Why is the stalker community non existant on the VIP beta?
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Ang_Rui_Shen,
Posted on: 2011-08-12 10:08 in Stalkers
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Yeah, I need to give this a shot. Is the recharge rate enhanceable on the Tier5s or is this one stuck at 90s like Judgement?
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
Oh!!!! I haven't tested spring attack. My MA can definitely use an aoe.
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Recharge starts at 2 minutes, but in-game numbers are telling me that it does take recharge reduction enhancements.
Street Justice is pure win.
Ice Armor blows Energy armor out of the water. Not even a contest.
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I wouldn't say blows it out of the water actually.|
Originally Posted by Gemini_2099
Street Justice is pure win.
Ice Armor blows Energy armor out of the water. Not even a contest. |
Seeing as my Sloppy KM/EA
Has Perma Energize (40% cost reduction, w/Set bonuses Constant 25hp/s regen).
The heal is up more often too.
120% global recharge (which I will increase once I finalize build)
Higher base defenses(but your beefier Energy Absorb makes this up)
Gets slightly less defense from Energy Drain, but more energy.
Has similar resistance numbers.
More importantly though:
Doesn't look stupid like Ice Armor :P
I would say Icy Bastion puts you ahead, but then you fall so far behind based on how ugly you look
EDIT: I would have listed distrup but its ugly and sucks.
When something good happens to me, I can never enjoy it....
I am always too busy looking for the inevitable punchline...
BEHOLD THE POWER OF CHEESE!
I am deleting my DB/EA stalker and re-rolling a DB/Ice Armor stalker. Its too much fun, and I think it looks pretty!
Ew Stalker DB blows....
Why not wait for street justice?
When something good happens to me, I can never enjoy it....
I am always too busy looking for the inevitable punchline...
BEHOLD THE POWER OF CHEESE!
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Originally Posted by Test_Rat
Why not wait for street justice?
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Originally Posted by Test_Rat
wait for street justice?
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Originally Posted by Test_Rat
wait
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Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
it has gone from unconscionable to downright appalling that we have no way of measuring our characters' wetness.
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Originally Posted by Brillig
It's hard to beat the entertainment value of Whackjob Wednesdays.
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I am betting its out no more than 2 weeks after issue 21 launches.
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Originally Posted by Siolfir
I think you answered your own question.
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When something good happens to me, I can never enjoy it....
I am always too busy looking for the inevitable punchline...
BEHOLD THE POWER OF CHEESE!
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I'm guessing more, just because I figure that the first two weeks will be stability and unfinished bug fixes prior to releasing more things, whether they've already been tested or not.|
Originally Posted by Test_Rat
I am betting its out no more than 2 weeks after issue 21 launches.
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I don't think it'll be much more, though. If I were putting a time frame on it, I'd say 4-6 weeks.
In any case, it's still delayed gratification - which doesn't work for a lot of people.
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Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
it has gone from unconscionable to downright appalling that we have no way of measuring our characters' wetness.
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Originally Posted by Brillig
It's hard to beat the entertainment value of Whackjob Wednesdays.
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Ice armor is pure win for stalkers, may even be a fotm for a month or so after i21 hits. I felt pretty awesome with sj/ice against lvl 53 rikti on just SOs and no incarnate unlocked. Will try a km/ice tomorrow.
I've been put off playing Stalkers for any length of time mainly because I can't start one blueside. Around the time CoV came out I got a Claws/Something Stalker up to level 26, but I long since deleted it. I tried other Stalkers off and on, but I couldn't stand playing redside. When GR came out I immediately made a Stalker, but it's kinda stuck in yellow at level 16 and I just can't stand to play it there. 
And I did make a SJ/Ice Stalker in Beta, but due to my brief/intermittent experience with them I can hardly count myself as part of the Stalker community. When I21 hits live I'll probably make a blueside Stalker (I'm thinking KM/Ice, though I really want Ice Melee).
Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
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Kin/Ice definitely have good synergies. One thing I don't know for sure is if chilling embrace gets you out of hidden after you reveal yourself because majority of the fun in Kinetic is to keep Build Up going with placate. I have a Kin/Dark and after they made it 100% refresh-rate, I rarely run the two auras because I don't want the damage-self and fear interrupt right after my placate.|
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
And I did make a SJ/Ice Stalker in Beta, but due to my brief/intermittent experience with them I can hardly count myself as part of the Stalker community. When I21 hits live I'll probably make a blueside Stalker (I'm thinking KM/Ice, though I really want Ice Melee). |
If you are looking for a good stalker experience, I think Kinetic is a great choice.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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What I bolded does happen.|
Originally Posted by Jibikao
Kin/Ice definitely have good synergies. One thing I don't know for sure is if chilling embrace gets you out of hidden after you reveal yourself because majority of the fun in Kinetic is to keep Build Up going with placate. I have a Kin/Dark and after they made it 100% refresh-rate, I rarely run the two auras because I don't want the damage-self and fear interrupt right after my placate.
If you are looking for a good stalker experience, I think Kinetic is a great choice. |
Still its worth it to have Chilling embrace going at all times its just that good.
If I roll an ice armor stalker on live, I would not use KM with it for the reason you pointed out above.
When something good happens to me, I can never enjoy it....
I am always too busy looking for the inevitable punchline...
BEHOLD THE POWER OF CHEESE!
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Bummer. Oh well... |
Originally Posted by Test_Rat
What I bolded does happen.
Still its worth it to have Chilling embrace going at all times its just that good. If I roll an ice armor stalker on live, I would not use KM with it for the reason you pointed out above. |
Wish they could have ported Ice Melee at the same time. ugh. Now I don't know what to combo with except for SJ/Ice.
You know, if they gave Stalker Rib Cracker, its 11% damage debuff can stack with 15% from CE.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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What brings you to that conclusion? Serious question.
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Originally Posted by Gemini_2099
Ice Armor blows Energy armor out of the water. Not even a contest.
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The City of Heroes Community is a special one and I will always look fondly on my times arguing, discussing and playing with you all. Thanks and thanks to the developers for a special experience.
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Chilling Embrace, Icy Bastion, etc|
Originally Posted by EvilGeko
What brings you to that conclusion? Serious question.
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/EA receives all its key tools too late, and they are not all that special to begin with.
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While I can't tell if Ice Armor is going to blow EA out of water, I do agree that /EA on Stalker isn't that special. |
Originally Posted by Gemini_2099
Chilling Embrace, Icy Bastion, etc
/EA receives all its key tools too late, and they are not all that special to begin with. |
Energy Aura on Brute/Scrapper is more special because it was designed as a "stealthy" set and Stalker is already stealthy.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
There is no guarantee EA brutes will remain stealthy.
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Gemini also seem to gloss over the fact that Ice Armor stalkers are much harder to cap, thus leading to it being MUCH more difficult to reach that magic 30D/40R number for Icy Bastion. 40+ seconds of downtime on that leaves a lot of room for pain.|
Originally Posted by Gemini_2099
Chilling Embrace, Icy Bastion, etc
/EA receives all its key tools too late, and they are not all that special to begin with. |
EA stalkers can Cap thier defenses earlier (my build currrently caps S/L in the mid to late 20s). Get much higher recharge, and more reliable regeneration. Also with the buffs to the passives they can reach 25-30% resistnace to most damage types (outside the toxic/psi holes which Ice Armor shares).
I really have my doubts that gemini has actually played Ice Armor on the beta server, and I know he hasn't played EA over there. Not to mention making a Min maxed Build of either. I have done both.
I would love Gemini to show an Ice Armor build here that has:
100%+ Global recharge bonus before Hasten
Softcapped to all types (excepting holes) before (energy Absorbtion)
Has about 20%ish ranged defense to fill in the Psi hole
Without gimping primary damage slotting (Go ahead and gimp AS though, I don't value it :P )>
I have a flying KM/EA, and a CJ/SJ/Jump KM/EA sloppy builds from beta that have the above.
