Best build for a Fire/Kin to farm with.

Final Overlord · 08-19-2011 06:54 AM

I've always played with melee characters and I got my first Fire/Kin to 50 a few weeks ago. Unfortunately i don't know much about the build of controllers but i'm looking for the hands down best build for a Fire/Kin to farm with. Influence is no problem, any IO's or PVP IO's are affordable for this build to work the best it can.

Bionic_Flea · 08-19-2011 07:06 AM

Look for the thread by Fire Kin Master.

There are lots of builds in there for farming. Choose one NOT designed by Fire Kin Master.

50s: Inv/SS PB Emp/Dark Grav/FF DM/Regen TA/A Sonic/Elec MA/Regen Fire/Kin Sonic/Rad Ice/Kin Crab Fire/Cold NW Merc/Dark Emp/Sonic Rad/Psy Emp/Ice WP/DB FA/SM

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Final Overlord · 08-24-2011 10:00 AM

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.942
http://www.cohplanner.com/
Click this DataLink to open the build!
Final Decree: Level 50 Magic Controller
Primary Power Set: Fire Control
Secondary Power Set: Kinetics
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Fire Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Char

(A) Apocalypse - Damage: Level 50
(3) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50

Level 1: Transfusion

(A) Doctored Wounds - Heal: Level 50
(3) Doctored Wounds - Recharge: Level 50
(31) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Recharge: Level 50
(31) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance: Level 50
(33) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50

Level 2: Fire Cages

(A) Ragnarok - Damage: Level 50
(5) Ragnarok - Damage/Recharge: Level 50
(27) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge: Level 50
(29) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50
(31) Ragnarok - Damage/Endurance: Level 50
(45) Ragnarok - Chance for Knockdown: Level 50

Level 4: Siphon Power

(A) Accuracy IO: Level 50
(5) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50

Level 6: Combat Jumping

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed: Level 50
(7) Luck of the Gambler - Defense: Level 50

Level 8: Hot Feet

(A) Eradication - Chance for Energy Damage: Level 30
(9) Scirocco's Dervish - Chance of Damage(Lethal): Level 50
(9) Obliteration - Chance for Smashing Damage: Level 50
(21) Fury of the Gladiator - Chance for Res Debuff: Level 50
(23) Armageddon - Chance for Fire Damage: Level 50
(25) Armageddon - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge: Level 50

Level 10: Siphon Speed

(A) Accuracy IO: Level 50

Level 12: Flashfire

(A) Absolute Amazement - Chance for ToHit Debuff: Level 50
(13) Absolute Amazement - Endurance/Stun: Level 50
(34) Absolute Amazement - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50
(34) Absolute Amazement - Accuracy/Stun/Recharge: Level 50
(34) Absolute Amazement - Stun/Recharge: Level 50
(36) Absolute Amazement - Stun: Level 50

Level 14: Super Jump

(A) Jumping IO: Level 50

Level 16: Hasten

(A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
(17) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
(45) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50

Level 18: Cinders

(A) Unbreakable Constraint - Chance for Smashing Damage: Level 50
(19) Unbreakable Constraint - Hold: Level 50
(42) Unbreakable Constraint - Hold/Recharge: Level 50
(43) Unbreakable Constraint - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50

Level 20: Kick

(A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage: Level 35
(42) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance: Level 35
(45) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge: Level 35
(50) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge: Level 35

Level 22: Tough

(A) Gladiator's Armor - Resistance: Level 50
(23) Gladiator's Armor - Resistance/Rech/End: Level 50
(39) Gladiator's Armor - End/Resist: Level 50
(40) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All): Level 50
(40) Gladiator's Armor - Recharge/Endurance: Level 50
(40) Gladiator's Armor - Recharge/Resist: Level 50

Level 24: Weave

(A) Shield Wall - +Res (Teleportation), +3% Res (All): Level 50
(25) Shield Wall - Defense: Level 50
(36) Shield Wall - Defense/Endurance: Level 50
(37) Shield Wall - Defense/Recharge: Level 50
(37) Shield Wall - Endurance/Recharge: Level 50
(37) Shield Wall - Defense/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50

Level 26: Boxing

(A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage: Level 35
(27) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance: Level 35
(43) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge: Level 35
(43) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge: Level 35

Level 28: Maneuvers

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed: Level 50
(29) Luck of the Gambler - Defense: Level 50

Level 30: Tactics

(A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up: Level 50

Level 32: Fire Imps

(A) Edict of the Master - Defense Bonus: Level 40
(33) Sovereign Right - Resistance Bonus: Level 50
(33) Soulbound Allegiance - Damage: Level 50
(46) Soulbound Allegiance - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge: Level 50
(46) Soulbound Allegiance - Damage/Recharge: Level 50
(46) Soulbound Allegiance - Damage/Endurance: Level 50

Level 35: Transference

(A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
(36) Accuracy IO: Level 50

Level 38: Fulcrum Shift

(A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
(39) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
(39) Accuracy IO: Level 50

Level 41: Fire Ball

(A) Javelin Volley - Chance of Damage(Lethal): Level 50
(42) Javelin Volley - Accuracy/Damage: Level 50

