The Done Club

To be fair, it's longer than the other two trials. After all, Dr Q is worth 122 Reward Merits.

To my knowledge nobody has MOkeyes badge on defiant, it is only being run twice a week Monday and Thursday and have only missed 1 attempt since i20.5 and it wasn't done then.

I suppose the one person you have on defiant could have done it on another server, but it has yet to be done on Defiant.

On a side note, it does suck for those badgehunters out there that have to rely on others to get these badges, maybe they should introduce a way of getting these badges via the Paragon store using Reward points or something?
Old MO's used to get alot of attention from the playerbase but as some have mentioned MOKeyes are few and far between on some servers, to be constantly let down by 1 or 2 players on these few and far runs gets boring really quickly.

That won't be enough to convince player to do Keyes badge runs.

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Thus the retroactive rationale for upping the reward for Keyes with an extra Empyrean. One could probably argue that the Devs should have made it worth 2 Empyreans from the start because of its length. That "shortsightedness" was part of the cheesiness I was talking about.

Who's to say other than we know that if -nobody's- running them then there'll be -no- chance for future badges. *shrugs*

Let me put it this way: I doubt 2 Empyrean merits will be enough to convince players to do Keyes on a regular basis, even without trying for the badges.

Simply put: Keyes isn't fun most of the time. The extra Empyrean merit for the first time in a day will not make up for that fact.

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That's some neat info there Blondeshell

Liberty, my home server, is in 4th place!

Of course I know more than 4 (7) people have Loves a Challenge and Avoids the Green Stuff badges because the one night I got both badges on 2 diff. toons. And, of course, have to have at least 12 people to do a Keyes and everyone got it that night (2x)...so..*shrugs*

Still nice to see Liberty pretty close to the top!


And yes, I "can't wait" until the KIR and UG trials give 2 emp. merits (and more astrals)

I knew that the lists wouldn't be a comprehensive accounting of who has these badges, but I picked CIT to do my study because they've added that stat to the badge lists. The old version of the Badge-Hunter site had an option to show everyone with a particular badge, but not any more.

Considering that approximately 80% more people have the other two Keyes badges in total (though not necessarily all four), it appears that Challenge and Green are going to be the sticking point for this Mo badge. As much as I'd like to be available to purchase these badges on the store, I really don't think we'll ever have that option. Instead, we're just left with coordination, communication, and luck.

Fire of the Phoenix is verified as having MoKeyes on Defiant. No clue when it was earned because the recent badge history was loaded as a single dump on August 10.

I think that's a bug and is a duplicate of her blaster which is actually on Union.

And let me put it this way: If 2 Empyrean merits is still not enough to get people to run it more regularly then the Devs will know they have a REAL problem on their hands with this trial instead of just a slight one.

Simply put: At least the Devs are trying to do something about it. I say let it go for a month or two and we'll see if the Devs actually need to do anything -more- about it. I'd rather the Devs make adjustments based on evidence than "doubts".

Then they have their heads in the sand and they must be among the few people that don't understand how much this trial is disliked by the players.

Doubts? Hardly. I posed the question of "What would you do to make Keyes fun?" and got a lot of negative response to the trial itself. If people like Arcanaville are making colorful comments like this:
The developers should be taking a very close look at the design.

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Oh, I love the colorful metaphors. I just don't expect you to be posting them.

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You guys are acting like the Devs of this game will change the fundamental workings of an established Incarnate trial at the drop of a hat. You two should know better than most that there have been desperately needed changes to this game which have still literally taken YEARS to accomplish. Our Devs may be bright and competent people, but clearly doing everything they ought to do in a reasonably timely fashion often eludes them.

I'm not delusional enough to think that adding an extra Empyrean merit to this trial is going to instantly make it the most popular content in the game. But I'm also well aware that the Devs actually trying ANYTHING to encourage people to play it represents (perhaps sadly) what amounts to a significant effort on their part to address the situation.

The optimal solution to the negative reactions towards this trial may require some complex changes. Even if that eventually happens it's quite likely it won't happen anytime soon. The Devs have shown a reluctance over the years to fix "embarrassments" like this which technically work code-wise but are considered failures from a player enjoyment point of view.

I realize many people are frustrated with what they consider a "bad" trial and want it redesigned ASAP. But strangely enough I accept the reality that quick radical changes aren't going to happen in this case and remain uncharacteristically optimistic that simpler adjustments (like changing the number of Empyrean merits rewarded by the trial) may actually produce enough of a benefit to turn a bad situation into a nearly tolerable one.

I think we need to look at the proportionate difficulty and gauge the expected time accordingly. Let's see. How long did it take to reduce the requirement for the last healing badge? That involved changing a single number. On that scale, the Keyes trial should be fixed in time for the election . . . in 2112. Or perhaps 2116.

This has to be the first time I've ever been accused of that one.

They have had almost a year at this point. Complaints about the time stop have been made since Keyes was introduced to Close Beta last November. I think calling this "the drop of the hat" has a lost opportunity. Had the complaints been first made in June, I might have accepted that, but not now.

Yet not bright enough to think about the implications of killing players with disintegration while the players are being held with either the time stop or the hold from the obliteration beam. Then adding badges for not getting killed or avoiding a beam that has a 30' radius (I think, may be more) and hoping that 11-23 other people are capable of doing the same.

The developers trying to address (stop the leak) the situation (bad trial):


Yeah, and when Arcana starts tossing around phrases like "the devs should assume most players think it sucks donkey balls." They should realize that they've seriously have missed the mark and go back to the drawing board.

A single extra merit will not make this trial fun. Arcana has already said that a lot of my suggestions wouldn't make the trial fun, but they would likely get more players to actually DO the trial than a single Empyrean Merit.

The sad thing is that even if they see a few percentage increase in Keyes runs that some players and the developers will consider this a "win".

It won't be.

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Champion does. Look for @Amygdala.

Yes, Amygdala ran some MoKeyes in late August, after I'd posted my original message. Unfortunately, I hadn't been monitoring the Champion server forum, so missed out.

Ran a couple Keyes badge runs last night, going specifically for Loves a Challenge, and Avoids the Green Stuff. Two attempts, both failures. Very frustrating, with one player getting caught in the Obliteration beam literally in the dying seconds of the trial.

She has a thread about it. Maybe post there and see if she's planning more?

Already exchanged messages with her, none further planned in the immediate future. But, appreciate your suggestion, nonetheless.

Why? Nothing I've read indicates any alignment restricted badges for Issue 21.

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