When something good happens to me, I can never enjoy it....
I am always too busy looking for the inevitable punchline...
BEHOLD THE POWER OF CHEESE!
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That is a good thing. /EA should remain stealthy. The set was designed that way anyway.|
Originally Posted by Gemini_2099
There is guarantee EA brutes will remain stealthy.
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I didn't pick /EA Brute as my one and only main Brute because it is "defense-based and has a big hole in Psionic resistance/Defense". I picked it because it has an unsuppressed stealth that Stalker doesn't have. If they put aura taunt in /EA, they might as well re-design the whole thing again. My Brute took taunt power and I use it all the time when I want to.
That shouldn't be a "sad face". It should be a happy face.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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And yet the taunt aura negates it. Hmmm
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Originally Posted by Gemini_2099
There is guarantee EA brutes will remain stealthy.
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So does brawl. Stealth only prevents a mob from aggroing on you by sight alone. If you punch one, it will aggro and then your stealth, suppressible or not, has absolutely no effect whatsoever on keeping that aggro.
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Originally Posted by Stryph
And yet the taunt aura negates it. Hmmm
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I have posted a few comments here and there but I dont think its going to matter if the devs just arent listening on the stalker issues. Its flatout going to take someone going face to face to talk with the powers team before we even remotely see results. In all honesty I wish it was something they would fix before the new issue went live. Last thing we need is for a bunch of new players to form bad opinions on the stalker AT starting out. Every issue they delay fixing stalkers the harder it will be to shake the "lol stalkers" stigma that we have been branded with.
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Originally Posted by Test_Rat
Where are you people.
Yeah I know its a dying dead community but there only seems to be myself and Jibako posting ANYTHING stalker related overthere. I have a feeling if I didn't copy over my Kinetic melee the Concentrated Strike Bug/Nerf would have made it to live, because no one is testing anything or providing feedback from the unique stalker viewpoint. (I have PM'd Zwillinger, and was told the KM issue was passed on, here is hoping). Street justice is turning out to be another set that is ported to stalkers as an afterthought. Whereas Brutes scrappers and tanks get Combat Awareness, the devs tied the same Combat level mulplier to Assassin strike instead on stalkers since the AT is Limited by the AS, BU, Placate limitation. They didn't even give AS 3 combat levels but 2 instead, yet there is no discussion about it because stalkers are non-existant on the beta forums. I am asking you guys to COPY your stalkers to Beta and test them out. Make Street Justice stalkers and provide feedback. Lets avoid being forgotten, and avoid getting another Dual Blades in the stalker AT. |
Bump and Grind Bane/SoA
Kenja No Ishi Earth/Empathy Controller
Legendary Sannin Ninja/Pain Mastermind
Entoxicated Ninja/PSN Mastermind
Ninja Ryukenden Kat/WP Scrapper
Hellish Thoughts Fire/PSI Dominator
Thank You Devs for Merits!!!!
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This one part here is why I wont play the set on live until this gets addressed. I am literally murdering stuff with a brute on finishers. Why cant stalkers and scrappers to a lesser extent benefit from this too?
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
I played more tonight and I am lvl 10.
One thing I just realized that when you critical with Finisher moves, the critical damage is only based on Combo 0 (which is no combo) and not based on Combo 3. This means for an AT that excels in critical damage, you are not going to get that much from Finishers. At least this is how I view. I don't know the actual math but if you want me to guess, SJ fits Brute a bit more than Scrapper/Stalker (while Kinetic fits Stalker/Scrapper more). |
Bump and Grind Bane/SoA
Kenja No Ishi Earth/Empathy Controller
Legendary Sannin Ninja/Pain Mastermind
Entoxicated Ninja/PSN Mastermind
Ninja Ryukenden Kat/WP Scrapper
Hellish Thoughts Fire/PSI Dominator
Thank You Devs for Merits!!!!
... not that I'm saying its a good as Lightning Rod, just that it uses the same basic game mechanic.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.