Let me detoggle walk when stunned

Right. So I'm having to escort a hostage. After having them decide, thanks to the twitchy AI and/or pathing, to examine the random shiny bits off to the side and get lost for the umpteenth time, to just toggle walk on and have them follow me.

So we get an ambush of Malta and their wonderful stun grenades. Right on top of me.

(No, I normally wouldn't use walk here, but was because of the lousy AI. And yes, if I had time, I'd have shut Walk off when I saw the NPC speech. But there was literally NO time to react.)

So there I am, walk still toggled, and stunned. No problem, just create another breakfree since I'd used several already - except I can't because of walk. And I can't detoggle walk because I'm stunned.

Let me be blunt. That's pants-on-head stupid not to be able to DEtoggle a power. Especially Walk, which locks everything else out. (You can't use or combine inspirs.)

Can we PLEASE be allowed to detoggle Walk when stunned? I'm assuming it's the same way with being held, too, but I wasn't going to stick around to find out. While we're at it, can we fix the AI so it's slightly better than a braindead monkey and give them a little more speed to keep up with us even when we're not using travel powers?

Walk is not meant as a combat toggle. As such, it's not really designed as anything more than a bare bones power. I'm surprised that you can't actually toggle it off if you're mezzed, but I don't think I could support the developer time required to fix it.

A) when we were given Walk, it was meant to be a show offy downtime power. Specifically, it's a bad idea to use it at any time when you might be attacked.

B) the follow AI for rescues/hostages isn't great, but never so bad that you need to use Walk. Hostages are meant to be less likely to follow than someone you're rescuing, because they don't actually want to go with you. You need to watch them a little more closely. Even so, I've never had issues even with inherent Fitness as long as I stop whenever they get 40-50 feet behind, or at corners or other places they can get hung up.

Oh, and do you have any stealth powers? Shadow Fall or Steamy Mist or the like? They make it almost impossible for a hostage to follow you.

Sounds like a bug to me.

That said, Lemur, I *have* had to go that slow to get even rescues to follow me. No stealth, no anything, and I'd still lose them. Either that or do a backwards run for 100 yards, stop, watch that they were catching up, rinse, repeat.

If it's not a bug, yeah, that should be fixed. If nothing else, because you *can* misclick and hit it. Even if it's not on one of the primary trays

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To my mind, not allowing us to turn our toggles off when incapacitated is just unnecessary. That's going from one extreme to the other. Once upon a time, when I was held, all my toggles dropped, I fell from the sky, my shields disappeared... Now, when I'm held, I can't stop flying, I can't turn off the expensive toggle I wanted to run for just a few seconds... Just seems like overkill.

Anecdote time: Once upon a time on my Blaster, I popped a Break-Free and nuked a Malta spawn with Nova. When this was done, I kneeled down to Rest. As I was Resting, my Break Free expired and I fell under the effect of a TacOps' Stun Grenade. Only not for the standard 45 seconds, oh no. You see, Rest actually debuffs your status resistance by quite a bit, so you can get held of I think up to three times as long. I'd have disabled Rest and abandoned my healing process, but you can't disable a toggle while stunned.

Similarly, I've had instances on that same Blaster where I'd fire up Personal Forcefield, get stunned for 45 seconds almost immediately, and then end up practically incapacitated. Why? Well, the PFF doesn't toggle-drop. Its defensive value suppresses, but its "Only Affecting Self" doesn't. What this means is I'm trapped in the field, I'm not protected by it, but I still can't use my Defiance attacks through the status effect anyway. Ouch.

Or how about this? When you're stunned in the air, your "grip" is reduced to nothing. What this means is you cannot accelerate almost at all, and if you're already moving, you cannot stop. What this means is if I get stunned while hovering, I have about an equal chance of drifting into the next spawn over uncontrollaby, or otherwise be HELD up in the air since moving with Hover while stunned is practically impossible. Before, I'd have dropped to the ground and been able to stagger out of damage patches and around corners, but now not only won't being stunned drop me to the ground, I can't stop flying even if I wanted to.

It's very irritating.

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Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

I don't understand why we can't use powers with Walk. BAB said it was because there's no animations for fighting from the walking animation, but we don't have any animations for fighting from the normal running animations either; every animation starts as if from the normal standing poses. And Walk uses the same standing poses are running.

Walk is OP.

Was it a tip mish? Some of the newer mishes seem to have intentionally worse follow ai, presumably to make them take longer. I've not had problems in older content so long as i turn sprint and ss off and try not to take multiple corners too quickly.

Getting killed because you were using Walk in a mission is a little like crashing your car 'cause you tried to use the makeup mirror in your sun visor on the Interstate. "Don't do that then" is really the only viable response.

Wow. So is this where I get the "In my day, we had to walk naked thirty miles to school in ten feet of snow uphill both ways" speech?

Seriously. It's not like being able to detoggle this or even use inspirations would suddenly turn my Corruptor ten times more dangerous. And yes, the AI *IS* that bad. "Repeatedly tap W" *isn't any better.* That's not a solution. At best, it's an irritating band aid. The Fact it's being suggested and that others are mentioning it should be fairly obvious something's broken.

This game's over seven years old, why is this even needed? Are follows that new?

And to answer some other questions:

• I didn't have stealth (I think I said that already.)
• I didn't get killed. I got out of the stun finally, detoggled the stupid power and knocked the ambush back so I had time to heal and fight back.
• It wasn't a tip mission. It was a patron mission for ghost widow. (One of the ones after 45.) But I've run into this Artificial Stupidity before, quite a lot.
• Yes, they DO fall behind and go stupid with sprint. And without it. Which is why I used walk.
• Normally I DO detoggle walk - as soon as I see NPC ambush text. I'm not a moron as some of you oh-so-perfect players seem to want to imply. I had zero time to with this ambush.