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I'd like to propose a forum specifically designed to discuss farming and farming builds.

It seems some of the AT specific forums get bogged down with farming chat. Removing farming threads from AT forums, along with other areas, would allow posters to navigate the forums with more efficiency.

So, adding a Farming Forum would create the following pros:

1. Unclutter other forums to allow better viewing and posting of AT or forum specific posts/threads

2. Consolidate farming posts/threads to one area for easier viewing and commenting.

Cons:

1. It further confirms that the developers are not against 'farming' and actually support it to an extent (farming 'ok', exploits bad).

Right now, the name of this forum is Farming but that is obviously just a placeholder and would require a more creative name to not offend the farm-averse forumites.

While I'm aware this might not be a popular suggestion, I figured it was worth the time and effort to see if anyone else agrees with the idea, disagrees with the idea, and/or has some additional suggestions to make the idea more sound.

Thanks for your time.


 

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I'd suggest that you're living in a dream world if you think it'd actually consolidate the farming threads, to be blunt.

And personally I'd hate to see the forum-storm when the next exploit gets smacked down if such a subsection existed.

(Personally, I don't care if it did exist - I wouldn't bother with it, any more than I bother with the market section.)


 

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Farming isn't everything, it the lease thing on people minds, most of the time, not everyone is a farmer.

Farming is an Exploit and do you really want the dev to be aware of these Exploits on a daily day.


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Farming isn't everything, it the lease thing on people minds, most of the time, not everyone is a farmer.

Farming is an Exploit and do you really want the dev to be aware of these Exploits on a daily day.
I love that you wrote this, thought about it for 10 minutes, decided to edit it, and yet kept all the wrong in.


 

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Farming isn't everything, it the lease thing on people minds, most of the time, not everyone is a farmer.

Farming is an Exploit and do you really want the dev to be aware of these Exploits on a daily day.
Saying all farming is an exploit is like saying all dogs are French Poodles because all French Poodles are dogs.


 

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I am not opposed to it, but I think Bill is right. How many times is a player told in archetypes general to visit their specific archetypes subforum.

I dont think that farmers should feel like roaches and have to scatter every time the light goes on. Its just as valid a playstyle as badging, marketing, rping or lolpvping.


 

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While an interesting idea, I just don't think it is a wise idea.


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Farming isn't everything, it the lease thing on people minds, most of the time, not everyone is a farmer.

Farming is an Exploit and do you really want the dev to be aware of these Exploits on a daily day.
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Farming is an Exploit


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Thanks for the feedback so far. I understand it's a touchy subject since there are some people that can't differentiate farming and using exploits to game the system.

It would just help consolidate posts/subjects into one area rather than spread across the forums. I was hoping with the addition of the Trials that the term 'farming' would be less of a herpe on the face of CoH (ewww at that analogy, what the hell is wrong with meh brainses). But, I understand nonetheless.

Since this is For Fun and all...anyone have any clever names for such a forum?

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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill View Post
I'd suggest that you're living in a dream world if you think it'd actually consolidate the farming threads, to be blunt.

And personally I'd hate to see the forum-storm when the next exploit gets smacked down if such a subsection existed.

(Personally, I don't care if it did exist - I wouldn't bother with it, any more than I bother with the market section.)
I'm somewhere between that OP and this. If you thumb through the Brute forums, which constantly has someone asking for the BEST FARMER BUILD (despite threads already containing as much in their title), you'd like nothing more than to have it all congealed into one giant mass and shoved away in its own place. On the other hand, that much "SS/Fire iz teh bezt" in one spot might actually open a black hole on the interwebs.


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I love that you wrote this, thought about it for 10 minutes, decided to edit it, and yet kept all the wrong in.
Seriously considering putting this in a sig.


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I agree with the people saying no. While Farming is a valid form of play it doesn't really need it's own forum.


 

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First off, I'll say that I don't really care one way or the other if a Farming forum exists.

But, you're a little delusional if you expect the devs to devote a forum section to an activity they don't approve of.

The devs disapprove of farming in general, but they also know that it would be an exercise in futility to try and stamp it out. And if they did try and stamp it out it would hurt the people who play the game the way they intended.

They pretty much gave up on getting rid of farming a while back, evidenced by the fact that they haven't changed any missions or enemy groups in quite a while. But, if they devoted a forum section to it, they would be sending the message that it is an approved activity, and people like GreenFIame would start believing that since they approve of farming now, they also approve of exploiting the game (since many people think the two are the same thing). And if that thought occurred to me, I'm sure it has occurred to them as well.


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But, you're a little delusional if you expect the devs to devote a forum section to an activity they don't approve of.
No need to name call man. This is a suggestion forum. Lighten up. And 'approve of?' I will just say that they may not 'approve' farming yet but that definitely don't disprove of it.

