Incarnate access for Premium Members?
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Chad Gulzow-Man,
Posted on: 2011-08-03 07:00 in Player Questions
None. You have to be a VIP player to access your Incarnate powers or the Incarnate trails. I believe a premium player does keep the Alpha slot and can do the Apex & Tin Mage TFs, but that's it.
You won't lose your Incarnate powers, but they will be greyed out. If you become a VIP again, you will get everything back and won't have to earn them again.
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That's about what I figured. So it looks like I'll be playing on some of my neglected lowbies until I go back to VIP. Thanks for the info.
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Originally Posted by Citizen_Razor
None. You have to be a VIP player to access your Incarnate powers or the Incarnate trails. I believe a premium player does keep the Alpha slot and can do the Apex & Tin Mage TFs, but that's it.
You won't lose your Incarnate powers, but they will be greyed out. If you become a VIP again, you will get everything back and won't have to earn them again. |
if im not mistaken you can buy incarnate access for them, might be cheaper just to buy it for the toons you want to play if that is still gonna be an option.
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You are mistaken. In no way, shape, or form will premium players have access to the Incarnate System.|
Originally Posted by darkangel32
if im not mistaken you can buy incarnate access for them
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
I have been advised that if you let your VIP status lapse you will lose access to these abilities. You won't lose the ability itself, however it will not be usable.
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Originally Posted by Clockwork O1
To clarify this definitively:
All Incarnate content is restricted to VIP players. |
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Honestly, I don't even think this part is true, though I would absolutely love to be proven wrong. (I think it'd be fair if Alpha were included with a Going Rogue purchase, but that's just me.)|
Originally Posted by Citizen_Razor
I believe a premium player does keep the Alpha slot and can do the Apex & Tin Mage TFs, but that's it.
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As Snow Globe posted, the entire Incarnate system is supposed to be inaccessible to anyone who isn't subscribed.
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How? You do not have access to any of the Incarnate System as a premium player, including the Alpha Slot. That means you fail to meet the minimum requirements for both Apex and Tin Mage (Alpha Slot unlocked).|
Originally Posted by Citizen_Razor
can do the Apex & Tin Mage TFs, but that's it.
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Apparently the developers do consider the Alpha Slot to be in the Incarnate System:
http://goingrogue.na.cityofheroes.com/en/game-info/incarnates/alpha-slot.html
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No. They are keeping the entire Incarnate system as a shiny to dangle in front of players to get them to subscribe.
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Originally Posted by darkangel32
if im not mistaken you can buy incarnate access for them, might be cheaper just to buy it for the toons you want to play if that is still gonna be an option.
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Although I could also see the devs deciding to give access to the Alpha slot as a taster to encourage people to pony up for a sub.|
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
How? You do not have access to any of the Incarnate System as a premium player, including the Alpha Slot. That means you fail to meet the minimum requirements for both Apex and Tin Mage (Alpha Slot unlocked).
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In fact, that would actually be a good reason for the shards/threads split between the Alpha and the other incarnate slots.
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The Associate Producer, Clockwork 01, said no. The front-line Community Rep, Zwillinger, has told us that HE has been told to tell us that it isn't going to happen. I've provided links to where they said it above.|
Originally Posted by Grouchybeast
Although I could also see the devs deciding to give access to the Alpha slot as a taster to encourage people to pony up for a sub.
In fact, that would actually be a good reason for the shards/threads split between the Alpha and the other incarnate slots. |
I don't know how much clearer the statement can be:
If you are NOT a subscriber you will NOT be able to access the Incarnate System.
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So that whole "not loosing access to things you have purchased" line doesn't quite hold out then?
I thought that if you had purchased GR, which was necessary for incarnates, it would have let you use incarnates on a Premium account. Oh well, glad only 1 character on my second account has only the alpha.
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My Going Rogue: Complete Collection retail box lists:|
Originally Posted by Mega_Jamie
So that whole "not loosing access to things you have purchased" line doesn't quite hold out then?
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- Alpha- and Omega-themed auras
- Alpha- and Omega-themed costume sets
- Four new stance emotes
- The Shadowy Presence invisibility power
It does mention moral choices (tips and alignment missions) and Praetoria, but not the Incarnate System.