Level 44: Fire Shield

(A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%: Level 30
(50) Aegis - Psionic/Status Resistance: Level 50

Level 47: Consume

(A) Armageddon - Damage: Level 50
(48) Armageddon - Damage/Recharge: Level 50
(48) Armageddon - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50
(48) Armageddon - Damage/Endurance: Level 50

Level 49: Vengeance

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed: Level 50
(50) Luck of the Gambler - Defense: Level 50

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Level 1: Brawl

(A) Damage Increase IO: Level 50

Level 1: Containment
Level 1: Sprint

(A) Run Speed IO: Level 50

Level 2: Rest

(A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50

Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift

(A) Run Speed IO: Level 50

Level 2: Health

(A) Panacea - +Hit Points/Endurance: Level 50
(7) Miracle - +Recovery: Level 40
(13) Miracle - Heal: Level 40
(15) Numina's Convalescence - Heal: Level 40
(21) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery: Level 50

Level 2: Hurdle

(A) Jumping IO: Level 50

Level 2: Stamina

(A) Performance Shifter - EndMod: Level 50
(11) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Recharge: Level 50
(11) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50
(15) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Accuracy: Level 50
(17) Performance Shifter - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50
(19) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End: Level 50

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Set Bonus Totals:

9% DamageBuff(Smashing)
9% DamageBuff(Lethal)
9% DamageBuff(Fire)
9% DamageBuff(Cold)
9% DamageBuff(Energy)
9% DamageBuff(Negative)
9% DamageBuff(Toxic)
9% DamageBuff(Psionic)
5% Defense
13.5% Defense(Smashing)
13.5% Defense(Lethal)
7.56% Defense(Fire)
7.56% Defense(Cold)
7.25% Defense(Energy)
7.25% Defense(Negative)
6% Defense(Psionic)
9.75% Defense(Melee)
8.5% Defense(Ranged)
9.13% Defense(AoE)
47.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
60% Enhancement(Accuracy)
4% Enhancement(Heal)
5% FlySpeed
125.9 HP (12.4%) HitPoints
5% JumpHeight
5% JumpSpeed
Knockback (Mag -3)
Knockup (Mag -3)
MezResist(Immobilize) 5.5%
MezResist(Terrorized) 2.2%
29.5% (0.49 End/sec) Recovery
84% (3.56 HP/sec) Regeneration
13% Resistance(Smashing)
24.3% Resistance(Fire)
24.3% Resistance(Cold)
14.9% Resistance(Energy)
14.9% Resistance(Negative)
26.2% Resistance(Toxic)
19.2% Resistance(Psionic)
13% Resistance(Lethal)
5% RunSpeed

This is the build i'm currently heading towards, Is there anything i missed or is this a pretty good build?

UnicyclePeon · 08-24-2011 02:57 PM

I dont have any builds handy (I am browsing on my mobile) but I suggest that you make a cheap build. You shouldnt need to spend any serious money to softcap s/l defense and get a wee bit of recharge. Fire/kin/stone. Done.

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Bionic_Flea · 08-24-2011 03:19 PM

I estimate that it would cost over 12 billion in influence. You have 3 PvPIO uniques that each go for 2 billion on the market and frequently sell for more than that outside of the market. And then you have complete sets of Gladiator's armor and Shield wall and multiple purple sets.

For all that, you have decent recharge, but low HP, about 1/2 way to soft-capping defense on any position or type but none actually soft-caps.

You stuck a bunch of procs on hot feet, which is fine, but it has no endurance reduction. Hot feet is one of the most expensive toggles in the game. If you run hot feet and your leadership and defensive toggles you will probably find yourself without endurance after fulcrum shift and a few aoes -- probably before transference is up again.

You could rely on your self-heal, but that requires hitting an enemy and you have no accuracy slotted into it.

In short, my friend, your build has many pretty, shiney, expensive things but it does not seem to have any cohesive plan for survivabilty.

It is the Lil John of Fire/Kins.

50s: Inv/SS PB Emp/Dark Grav/FF DM/Regen TA/A Sonic/Elec MA/Regen Fire/Kin Sonic/Rad Ice/Kin Crab Fire/Cold NW Merc/Dark Emp/Sonic Rad/Psy Emp/Ice WP/DB FA/SM

Overlord of Dream Team and Nightmare Squad

Bionic_Flea · 08-24-2011 03:27 PM

Compare that to Fury Flechette's build on the page that I referred you to:

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.942
http://www.cohplanner.com/

Click this DataLink to open the build!

