A fun thought experiment; Burnout in Beta

Deus_Otiosus · 08-05-2011 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Zombie Man

In another thread, someone used the f bomb, but asterisked out, in their thread title. That expletive was vital to the story that ensued. A mod replaced the asterisked out word with phrasing that made the story incoherent. Player pouting caused the mod to replaced the expletive with 'pancake', thus restoring sense to the story and ensuring lots of 'pancake you' jokes. Then, seeing how players thought that a hoot, a mod took that a step further by replacing the auto-asterisking of naughty words with the word PANCAKE for each asterisk.

Maybe they drew inspiration from the PANCAKEPANCAKEPANCAKEPANCAKEPANCAKEPANCAKEPANCAKE pancake bunny.

Madadh · 08-05-2011 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ultrawatt

+rech from hasten doesnt stack last i remember.

Ah yes, I believe you are correct. Well, at least the double BU nuke should fly. Almost positive BU stacks.

Delerious · 08-05-2011 06:21 PM

Honestly even with a 30 minute recharge burnout sounds lame to me.

The power that has me most interested is the leaping aoe attack.

Microcosm · 08-05-2011 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MajorDecoy

When I saw it it was a 30 minute recharge, it cost 48.5 Endurance, and had a penalty of -25% max endurance that I don't recall the duration of.

Hopefully, the order of the Endurance cost and the -25% max endurance is:

100 End - 48.5 end = 51.5 end remaining out of 75 end possible

rather than

100 end * 75% = 75 End - 48.5 end = 26.5 end remaining.

See, the endurance cost and debuff is limiter enough; making it unenhancable for recharge just makes it largely useless.

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Schismatrix · 08-05-2011 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaos Creator

So I would imagine when Burnout was first concepted the original design likely instantly recharged everything then people started to do obscene things.

Imagine with me that you are in closed beta before Burnout, the new tier 5 speed pool power which recharges all primary/secondary powers, was changed to primary/secondary.

How would YOU break it?

I'd like to think that
[Eye of the Magus][Drain Psyche][Inferno][Burnout] Repeat would have been insanely fun.

Interesting. i somehow doubt it even got past the earliest design stage with recharging everything as part of the design. For very many obvious reasons. *shrug*

By the way, what happens if i type "I'm sick of these PANCAKEPANCAKEPANCAKEPANCAKEPANCAKEPANCAKEPANCAKEP ANCAKEPANCAKEPANCAKEPANCAKEPANCAKEPANCAKE snakes on this PANCAKEPANCAKEPANCAKEPANCAKEPANCAKEPANCAKEPANCAKEP ANCAKEPANCAKEPANCAKEPANCAKEPANCAKEPANCAKE plane!"?

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MTS · 08-05-2011 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Microcosm

but it has since been said that burnout's recharge won't be reduceable, making it generally quite useless in my view.

Is there a source for that? At 30 minutes base, I have a hard time believing that it won't be slottable for recharge. That sounds like just the kind of "set it at 2-3 times how often want people to be able to use it" methodology that most long recharge powers use.

Kosmos · 08-06-2011 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison

Godmode powers: Things like Unstoppable are pointless to stack. One with Shield or Strength of Will might be interesting. MoG could essentially be 30 seconds long and have a second application of Instant Healing.

Most buffs don't stack from the same caster. That includes SoW, OwtS and IH. You can always use the bug with casting in different zones being consider a "different caster" to stack them, but for many that isn't all that useful given their durations.

Burnout - as currently described - looks like a filler power for those with Hasten+Super Speed and no slots for their L47/L49 powers. I see it mostly as a post-defeat reset button to get things like Domination, Practiced Brawler or Dull Pain back up.

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ultrawatt · 08-06-2011 01:53 AM

I actually think all of the new powers sounds pretty bad. I tend to never get a travel power if my main were to make room for them i would expect him to preform worse.

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Giant2005 · 08-06-2011 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Chaos Creator

So I would imagine when Burnout was first concepted the original design likely instantly recharged everything then people started to do obscene things.

Imagine with me that you are in closed beta before Burnout, the new tier 5 speed pool power which recharges all primary/secondary powers, was changed to primary/secondary.

How would YOU break it?

I'd like to think that
[Eye of the Magus][Drain Psyche][Inferno][Burnout] Repeat would have been insanely fun.

If it recharged everything then I declare it is also recharging itself :P
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Rigel_Kent · 08-06-2011 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MTS

That sounds like just the kind of "set it at 2-3 times how often want people to be able to use it" methodology that most long recharge powers use.

Agreed. Since this power is in the same pool as Hasten, you can count on players with this power running a good amount of +recharge. No need to penalize people with more +recharge to "benefit" people with no recharge, because in this case, there won't be any people with no +recharge.

Besides, there's already enough complexity in having to constantly wonder which powers work like CoH with recharge times you can modify, and which powers work like other MMOs with recharge times set in stone. Pet powers, incarnate powers, temp powers, tier 9s... add too many more static recharge powers, and you might as well start adding asterisks to every speed buff, slow, and global* recharge set bonus in the game.

(*Not really global.)