New Free For All PvP Zone: 'Death Valley'

I have been thinking about this for a while now...


A new PvP zone accessible for anyone lvl1 to lvl50, Hero, Villain, Rogue, Vigilante and Praetorians. Stay your current level when you are there and have the entrance in Pocket D.
Make it so that anyone can team up with anyone. Example: 2 Heroes, 2 Villains and such on the same team. And anyone can attack anyone, like in Warburg, but have no missions in there at all, just PvP.

Now, the problem most people have is that some servers have less people that like PvP then others. To get around this problem, make this new zone, just one zone, and have anyone from any server go to the same map.
This will also be useful when PvP matches are held, and either the Test server is not usable, or people don't have/want the test server.
Basically making each server a different version of Primal earth and Praetoria.

Ok, i see a problem with names, and here is an idea:
Add home server name to the toon name. Example: Guardian: Nephila, Freedom: Nephila. This way everyone can see what home server people are from. (if anyone has any ideas regarding this, feel free to add them.)

I think this will catch on, and instead of players having to move their toons across servers to settle a 1vs1 argument and therefor losing all prestige earned, we can just stay in our SG/VG, stay on our home server, not worry about losing our toon's name in the time we are gone, and open up PvP for more people.

Yes, there will always be people who will attack the lowbie toon, but, that lowbie toon can call his friends for help, and hey.. we have a good fight!

I have heard in other games it possible to have inter-server maps/missions/teams and such, so it is possible.
Just make this map extra large, simulate Death Valley, CA, this will make the landscape very diverse.

I dunno about the Multi-server part, but I like the idea. Perhaps the no level change part might incite too much munchkinry, however. /sign

I have advocated an FFA zone for some time, still a great idea.

FFA itself, ok.

"Stay your level" - no. Name your time, take a level 1 and I'll meet you with a high level... and you tell me how much fun that was. (And I'm not even a *good* PVPer.) Even Bloody Bay is badly skewed (moreso now with the SSK "+5 level powers" ... meaning you could have a level 15 fighting a level 25 with level 30 powers, without taking slotting, sets, etc. into effect.) There are reasons for the level limits in the current zones. And have them call for help? To who?

In other words, there's the... putting it mildly, *un*popularity of PVP in this game. Historically, it just never really caught on. It was in its heyday pre-I13. Now that we have such massive differences in rules, the way powers react, etc.... yeah. There's almost no interest. I don't think a new FFA zone, even cross server if it were possible, would cure that.

Essentially, you'd have the badgers in in the first week or two to get whatever badges there are to get, and after that I'd expect it to be mostly dead.

I'd be much more behind this (with some tweaks) if PVP were more active and popular overall (and less broken) in this game.

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perhaps it could be programmed to only show as valid targets those who fell within a particular level range relative to you?
so for example, if your level 26, anyone between..say Lv23 and 29 will show up as valid targets, while any under or over that range don't.

this would keep power balances a bit more in check, and it would encourage teaming so lower level characters could get a crack at high level ones.

Before any work is done creating an entire new zone for PvP, you'd need an active PvP population/ interest in, which we do not have.

Before any work is done creating an entire new zone for PvP, they'd need to either revert to pre-i13 rules or come up with something new entirely.

PvP was never popular in this game. I joined a week before Issue 4 introduced Arena's. One of the things that drew me to this game over others was the fact that it had no PvP. Once it was added it was strictly created as being optional for that very reason, a large chunk of us didn't care for it and would've rioted if forced to do so.

After CoV launched, we started getting a serious PvP crowd. All the same, on most servers Siren's and Warburg were desolate zones. My namesake Blaster spent his entire 24 - 28 levels running the repeat missions in Siren's for the extra bonus they (at the time) gave. In the months I flew around the zone I only saw 2 villains. Ever. It was a blast being chased all over the place by a Stalker that was hunting me for a few days, He'd gank me coming out a mission door. I'd then stealth stalk him and wait for my chance. We had the entire zone to ourselves, during primetime, for days...

PvP is dead. No interest from us means no interest from the Dev's. Fact is, something would have been done by now if the PvP crowd was large enough to warrant it. Since PvP is all but ignored by the Dev's we must infer this to mean the vocal PvP crowd is insignificant to the big picture and would thus be a waste of valuable resources.

As an aside, I'd be in favor of turning one of the existing hazard zones into a FFA before I'd ask for an entire new zone dedicated to a small select group of players. Take Boomtown and have it be infected with a toxin that makes everyone go nuts and attack friend and foe alike, but you have to risk it to do X.