Fire Kin Farming: Level 50 Mutation Controller
Primary Power Set: Fire Control
Secondary Power Set: Kinetics
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Stone Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Char

(A) Neuronic Shutdown - Accuracy/Recharge
(3) Neuronic Shutdown - Endurance/Hold
(7) Neuronic Shutdown - Accuracy/Endurance
(15) Neuronic Shutdown - Hold/Range
(39) Neuronic Shutdown - Accuracy/Hold/Recharge
(40) Neuronic Shutdown - Chance of Damage(Psionic)

Level 1: Transfusion

(A) Touch of the Nictus - Healing
(5) Touch of the Nictus - Heal/HitPoints/Regeneration/Recharge
(7) Touch of the Nictus - Accuracy/Healing
(29) Touch of the Nictus - Accuracy/Endurance/Heal/HitPoints/Regeneration
(29) Touch of the Nictus - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge

Level 2: Fire Cages

(A) Gravitational Anchor - Immobilize/Recharge
(3) Gravitational Anchor - Accuracy/Immobilize/Recharge
(5) Gravitational Anchor - Accuracy/Recharge
(15) Gravitational Anchor - Immobilize/Endurance
(34) Gravitational Anchor - Chance for Hold
(40) Endurance Reduction IO

Level 4: Siphon Power

(A) Accuracy IO

Level 6: Combat Jumping

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
(46) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed

Level 8: Hot Feet

(A) Armageddon - Damage
(9) Armageddon - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(9) Armageddon - Accuracy/Recharge
(17) Armageddon - Damage/Endurance
(37) Armageddon - Chance for Fire Damage
(40) Endurance Reduction IO

Level 10: Siphon Speed

(A) Curtail Speed - Accuracy/Slow
(11) Curtail Speed - Range/Slow
(11) Curtail Speed - Accuracy/Endurance
(43) Curtail Speed - Endurance/Recharge/Slow
(50) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 12: Flashfire

(A) Absolute Amazement - Stun/Recharge
(13) Absolute Amazement - Accuracy/Stun/Recharge
(13) Absolute Amazement - Accuracy/Recharge
(17) Absolute Amazement - Endurance/Stun
(46) Absolute Amazement - Chance for ToHit Debuff

Level 14: Swift

(A) Run Speed IO

Level 16: Health

(A) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery
(48) Regenerative Tissue - +Regeneration
(50) Miracle - +Recovery
(50) Miracle - Heal

Level 18: Boxing

(A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage
(19) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance
(19) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge
(34) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge

Level 20: Stamina

(A) Performance Shifter - EndMod
(21) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End
(21) Endurance Modification IO

Level 22: Tough

(A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/Endurance
(23) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
(23) Steadfast Protection - Knockback Protection

Level 24: Hasten

(A) Recharge Reduction IO
(25) Recharge Reduction IO
(25) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 26: Weave

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
(27) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
(27) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed

Level 28: Inertial Reduction

(A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points)

Level 30: Cinders

(A) Unbreakable Constraint - Hold/Recharge
(31) Unbreakable Constraint - Accuracy/Hold/Recharge
(31) Unbreakable Constraint - Accuracy/Recharge
(31) Unbreakable Constraint - Endurance/Hold
(34) Unbreakable Constraint - Chance for Smashing Damage

Level 32: Fire Imps

(A) Call to Arms - Accuracy/Recharge
(33) Call to Arms - Accuracy/Damage
(33) Call to Arms - Damage/Endurance
(33) Call to Arms - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge

Level 35: Transference

(A) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod
(36) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Recharge
(36) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Accuracy/Recharge
(36) Efficacy Adaptor - Accuracy/Recharge
(37) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Accuracy
(37) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Endurance

Level 38: Fulcrum Shift

(A) Accuracy IO
(39) Recharge Reduction IO
(39) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 41: Fissure

(A) Ragnarok - Damage/Recharge
(42) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(42) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Recharge
(42) Ragnarok - Damage/Endurance
(43) Ragnarok - Damage
(43) Force Feedback - Chance for +Recharge

Level 44: Seismic Smash

(A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage
(45) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance
(45) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge
(45) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(46) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Recharge

Level 47: Rock Armor

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
(48) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
(48) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed

Level 49: Earth's Embrace

(A) Recharge Reduction IO

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Level 1: Brawl

(A) Accuracy IO

Level 1: Sprint

(A) Endurance Reduction IO

Level 2: Rest

(A) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 1: Containment
Level 14: LEGACY BUILD
Level 4: Ninja Run

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PS. Since this is an old build from before getting fitness as inherent powers, you could add in speed boost, increase density, and super speed so that you could be a better team mate when not farming. All three could be beneficial with just the base slot. Generic endurance modification for SB, resistance for ID, and endurance for SS. And if you ever get that gladiator's armor +3% defense, you could slot it in ID.

It is soft capped to smash and lethal, the most common of attack types, uses about half the endurance, has more recharge, and is cheaper by about half, if not more.

50s: Inv/SS PB Emp/Dark Grav/FF DM/Regen TA/A Sonic/Elec MA/Regen Fire/Kin Sonic/Rad Ice/Kin Crab Fire/Cold NW Merc/Dark Emp/Sonic Rad/Psy Emp/Ice WP/DB FA/SM

Overlord of Dream Team and Nightmare Squad

Master_Templar · 08-24-2011 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UnicyclePeon

I dont have any builds handy (I am browsing on my mobile) but I suggest that you make a cheap build. You shouldnt need to spend any serious money to softcap s/l defense and get a wee bit of recharge. Fire/kin/stone. Done.

Agreed. It is easy to hit S/L cap without any purples or PVP IOs. They are not necessary. Just hit the cap, throw rest into recharge and use /Stone epic to smash things. It's just that good.