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The devs disapprove of farming in general
Citation needed please. The Incarante Trials are farms. They are dressed up in nice outfits but are just farms.

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They pretty much gave up on getting rid of farming a while back, evidenced by the fact that they haven't changed any missions or enemy groups in quite a while. But, if they devoted a forum section to it, they would be sending the message that it is an approved activity, and people like GreenFIame would start believing that since they approve of farming now, they also approve of exploiting the game (since many people think the two are the same thing). And if that thought occurred to me, I'm sure it has occurred to them as well.
Slippery slope arguments are for chicken little, IMO. Fear shouldn't de-motivate the company from providing an outlet for a playstyle. Iunderstand they don't endorse the AE custom mob farms, but there are numerous methods that remain untouch after many years. Not to mention the addition of the Trials which have to be farmed if the player wants to make any meaningful progression towards Incarnate Abilities.

Basically, I know that farming won't receive it's own forum because of the slippery slope argument you pointed out and the four letter word that is 'farm.' However, I bet, given enough time, that some type of forum will exist. It's only a matter of time IMO.

Thanks again for the discussion everyone, even the troll(s).


 

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Never going to happen.

They tried it with an PWNZ section for Pvp and promptly killed it.


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Never going to happen.

They tried it with an PWNZ section for Pvp and promptly killed it.
Totally not the same thing, but I understand the hesitation by the staff.


 

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Originally Posted by Lycanus View Post
personally the only thing that bugs me about farming is when farmers send me a tell invite and, when I say "farming is boring" continue trying to convince me to join anyway...

it gets aggravating
Instead of baiting them with a snarky remark stating farming is boring, just say "No thanks." When you taunt them you have no one to blame but yourself if they decide to defend their playstyle.


 

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Slippery slope arguments are for chicken little, IMO. Fear shouldn't de-motivate the company from providing an outlet for a playstyle.
It has nothing to do with fear. It's simply a rational business decision.


 

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Instead of baiting them with a snarky remark stating farming is boring, just say "No thanks." When you taunt them you have no one to blame but yourself if they decide to defend their playstyle.
I've found that saying "no thanks" invites "are you sure, it's really good XP" conversations

"farming is boring" at least cuts the conversation to two or three more attempts as adverse bugging me for five minutes....which is admittedly pointing out the worst offender who, for bonus points, told me to quit my RL family/friends team because he was getting good XP with his group and they needed someone to stand in a doorway and do nothing...not in those words exactly, but yes, I told him no thanks, yes I told him already had a team, and yes I told him I was teaming with RL family/friends....and he kept harassing me until I sent a harassment complaint


"farming is boring" bugs people enough that I tend to have shorter problems

I suppose I can be considered bitter with regards to bad experiences with the idiots out there


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I'm all for that, with the caveat that we should still be able to discuss itrials in normal forums.


 

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I've found that saying "no thanks" invites "are you sure, it's really good XP" conversations

"farming is boring" at least cuts the conversation to two or three more attempts as adverse bugging me for five minutes....which is admittedly pointing out the worst offender who, for bonus points, told me to quit my RL family/friends team because he was getting good XP with his group and they needed someone to stand in a doorway and do nothing...not in those words exactly, but yes, I told him no thanks, yes I told him already had a team, and yes I told him I was teaming with RL family/friends....and he kept harassing me until I sent a harassment complaint


"farming is boring" bugs people enough that I tend to have shorter problems

I suppose I can be considered bitter with regards to bad experiences with the idiots out there
Is this a pre or post Super Side Kick experience? I only ask because I cant remember the last time I received a random tell of this nature.


 

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I guess I've been fortunate. When I decline an invite I typically respond with "Not at the moment, but thanks for the invite" or something similar. I've yet to have a discussion about "why not join".

I did have someone try and blind invite me three times. After the third time I sent a tell stating "what part of "no" don't you understand? Their response was that they didn't care about what I thought. /ignore is such a great tool for tools.

As for a farming forum? Don't care either way, but I doubt it would happen.


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I guess I've been fortunate. When I decline an invite I typically respond with "Not at the moment, but thanks for the invite" or something similar. I've yet to have a discussion about "why not join".

I did have someone try and blind invite me three times. After the third time I sent a tell stating "what part of "no" don't you understand? Their response was that they didn't care about what I thought. /ignore is such a great tool for tools.

As for a farming forum? Don't care either way, but I doubt it would happen.
ick...yeah, had that too...guy apparently put one of my characters on friend list and he started being verbally abusive and switching characters as I ignored him claiming to be "X's" friend until I petitioned him

and yeah, most of this was pre the super-sidekicking...my irritation regarding random invites came long before that was developed


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