A level 50 Free For All and/or Cross-Server PvP zone has been asked for as long as I can remember, and I have been PvPing since i3 beta. Obviously im supportive of the general idea as a whole, FFA/being able to team with whomever sounds very fun. I believe the zone should be max level. Also I don't know how feasible it would be having a Cross-Server type zone, but sounds awesome regardless.

Pleanty of us play strictly for the PvP, but that does not warrent us to say no to every single addition we do not like or would not currently use. I don't care about half the stuff they add, but someone else might like it, I don't go out of my way on the forums to bash a player-base how small or minute they may be. PvP has been apart of this game for a very long time, if your not over it by now, I don't know what to say other than get over it we are not going anywhere. Just because we don't have the vocal majority here on the forums does not mean we are shunned from new shiney game additions.

In before the rest of the people claiming the PvP population is non-existant. Seriously? It's clearly not as bad as some of you PvE forum lurkers claim it to be. RV always has people available, any time night or day. Arena Kickballs (Style of picking with 2 team leaders picking until teams are filled) are started almost every single night, we actually had to up the user numbers on ventrilo.

The PvP community also has PvP leagues often, started the year with the FML league on freedom, then we had a C.A.P.E. league on champion, and are currently starting another Freedom PvP league that looks promising. The PvP community deserves new stuff, regardless if you support it or not.

Why not be supportive and come up with better ways to do things rather than bring up random population percentages that mean nothing. Thanks.

It's not bashing a particular group because they are in the minority. It's pointing out the fact that, from the companies view, The manpower/hours and resources would be more profitable being spent on other areas.

They are the only ones with actual numbers concerning this. They are the only ones who can decide if it's worth it. Since they haven't it becomes apparent that you are, in fact, such a small percentage that it's a non-issue to them. I'm sorry if that hurts your feelings. Being left out is never fun.

Point of fact. Nobody in this thread has been negative towards those that like PvP. That's a kneejerk reaction based on your perception. The PvP crowd is shunned in most areas of the forums, so you assume anytime it's mentioned it's negative. Re-read the thread and you'll see most of us in support of the suggestion, while offering up alternatives and laying our facts about the history of PvP in this game. View that as bashing if you want, that's your call.

I'm passively hoping the repeated 'No comment's about PvP and Bases at various cons means that stuff is now on at least the mid-burner when it comes to work. Maybe not Soon™ but Soonish.

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Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

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It'd be nice to see PvP get some love.

I'm not going to hold my breath on it though.

I dislike some PvPers attitudes, but most of the ones I've actually met in-game were decent enough. (A few jerks here and there, but you'll find that anywhere)

I rarely PvP these days, maybe I would do so more often if it got some attention.

Oh, and HELL NO to the whole "stay your own level" thing. Even if you can't target them, you can still kill them with an AoE power. It'd be far too griefable.

I can see it now: a level 50 attacks another 50, and just before the other 50 returns fire the attacker joins the team that he left the invite window open for, suddenly he's level 20 and can't be targeted by the person he attacked. People would do that all the time, it would let you attack people pretty much with impunity and join a lower level team so they can't hit you back. They'd just keep hopping on and off of teams in the zone so their intended target would never be able to effectively fight back.

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Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

Years back I tried PvP and got tired of dying to the Stalkers every other heartbeat. Since then they have made it a bit easier to survive that first hit, but Stalkers still own PvP every time I have tried.

Still though, I would love to try an FFA zone where everyone at least has a fighting chance.

I see people worried about the 'Stay your current level' part, and i totally understand that.

But see it this way:
Most PvP players have honor, and if you asked to be left alone, ask to fight around your own level, you will be respected.
You are not alone in there, and there are more people who fight with honor, than there are who just wanna rip the lowbie. Meaning, there will always be people in that zone to put that person in place. See i as a form of primal justice.

This idea will allow people to fight matches at any level, making it a little more fun.

Also..
I have proven in the past that level matters, but knowing your toon matters more.
My Tank, at level 35 went into the Arena against a lvl 50 Scrapper.
I played my toon, the other toon was PL'd... Guess who won?

I have seen the suggestion if fighting max 5 levels below to max 5 levels above your current level. This can be set as an option to even the playing field if needed.

Also, to be honest, i do not want to see toons get the same PvP layer as other PvP zones. Just make it a PvP zone to get the PvP bonuses, but keep the PvE zone type.
I hate that toons get nerfed way diff in a PvP zone compared to a PvE zone, and they should not change it when entering 'Death Valley'.
My Elec/NRG blaster has no issues with endurance in PvE, yet he does in PvP zones, and i hate that nerf. And i know most of you know more of these nerfs to your toons you hate.
But this is just my opinion tho.

It was definitely more than 5%. Another thing to note is many of those players also had several accounts. It wasn't a good loss either way.

I personally never cared for pvp in this game and think its even worse now. But that's just me.