Best,
MT

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UnicyclePeon · 08-24-2011 07:01 PM

I have a couple of builds here. I only have the Mids Data conveniently accessible, but I see the OP has Mids, so I'll post them.

The first one is a slightly more expensive build, but the LOTG and the 2 Basilisk Gaze sets and the Miracle are absolutely optional. Also, since you could do tips for those recipes, it is still not that bad. The only item that is costly that you need to hit the soft cap would be the 4 kinetic combats. This build is the build i eventually morphed my dirt cheap build into once I had a bit of spare cash from farming. But compared to most builds I see people post, its still affordable, esp if you do tips.

The second one is a super super dirt CHEAP build which does not have Cinders, but it is a lot more affordable. I did lots of farming on that build. You don't need any more recharge than that, and it is soft capped.

Anyway, keep in mind that a Fire/Kin/Stone can farm well on the dirt cheap. You dont need a ton of recharge. Frankly, you dont need any defense, tho if you have no defense, you spend a lot more time healing and have more issues opening on groups. But I highly recommend my super dirt cheap.

Don't spend money on your farm build; MAKE money on your farm build, and spend it somewhere else.

Again, sorry that I only have the raw data chunks. I use Macs, and my Mids is on another computer right now. I just happened to have these chunks in a convenient place.

Happy farming!

Lewis

MORE EXPENSIVE BUILD (I took Bonfire but you could take Smoke)

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CHEAPER BUILD WITHOUT CINDERS (has both Smoke and Bonfire):

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Necromatic · 08-24-2011 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Final Overlord

I've always played with melee characters and I got my first Fire/Kin to 50 a few weeks ago. Unfortunately i don't know much about the build of controllers but i'm looking for the hands down best build for a Fire/Kin to farm with. Influence is no problem, any IO's or PVP IO's are affordable for this build to work the best it can.

OK, what kind of farming? +4 X8? Smash/lethal or Fire opponents? AE inf, tickets or tips?

If AE smash/lethal, then stone epic is the way to go.

Or, more versatile, fire epic with soft cap range (tough and weave) and hover blasting. This will give you the ability to do both smash/lethal and fire farms.

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Energy_Blaze · 08-24-2011 10:18 PM

http://www.cohplanner.com/mids/downl...4CCA7F889CE546

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crysys

Peacebringers at least got a recent overhaul. They moved up from sucktastic to craptacular.

Final Overlord · 08-25-2011 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Necromatic

OK, what kind of farming? +4 X8? Smash/lethal or Fire opponents? AE inf, tickets or tips?

If AE smash/lethal, then stone epic is the way to go.

Or, more versatile, fire epic with soft cap range (tough and weave) and hover blasting. This will give you the ability to do both smash/lethal and fire farms.

Going to farm mostly AE and hopefully +4/x8

How's this build?

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.942
http://www.cohplanner.com/
Click this DataLink to open the build!
Final Decree: Level 50 Mutation Controller
Primary Power Set: Fire Control
Secondary Power Set: Kinetics
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Stone Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Char

(A) Neuronic Shutdown - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 30
(5) Neuronic Shutdown - Endurance/Hold: Level 30
(17) Neuronic Shutdown - Accuracy/Endurance: Level 30
(19) Neuronic Shutdown - Hold/Range: Level 30
(19) Neuronic Shutdown - Accuracy/Hold/Recharge: Level 30
(21) Neuronic Shutdown - Chance of Damage(Psionic): Level 30

Level 1: Transfusion

(A) Touch of the Nictus - Healing: Level 50
(21) Touch of the Nictus - Accuracy/Healing: Level 50
(37) Touch of the Nictus - Heal/HitPoints/Regeneration/Recharge: Level 50
(37) Touch of the Nictus - Accuracy/Endurance/Heal/HitPoints/Regeneration: Level 50
(39) Touch of the Nictus - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50

Level 2: Fire Cages

(A) Positron's Blast - Chance of Damage(Energy): Level 50
(23) Gravitational Anchor - Immobilize: Level 50
(23) Gravitational Anchor - Immobilize/Recharge: Level 50
(25) Gravitational Anchor - Accuracy/Immobilize/Recharge: Level 50
(25) Gravitational Anchor - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50
(29) Gravitational Anchor - Chance for Hold: Level 50

Level 4: Super Jump

(A) Jumping IO: Level 50

Level 6: Boxing

(A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage: Level 35
(7) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance: Level 35
(7) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge: Level 35
(9) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge: Level 35

Level 8: Kick

(A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage: Level 30
(9) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance: Level 35
(11) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge: Level 35
(11) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge: Level 35

Level 10: Hot Feet

(A) Eradication - Chance for Energy Damage: Level 30
(13) Scirocco's Dervish - Chance of Damage(Lethal): Level 50
(13) Obliteration - Chance for Smashing Damage: Level 50
(15) Armageddon - Chance for Fire Damage: Level 50
(15) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50
(17) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50

Level 12: Flashfire

(A) Absolute Amazement - Stun: Level 50
(46) Absolute Amazement - Stun/Recharge: Level 50
(48) Absolute Amazement - Endurance/Stun: Level 50