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Yeah, this has me a little annoyed as well. |
Originally Posted by Mega_Jamie
So that whole "not loosing access to things you have purchased" line doesn't quite hold out then?
I thought that if you had purchased GR, which was necessary for incarnates, it would have let you use incarnates on a Premium account. Oh well, glad only 1 character on my second account has only the alpha. |
It would be one thing if I gained access to Going Rogue via a subscription, like will be possible in Freedom. It's entirely different seeing as how I shelled out $30 on TOP of my subscription fee to buy Going Rogue. I should retain access to my Incarnate stuff if I should decide to drop to Premium status for whatever reason.
Otherwise, it makes the statement the devs have been throwing around (i.e. "you retain access to everything you bought or earned as a Premium player") untrue.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
All true except Incarnates didn't come with GR. They came the issue after GR launched. Yes you need GR to access Incarnate stuff, but the two things did not arrive together (though that was the original intention apparently).
I wonder if the removal of Incarnate stuff from GR pre-launch was because that was the point the finalised their internal plans for Freedom
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I actually kind of wonder about this. Because if access to Apex/Tin Mage keys off the Alpha Unlocked *badge* rather than the slot itself, Premium players with a previous unlock would still be able to join the TF - they'd just be debuffed as though the slot were empty since it would be greyed out.|
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
How? You do not have access to any of the Incarnate System as a premium player, including the Alpha Slot. That means you fail to meet the minimum requirements for both Apex and Tin Mage (Alpha Slot unlocked).
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Unless they're planning on removing all the Incarnate badges from a non-VIP as well, which seems unlikely.
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Or the access is restricted to a 'Incarnated' flag, which is initially set on VIP accounts as active when you receive the badge but is unset when moving from VIP to premium.
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Originally Posted by Selina_H
I actually kind of wonder about this. Because if access to Apex/Tin Mage keys off the Alpha Unlocked *badge* rather than the slot itself, Premium players with a previous unlock would still be able to join the TF - they'd just be debuffed as though the slot were empty since it would be greyed out.
Unless they're planning on removing all the Incarnate badges from a non-VIP as well, which seems unlikely. |
thanks snow for correcting me on that, i thought it would still be available to buy, and i guess it is if you pay the sub, lol. dont matter to me as ill still be subbed to the game but others might not have known, thanks for clearing that up.
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No, it was removed due to some beta testers' complaints that there wasn't any content to go with the Incarnates System. Instead of unlocking via Ramiel's arc, you had to do one of the following:|
Originally Posted by Lost Ninja
I wonder if the removal of Incarnate stuff from GR pre-launch was because that was the point the finalised their internal plans for Freedom
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- Cathedral of Pain
- ITF
- LGTF
- STF
- RSF
- Khan TF
- Cuda SF
- 250 Vanguard Merits
- Some kind of PVP unlock.
- I can't remember the amount, but there was an Alignment Merit unlock and a Reward Merit unlock as well.
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Nope. Paragon removed the Incarnate introductory Alpha slot from Going Rogue. So buying Going Rogue did not give you access to any Incarnate abilities. That happened in the issue after Going Rogue came out.
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Originally Posted by Mega_Jamie
So that whole "not loosing access to things you have purchased" line doesn't quite hold out then?
I thought that if you had purchased GR, which was necessary for incarnates, it would have let you use incarnates on a Premium account. Oh well, glad only 1 character on my second account has only the alpha. |
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I've done some poking around the forums in search of an answer to this question and have only seen speculation, but I was curious to see if we have anything official. Will subscribers who go Premium at Freedom launch have any access to the incarnate system? Obviously it seems any new Incarnate stuff will have to be purchased, but what about the incarnate powers I have already earned? Will I be able to use them? Will I still be able to run BAF, LAM, and Keyes?
I'm going back to school to finish my degree so my game time will be reduced below the point that justifies a monthly subscription, but thanks to Freedom, I can continue playing a few of my toons. I just want to know what kind of incarnate access, if any, my 50s will have before I pick which toons I want to continue playing.