other ranged attack with a spherical AoE at the target location.
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Range enhancements should affect Shield Charge, Lightning Rod, and the upcoming Spring Attack.
I don't think they actually do, but logically they should, since there is a range involved. |
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Except for a few special cases. For example, Knockout Blow accepts range enhancements since it has an inherent range bonus. Which can lead to some funny things when you get enough range boost. The first mission of the Mender Ramiel arc is a good example(Where you get Limitless Radial Freeeem capping your range). You can use KO blow at sniping range in that. |
Originally Posted by Schismatrix
This. A while back melee attacks were specifically flagged to ignore range enhancements, buffs and debuffs.
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Did not know that. |
Originally Posted by ricohdah
Range does affect Shield Charge and Lightning Rod but only the distance of travel (60'), not the 20' radius of the power.
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I was referring to the distance traveled, I know nothing can increase the radius of a PBAoE.
Good to know.
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Originally Posted by Tylerst
Except for a few special cases. For example, Knockout Blow accepts range enhancements since it has an inherent range bonus. Which can lead to some funny things when you get enough range boost. The first mission of the Mender Ramiel arc is a good example(Where you get Limitless Radial Freeeem capping your range). You can use KO blow at sniping range in that.
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I'm fairly certain that you can't slot KO Blow with range enhancements, except via the Hami-O trick (Dam/Range in this case). I don't think Cardiac will boost its range (since it doesn't accept regular range enhancements), but Boost Range (for X/Energy/Leviathan blasters) and +Range set bonuses (From various PVP sets) should work.
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i noticed this when i ran mender ramiels first mish with my ss/wp, i could hit something with KO blow from across the map lol
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Originally Posted by Roderick
I'm fairly certain that you can't slot KO Blow with range enhancements, except via the Hami-O trick (Dam/Range in this case). I don't think Cardiac will boost its range (since it doesn't accept regular range enhancements), but Boost Range (for X/Energy/Leviathan blasters) and +Range set bonuses (From various PVP sets) should work.
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Pretty straightforward. Are any cones affected by range enhancements? All cones? PBAoEs?