Level 14: Siphon Speed

(A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50

Level 16: Hasten

(A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
(46) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50

Level 18: Tough

(A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%: Level 30
(40) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All): Level 50

Level 20: Weave

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed: Level 50
(40) Luck of the Gambler - Defense: Level 50
(48) Shield Wall - +Res (Teleportation), +3% Res (All): Level 50

Level 22: Siphon Power

(A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50

Level 24: Cinders

(A) Unbreakable Constraint - Hold: Level 50
(40) Unbreakable Constraint - Hold/Recharge: Level 50
(42) Unbreakable Constraint - Accuracy/Hold/Recharge: Level 50
(42) Unbreakable Constraint - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50
(43) Unbreakable Constraint - Endurance/Hold: Level 50

Level 26: Flurry

(A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage: Level 35
(27) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance: Level 35
(27) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge: Level 35
(29) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge: Level 35

Level 28: Maneuvers

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed: Level 50

Level 30: Tactics

(A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up: Level 50

Level 32: Fire Imps

(A) Edict of the Master - Defense Bonus: Level 40
(33) Sovereign Right - Resistance Bonus: Level 50
(33) Expedient Reinforcement - Resist Bonus Aura for Pets: Level 50
(33) Call to Arms - Defense Bonus Aura for Pets: Level 30
(34) Soulbound Allegiance - Damage: Level 50
(34) Soulbound Allegiance - Damage/Recharge: Level 50

Level 35: Transference

(A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
(48) Endurance Modification IO: Level 50

Level 38: Fulcrum Shift

(A) Accuracy IO: Level 50
(39) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
(39) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50

Level 41: Fissure

(A) Ragnarok - Damage/Endurance: Level 50
(42) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50
(43) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge: Level 50
(43) Ragnarok - Damage/Recharge: Level 50
(45) Ragnarok - Damage: Level 50
(46) Force Feedback - Chance for +Recharge: Level 50

Level 44: Rock Armor

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed: Level 50
(45) Luck of the Gambler - Defense: Level 50
(45) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance: Level 50

Level 47: Earth's Embrace

(A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50

Level 49: Seismic Smash

(A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage: Level 35
(50) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance: Level 35
(50) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge: Level 35
(50) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge: Level 35

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Level 1: Brawl

(A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage: Level 35
(3) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance: Level 35
(3) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge: Level 35
(5) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge: Level 35

Level 1: Containment
Level 1: Sprint

(A) Run Speed IO: Level 50

Level 2: Rest

(A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50

Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift

(A) Run Speed IO: Level 50

Level 2: Health

(A) Regenerative Tissue - +Regeneration: Level 30
(31) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery: Level 50
(31) Miracle - +Recovery: Level 40
(31) Miracle - Heal: Level 40

Level 2: Hurdle

(A) Jumping IO: Level 50

Level 2: Stamina

(A) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Accuracy: Level 50
(34) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Recharge: Level 50
(36) Performance Shifter - EndMod: Level 50
(36) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End: Level 50
(36) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50
(37) Performance Shifter - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50

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Set Bonus Totals:

2.5% DamageBuff(Smashing)
2.5% DamageBuff(Lethal)
2.5% DamageBuff(Fire)
2.5% DamageBuff(Cold)
2.5% DamageBuff(Energy)
2.5% DamageBuff(Negative)
2.5% DamageBuff(Toxic)
2.5% DamageBuff(Psionic)
10% Defense
26% Defense(Smashing)
26% Defense(Lethal)
7.56% Defense(Fire)
7.56% Defense(Cold)
6% Defense(Energy)
6% Defense(Negative)
6% Defense(Psionic)
17.9% Defense(Melee)
6% Defense(Ranged)
9.13% Defense(AoE)
2.25% Max End
5% Enhancement(Heal)
2% Enhancement(Held)
61% Enhancement(Accuracy)
52.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
5% FlySpeed
125.9 HP (12.4%) HitPoints
5% JumpHeight
5% JumpSpeed
MezResist(Immobilize) 16%
21% (0.35 End/sec) Recovery
36% (1.53 HP/sec) Regeneration
23% Resistance(Smashing)
33.1% Resistance(Fire)
33.1% Resistance(Cold)
23% Resistance(Energy)
23% Resistance(Negative)
23% Resistance(Toxic)
23% Resistance(Psionic)
23% Resistance(Lethal)
5% RunSpeed

Bionic_Flea · 08-25-2011 09:26 PM

Better, but now you are way over softcap on smash/lethal and transference needs acc.

I would get rid of flurry and the extra slots in brawl. That gives you 6 slots and one power pick. Choose either speed boost, inertial reduction, or superspeed.

Put and acc/dam/end or acc/dam/recharge from any melee set on seismic smash; an acc generic or some endurance mod set with acc in tranference,;a recharge in hasten; an acc in siphon speed; a steadfast KB in tough; and an acc in siphon power.

Or you could copy one of the other builds posted.

