Freedom Ladder - Fall start date. Seeking Feedback.
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B_Witched,
Posted on: 2011-08-13 19:25 in Everything about PvP
teh fiteclub police.
Yea, matches were way more fun, original, and higher scoring when there were double sonics and the best emps in the game playing
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I do recall quite a few matches where one blaster would have double digit kills and people complaining about running up the score. Villians officials however were generally always low kill scores.
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Originally Posted by doyler_
Yea, matches were way more fun, original, and higher scoring when there were double sonics and the best emps in the game playing
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@-Kurgain
-FAP-Renegades-Whirligig-Velocity-Bedlam
sometimes u didn't have to wait for the match to start to get stacked venge. AP kills....
Don't forget to ban Corr LR too. That **** is dangerous. d;D
Best of luck. ^_^
@Intro lolPvP
Nanu come back!
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Maybe I'm the only one in this camp, but I thought TK and (possibly) Soul Storm were getting banned because they lowered the bar so much for what was required of a team to actually put together enough damage to get a kill. Kind of the same way Veng stacking teams lowered the bar. I've used them, I've had them used against me. I've won with them, I've lost from them. I still think they give a crutch to bad players when it comes to killing targets who would otherwise be solid when it comes to evasion.
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Originally Posted by noubTree
also, on power bans: banning soul storm, tk and all those many things is dumb, you guys should actually look back and see why there were power bans in the pre-i13 ladder. vengeance stacking basically meant that there was no way in hell a team was going to win if they got the first kill and 6-stacked-vengeace on the opposition was the result. back then people died about 3 times as fast as they do now, even with all the incarnate trash, and holds+other mez's actually meant your team could be crippled by a few random stuns if there were two dead emps and everyone was dying at a rate that didn't allow for rebuffing.
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I think we should limit the banning of AT's and certain powers if possible, but if everyone decides no TK for example I will support the majority vote.
The only thing I believe should be limited is incarnates (Except Alpha's, we have used in the past 2 leagues), no lore pets, no reactive, no ****** nuke, no destiny. My opinion of course.
@Midnight Havoc @Ice-GX
I can understand banning certain powers that are "broken" like TK, I'm fine with that.
But I'd hate to see incarnates go. The point of not having incarnates is so ppl who come back on f2p can participate. Well my question would be how many ppl is that? I mean if it means adding an extra two or tree teams to the league, fine. But if not, eff that s*&t. Incarnates ARE part of the game, but again if it means an extra 3 teams then I could understand. So will it rlly make that big of a difference??
Incarnates are broken and horribly unbalanced.
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Originally Posted by Hemmingway
Incarnates are broken and horribly unbalanced.
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Yes I agree, I don't like the idea also of having to grind out t3 or t4 incarnates on my 5-6 PvP toons, all of which may be possibly used in a league. Accolades are bad enough.
@TheKatalyst
My **** is bleeding.
This is not a trial account.
The issue not not only that they are a pain to grind out on multiple toons, but also that they are yet another group of powers that are not even close to balanced to PvP.
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Originally Posted by Hemmingway
This is not a trial account.
The issue not not only that they are a pain to grind out on multiple toons, but also that they are yet another group of powers that are not even close to balanced to PvP. |
I agree they are broken, but in theory if they were more available to us lazy people, the better team would still win with them. I still think alpha only is the way to go, however.
@TheKatalyst
My **** is bleeding.
There is something else that needs to be added to this discussion. All incarnates (Alpha slot included) will be VIP ONLY. This means that if any incarnates are allowed, free players or premium players will be at a serious disadvantage. Basically, PvP is pay-to-win with i21.
Unless there is an Arena option to disable incarnates coming with i21, I do not see a way to have free/premium players participate in balanced PvP for this league. Even if you ban Alpha slot, unless you are level shifted you can't tell if someone has it equipped.
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That's true, although the Alpha Slot won't make a huge difference. The big problem is most free and premium players won't have access to IO's unless they're a vet or they pay for the license.
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Originally Posted by Hemmingway
There is something else that needs to be added to this discussion. All incarnates (Alpha slot included) will be VIP ONLY. This means that if any incarnates are allowed, free players or premium players will be at a serious disadvantage. Basically, PvP is pay-to-win with i21.
Unless there is an Arena option to disable incarnates coming with i21, I do not see a way to have free/premium players participate in balanced PvP for this league. Even if you ban Alpha slot, unless you are level shifted you can't tell if someone has it equipped. |
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I don't think Alpha slot will be a huge game changer. The other incarnates, with the "PvP is pay to win" idea in mind, will obviously put premium players at a huge disadvantage. Alpha slot will give people with t3/t4 alpha a slight edge, but it won't break the game like the others will.|
Originally Posted by Hemmingway
There is something else that needs to be added to this discussion. All incarnates (Alpha slot included) will be VIP ONLY. This means that if any incarnates are allowed, free players or premium players will be at a serious disadvantage. Basically, PvP is pay-to-win with i21.
Unless there is an Arena option to disable incarnates coming with i21, I do not see a way to have free/premium players participate in balanced PvP for this league. Even if you ban Alpha slot, unless you are level shifted you can't tell if someone has it equipped. |
Also there are a lot of people who build their toons with alpha slot in mind. We also have to consider the people who are going to be VIPs during this league, as they are going to be more integral to it's success than the premium people who come back for it.
@TheKatalyst
My **** is bleeding.
Alpha slot is not game breaking, no, but it is a big advantage. End redux and +20% range on a blaster? Or 33% additional damage enhancement that partially ignores ED. That is a pretty big deal.
I do agree that the other incarnates are a much bigger deal, however. This gives more reason to ban them, obviously.
And on the topic of no access to IOs, a lot of vets do have toons IOd already, but they won't be able to safely respec. And that is a huge barrier stopping free players from joining.
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There's no disputing that. However, the only real reason to ban alpha slot at this point is to appease Premium/F2P players. As I said in my above post, my main concern is the VIP players who will participate, especially the ones who are already committed. It will be a nice bonus if vets come back for it under premium accounts, but as it stands my main concern is not them, it's the people who are already committed with VIP accounts.
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Originally Posted by Hemmingway
Alpha slot is not game breaking, no, but it is a big advantage. End redux and +20% range on a blaster? Or 33% additional damage enhancement that partially ignores ED. That is a pretty big deal.
I do agree that the other incarnates are a much bigger deal, however. This gives more reason to ban them, obviously. And on the topic of no access to IOs, a lot of vets do have toons IOd already, but they won't be able to safely respec. And that is a huge barrier stopping free players from joining. |
@TheKatalyst
My **** is bleeding.
I think as a community running this league, we need to try to help out anyone that wants to participate in this league. If it turns out that it is not viable to PvP as a premium player, so be it. However, if it is possible, then we need to do what we can to make it happen.
Alpha does little besides make up for weak points in your build. Range or damage on a blaster is a waste since boost range is op and build up as well. So in short let them use Alphas just ban the other incarnates. Vets don't need to be coddled. If ios can be used by already slotted toons it's good to go.
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Originally Posted by Daknah
Alpha does little besides make up for weak points in your build. Range or damage on a blaster is a waste since boost range is op and build up as well. So in short let them use Alphas just ban the other incarnates. Vets don't need to be coddled. If ios can be used by already slotted toons it's good to go.
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Agreed.
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Originally Posted by Daknah
Alpha does little besides make up for weak points in your build. Range or damage on a blaster is a waste since boost range is op and build up as well. So in short let them use Alphas just ban the other incarnates. Vets don't need to be coddled. If ios can be used by already slotted toons it's good to go.
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