50s: Inv/SS PB Emp/Dark Grav/FF DM/Regen TA/A Sonic/Elec MA/Regen Fire/Kin Sonic/Rad Ice/Kin Crab Fire/Cold NW Merc/Dark Emp/Sonic Rad/Psy Emp/Ice WP/DB FA/SM

Overlord of Dream Team and Nightmare Squad

Necromatic · 08-25-2011 09:35 PM

It's about 10 smash/lethal def over the cap. It's a little overkill imho. You would be fine with 45 (even a little -def is not going to hurt too much). You could drop two of those kinetic sets and make your build a lot cheaper and free up a lot of slots for other things like siphon speed, transference, fulcrum shift and earth's embrace.

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Necromatic · 08-25-2011 09:39 PM

I know its plant, but I think it applies more or less (defensively speaking).

It's still a work in progress (game build from sentinel), but with those numbers I can go +4 X8 fire or smash/lethal.

http://www.cohplanner.com/mids/downl...ECFD03836FE956

Dark Bard, Zoobait, Debacle
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chucknorriss
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Final Overlord · 08-26-2011 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bionic_Flea

Better, but now you are way over softcap on smash/lethal and transference needs acc.

I would get rid of flurry and the extra slots in brawl. That gives you 6 slots and one power pick. Choose either speed boost, inertial reduction, or superspeed.

Put and acc/dam/end or acc/dam/recharge from any melee set on seismic smash; an acc generic or some endurance mod set with acc in tranference,;a recharge in hasten; an acc in siphon speed; a steadfast KB in tough; and an acc in siphon power.

Or you could copy one of the other builds posted.

This is very much a learning process for me but i think i'm starting to understand and i believe this is a good build now.

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.942
http://www.cohplanner.com/
Click this DataLink to open the build!
Final Decree: Level 50 Mutation Controller
Primary Power Set: Fire Control
Secondary Power Set: Kinetics
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Stone Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Char

(A) Neuronic Shutdown - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 30
(5) Neuronic Shutdown - Endurance/Hold: Level 30
(17) Neuronic Shutdown - Accuracy/Endurance: Level 30
(19) Neuronic Shutdown - Hold/Range: Level 30
(19) Neuronic Shutdown - Accuracy/Hold/Recharge: Level 30
(21) Neuronic Shutdown - Chance of Damage(Psionic): Level 30

Level 1: Transfusion

(A) Touch of the Nictus - Healing: Level 50
(21) Touch of the Nictus - Accuracy/Healing: Level 50
(37) Touch of the Nictus - Heal/HitPoints/Regeneration/Recharge: Level 50
(37) Touch of the Nictus - Accuracy/Endurance/Heal/HitPoints/Regeneration: Level 50
(39) Touch of the Nictus - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50

Level 2: Fire Cages

(A) Positron's Blast - Chance of Damage(Energy): Level 50
(3) Gravitational Anchor - Immobilize/Endurance: Level 50
(3) Gravitational Anchor - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50
(5) Gravitational Anchor - Accuracy/Immobilize/Recharge: Level 50
(23) Gravitational Anchor - Immobilize: Level 50
(23) Gravitational Anchor - Immobilize/Recharge: Level 50

Level 4: Super Jump

(A) Jumping IO: Level 50

Level 6: Boxing

(A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage: Level 35
(7) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance: Level 35
(7) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge: Level 35
(9) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge: Level 35

Level 8: Kick

(A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage: Level 35
(9) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance: Level 35
(11) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge: Level 35
(11) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge: Level 35

Level 10: Hot Feet

(A) Eradication - Chance for Energy Damage: Level 30
(13) Scirocco's Dervish - Chance of Damage(Lethal): Level 50
(13) Obliteration - Chance for Smashing Damage: Level 50
(15) Armageddon - Chance for Fire Damage: Level 50
(15) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50
(17) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50

Level 12: Flashfire

(A) Absolute Amazement - Stun: Level 50
(27) Absolute Amazement - Endurance/Stun: Level 50
(27) Absolute Amazement - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50

Level 14: Siphon Speed

(A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
(48) Accuracy IO: Level 50

Level 16: Hasten

(A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
(42) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
(46) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50

Level 18: Tough

(A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%: Level 30
(40) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All): Level 50
(43) Steadfast Protection - Knockback Protection: Level 30

Level 20: Weave

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed: Level 50
(25) Luck of the Gambler - Defense: Level 50
(29) Shield Wall - +Res (Teleportation), +3% Res (All): Level 50

Level 22: Siphon Power

(A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
(40) Accuracy IO: Level 50

Level 24: Cinders

(A) Unbreakable Constraint - Hold: Level 50
(25) Unbreakable Constraint - Endurance/Hold: Level 50
(29) Unbreakable Constraint - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50
(40) Unbreakable Constraint - Hold/Recharge: Level 50
(42) Unbreakable Constraint - Accuracy/Hold/Recharge: Level 50

Level 26: Speed Boost

(A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points): Level 50

Level 28: Maneuvers

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed: Level 50

Level 30: Tactics

(A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up: Level 50

Level 32: Fire Imps

(A) Edict of the Master - Defense Bonus: Level 40
(33) Sovereign Right - Resistance Bonus: Level 50
(33) Expedient Reinforcement - Resist Bonus Aura for Pets: Level 50
(33) Call to Arms - Defense Bonus Aura for Pets: Level 30
(34) Soulbound Allegiance - Damage: Level 50
(34) Soulbound Allegiance - Damage/Recharge: Level 50

Level 35: Transference

(A) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Accuracy: Level 50
(46) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod: Level 50
(48) Efficacy Adaptor - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50

Level 38: Fulcrum Shift

(A) Accuracy IO: Level 50
(39) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
(39) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50

Level 41: Fissure

(A) Ragnarok - Damage/Endurance: Level 50
(42) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50
(43) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge: Level 50
(43) Ragnarok - Damage/Recharge: Level 50
(45) Ragnarok - Damage: Level 50
(46) Force Feedback - Chance for +Recharge: Level 50

Level 44: Rock Armor

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed: Level 50
(45) Luck of the Gambler - Defense: Level 50
(45) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance: Level 50

Level 47: Seismic Smash

(A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage: Level 35
(48) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance: Level 35
(50) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge: Level 35
(50) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge: Level 35
(50) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge: Level 50

Level 49: Earth's Embrace

(A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50

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Level 1: Brawl

(A) Damage Increase IO: Level 50

Level 1: Containment
Level 1: Sprint

(A) Run Speed IO: Level 50

Level 2: Rest

(A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50

Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift

(A) Run Speed IO: Level 50

Level 2: Health

(A) Regenerative Tissue - +Regeneration: Level 30
(31) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery: Level 50
(31) Miracle - +Recovery: Level 40
(31) Miracle - Heal: Level 40

Level 2: Hurdle

(A) Jumping IO: Level 50

Level 2: Stamina

(A) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Accuracy: Level 50
(34) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Recharge: Level 50
(36) Performance Shifter - EndMod: Level 50
(36) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End: Level 50
(36) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50
(37) Performance Shifter - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50

------------
Set Bonus Totals:

2.5% DamageBuff(Smashing)
2.5% DamageBuff(Lethal)
2.5% DamageBuff(Fire)
2.5% DamageBuff(Cold)
2.5% DamageBuff(Energy)
2.5% DamageBuff(Negative)
2.5% DamageBuff(Toxic)
2.5% DamageBuff(Psionic)
10% Defense
18.5% Defense(Smashing)
18.5% Defense(Lethal)
7.56% Defense(Fire)
7.56% Defense(Cold)
6% Defense(Energy)
6% Defense(Negative)
6% Defense(Psionic)
14.1% Defense(Melee)
6% Defense(Ranged)
9.13% Defense(AoE)
2.25% Max End
52.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
61% Enhancement(Accuracy)
5% Enhancement(Heal)
2% Enhancement(Held)
5% FlySpeed
122.1 HP (12%) HitPoints
5% JumpHeight
5% JumpSpeed
Knockback (Mag -8)
Knockup (Mag -8)
MezResist(Immobilize) 10.5%
24% (0.4 End/sec) Recovery
36% (1.53 HP/sec) Regeneration
23% Resistance(Smashing)
33.1% Resistance(Fire)
33.1% Resistance(Cold)
23% Resistance(Energy)
23% Resistance(Negative)
23% Resistance(Toxic)
23% Resistance(Psionic)
23% Resistance(Lethal)
5% RunSpeed

Bionic_Flea · 08-26-2011 03:45 PM

Looks pretty good.

I still think that you have over 4 billion (the two PVPIOs) that you don't need. But luckily you are still over the softcap without them. That makes them something nice to have one day but not at all necessary.

50s: Inv/SS PB Emp/Dark Grav/FF DM/Regen TA/A Sonic/Elec MA/Regen Fire/Kin Sonic/Rad Ice/Kin Crab Fire/Cold NW Merc/Dark Emp/Sonic Rad/Psy Emp/Ice WP/DB FA/SM

Overlord of Dream Team and Nightmare Squad

evil women for pinn · 08-26-2011 03:56 PM

im sry but your slotting this akwardly instead of holds and stuns use AoE sets your slotting like you only want to stun or disorient. controllers need more damage not more holding take out some of those hold crap in fire cages on fire cages its not disorienting and they can still it you.

evil women for pinn · 08-26-2011 04:00 PM

and honestly so what if they arent held in the thing 24.7 its no like they can't hit you like those fissure and seismic smash are melee. so its a much better idea and for holding use cinders or the cool flashfire and you NEED bonfires damage.

Bionic_Flea · 08-26-2011 05:57 PM

A farming kin doesn't need more damage in its attacks because it will cap damage with fulcrum shift and then can keep it capped.

50s: Inv/SS PB Emp/Dark Grav/FF DM/Regen TA/A Sonic/Elec MA/Regen Fire/Kin Sonic/Rad Ice/Kin Crab Fire/Cold NW Merc/Dark Emp/Sonic Rad/Psy Emp/Ice WP/DB FA/SM

Overlord of Dream Team and Nightmare Squad

evil women for pinn · 08-27-2011 11:54 AM

okay well the average fire/kin does about 20 damage off of fire cages. now you have activated fulcrum shift you get about an average 200% plus damage but 60 dam on bosses isn't takeing you anywhere. We all know that

Chaos Creator · 08-27-2011 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evil women for pinn

and honestly so what if they arent held in the thing 24.7 its no like they can't hit you like those fissure and seismic smash are melee. so its a much better idea and for holding use cinders or the cool flashfire and you NEED bonfires damage.

Quote:

Originally Posted by evil women for pinn

okay well the average fire/kin does about 20 damage off of fire cages. now you have activated fulcrum shift you get about an average 200% plus damage but 60 dam on bosses isn't takeing you anywhere. We all know that

Honestly you don't know a da** thing about farming shut up.

Re: Most recent build
I'd rather try this. Which is your last attempt with a few changes.

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.942
http://www.cohplanner.com/

Click this DataLink to open the build!

Final Decree: Level 50 Mutation Controller
Primary Power Set: Fire Control
Secondary Power Set: Kinetics
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Stone Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Char -- NrncSD-Acc/Rchg(A), NrncSD-EndRdx/Hold(3), NrncSD-Acc/EndRdx(3), NrncSD-Hold/Rng(5), NrncSD-Acc/Hold/Rchg(5), NrncSD-Dam%(7)
Level 1: Transfusion -- Nictus-Heal(A), Nictus-Acc/Heal(7), Nictus-Heal/HP/Regen/Rchg(9), Nictus-Acc/EndRdx/Heal/HP/Regen(9), Nictus-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(11)
Level 2: Fire Cages -- Posi-Dam%(A), GravAnch-Immob/EndRdx(11), GravAnch-Acc/Rchg(13), GravAnch-Acc/Immob/Rchg(13), GravAnch-Hold%(15), GravAnch-Immob/Rchg(15)
Level 4: Super Jump -- Jump-I(A)
Level 6: Boxing -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(23), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(23), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(25)
Level 8: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(25)
Level 10: Hot Feet -- Erad-%Dam(A), Sciroc-Dam%(27), Oblit-%Dam(27), Armgdn-Dam%(29), EndRdx-I(29), EndRdx-I(31)
Level 12: Flashfire -- Amaze-Stun(A), Amaze-EndRdx/Stun(31), Amaze-Acc/Rchg(31), Amaze-Stun/Rchg(33), Amaze-Acc/Stun/Rchg(33)
Level 14: Siphon Speed -- RechRdx-I(A), Acc-I(33)
Level 16: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(34), RechRdx-I(34)
Level 18: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), GA-3defTpProc(34), S'fstPrt-ResKB(36)
Level 20: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(36), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(50)
Level 22: Siphon Power -- RechRdx-I(A), Acc-I(36)
Level 24: Cinders -- UbrkCons-Dam%(A), UbrkCons-EndRdx/Hold(37), UbrkCons-Acc/Rchg(37), UbrkCons-Hold/Rchg(37), UbrkCons-Acc/Hold/Rchg(39)
Level 26: Speed Boost -- Zephyr-ResKB(A)
Level 28: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(39), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(50)
Level 30: Tactics -- GSFC-Build%(A)
Level 32: Fire Imps -- EdctM'r-PetDef(A), SvgnRt-PetResDam(39), ExRmnt-+Res(Pets)(40), C'Arms-+Def(Pets)(40), S'bndAl-Dmg(40), S'bndAl-Dmg/Rchg(42)
Level 35: Transference -- Efficacy-EndMod/Acc(A), Efficacy-EndMod(42), Efficacy-Acc/Rchg(42)
Level 38: Fulcrum Shift -- Acc-I(A), RechRdx-I(43), EndRdx-I(43)
Level 41: Fissure -- Ragnrk-Dmg/EndRdx(A), Ragnrk-Acc/Rchg(43), Ragnrk-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(45), Ragnrk-Dmg/Rchg(45), Ragnrk-Dmg(45), FrcFbk-Rechg%(46)
Level 44: Rock Armor -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(46), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(46)
Level 47: Seismic Smash -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(48), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(48), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(48), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(50)
Level 49: Earth's Embrace -- RechRdx-I(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Dmg-I(A)
Level 1: Containment
Level 1: Sprint -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- RgnTis-Regen+(A), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(17), Mrcl-Rcvry+(17), Mrcl-Heal(19)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(19), P'Shift-EndMod(21), P'Shift-End%(21)

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Pinkpup · 08-27-2011 04:00 PM

Try to keep your build as cheap as possible, because you should be farming for purples with it... not influence, or AE tickets. A SS/FA brute is much better at the last two, so best not waste your time.

/Empaths can turn three people into Jesus, one person into God, and everyone else into the twelve apostles.~Angry_Citizen

Don't you know that discussion of power selection/slotting can ONLY be based on hearsay, rumor, idle speculation, and bald-faced lies??!? ~Elf_Sniper

Final Overlord · 08-27-2011 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evil women for pinn

and honestly so what if they arent held in the thing 24.7 its no like they can't hit you like those fissure and seismic smash are melee. so its a much better idea and for holding use cinders or the cool flashfire and you NEED bonfires damage.

Bonfire does nice damage but it also has KB that I don't want while farming, and the damage bonus from FS will be greater than that.