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I have it from a reliable source that there are some other cones available to brutes outside of Claws.|
Originally Posted by Auroxis
Which is only the case with Claws if you're surrounded.
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I would rather AoE the stuff surrounding me instead of wasting time jumping around.
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Why would you aggro two spawns instead of killing the stuff surrounding you?
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Originally Posted by Auroxis
I never find this to be the case. If you're surrounded with so many critters you can't move, there's only one thing you need to do: AoE the crap out of em.
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All in all, I don't see any reason for jumping to move being an inherently or categorically bad idea. ymmv
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None of which require you to move away from a tight spawn in order to be effective. Repulsing Torrent, maybe, but that one's rarely used.|
Originally Posted by all_hell
I have it from a reliable source that there are some other cones available to brutes outside of Claws.
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| That might be more optimal for some, but not an optimal option for all builds. Sometimes, it can be useful to take a out a specific target first--not getting to that sapper or w/e in time has the potential create an issue. |
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Mains (Freedom) @Auroxis
Auroxis - Emp/Rad/Power Defender Pylon Video Soloing an AV
Pelvic Thunder - SS/Elec/Mu Brute
Sorajin - Elec/Nin Stalker
Neuropain - Sonic/Mental/Elec Blaster
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I also jump around in combat, and have a SS/Electric brute. I don't get knocked around enough to make it so annoying that I feel I must go out and buy a -KB IO (I have them on most everything else that doesn't have inherent KB protection) -- it happens infrequently enough that I'm momentarily surprised when it occurs (I'm always alting to characters that don't have this limitation).|
Originally Posted by Clouded
I tend to jump around in combat as well but mainly for positioning since I get frustrated at trying to move around mobs and player characters. A quick tap of the space bar and I can get around things much easier. I do take CJ on nearly every character too.
Auroxis, sorry if I came across aggressive or anything. I realize where you are coming from and it makes sense. I hope there are no hard feelings.  But I am very annoyed now. Thanks to this thread I now have a new lowbie brute. I decided on SS/Elec since I have a gazillion Fire type characters and only one Super Strength. |
The question is really whether it's worth a slot. You can put a BotZ: -KB in your travel power, a Karma: -KB in Combat Jumping or Weave, or a Steadfast: -KB in Grounded or one of your armors. Doing one of those either costs you a slot or it means you can't slot Steadfast: +Def, a LotG: +recharge or a Winter's Gift: +slow resistance in a "free" slot.
If you have enough recharge (who ever does?) you could slot the Karma in Combat Jumping. But since Lightning Reflexes already gives you 40% resistance to slow, you might put the BotZ: -KB in your travel power and just skip the Winter's Gift altogether. It's an option that Electric Armor has that most other secondaries don't.
Auroxis,
Do you solo mainly? I ask this because I get that vibe from your responses.
Jumping in combat is helpful to control aggro at times. Sometimes the mobs don't all line up so neatly that your AoEs are going to reach them or their aggro will spill onto a teammate. Jumping out of the mob to help out a team member is also a viable tactic.
Now, don't get it twisted and think that we are all bunny hopping around the mission. It's more of a "oh crap, I need to get over there quickly and there are obstacles in the way." Trying to manuever your brute around mobs and PCs might not be the best idea.
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I solo and team, though I mostly team. If a teammate is in trouble from a stray mob, I taunt the mob. If I'm fully surrounded by mobs, there's no need to re-position myself to get better AoE coverage.
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Originally Posted by Clouded
Auroxis,
Do you solo mainly? I ask this because I get that vibe from your responses. Jumping in combat is helpful to control aggro at times. Sometimes the mobs don't all line up so neatly that your AoEs are going to reach them or their aggro will spill onto a teammate. Jumping out of the mob to help out a team member is also a viable tactic. Now, don't get it twisted and think that we are all bunny hopping around the mission. It's more of a "oh crap, I need to get over there quickly and there are obstacles in the way." Trying to manuever your brute around mobs and PCs might not be the best idea. |
Mains (Freedom) @Auroxis
Auroxis - Emp/Rad/Power Defender Pylon Video Soloing an AV
Pelvic Thunder - SS/Elec/Mu Brute
Sorajin - Elec/Nin Stalker
Neuropain - Sonic/Mental/Elec Blaster
This may or may not help any, but here is my Super Strength / Electric Armor Brute build. Like I said in a post earlier, I can farm Borea missions at +4x8 easily, although usually at +1x8 since I mostly farm for purple IO recipes.
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I'm sure there are better SS / Elec Brute builds out there. I used to also help lead Hamidon raids on that toon, where Hover is helpful, and an extra 12 points of knockback protection are necessary. But it works for me with no issues.
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@Celestial Lord and @Celestial Lord Too
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So, you have Taunt from level 1-50? And you are always surrounded? Never any lose aggro, ever?|
Originally Posted by Auroxis
I solo and team, though I mostly team. If a teammate is in trouble from a stray mob, I taunt the mob. If I'm fully surrounded by mobs, there's no need to re-position myself to get better AoE coverage.
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I know for my brutes, that Taunt is usually an after thought while I level. I tend to grab taunt auras right away by Taunt I wait to see if there will be room later in the build.
My point is that you don't seem to admit that there are occasions where jumping in combat could prove useful and necessary.
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Originally Posted by Clouded
So, you have Taunt from level 1-50? And you are always surrounded? Never any lose aggro, ever?
I know for my brutes, that Taunt is usually an after thought while I level. I tend to grab taunt auras right away by Taunt I wait to see if there will be room later in the build. My point is that you don't seem to admit that there are occasions where jumping in combat could prove useful and necessary. |
I don't play under 50 enough for the lack of Taunt to be significant, and if I'm not surrounded by mobs I don't need to jump.
Note: I never argued that there's no use in getting the KB protection IO. All I'm saying is that there are simply better things to spend your slots on.
Mains (Freedom) @Auroxis
Auroxis - Emp/Rad/Power Defender Pylon Video Soloing an AV
Pelvic Thunder - SS/Elec/Mu Brute
Sorajin - Elec/Nin Stalker
Neuropain - Sonic/Mental/Elec Blaster
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All I'm saying is that you are making blanket statements without knowing the ins/outs of each possible build.
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Originally Posted by Auroxis
I don't play under 50 enough for the lack of Taunt to be significant, and if I'm not surrounded by mobs I don't need to jump.
Note: I never argued that there's no use in getting the KB protection IO. All I'm saying is that there are simply better things to spend your slots on. |
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Which I disagree with. If you want to make your character better, there are always better things to spend your slots on unless you frequent Hami or use Claws. Extra recharge, extra defense, slow resistance, and even extra HP and regen would all be better than something extremely situational such as KB protection off the ground.
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Originally Posted by Clouded
All I'm saying is that you are making blanket statements without knowing the ins/outs of each possible build.
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Mains (Freedom) @Auroxis
Auroxis - Emp/Rad/Power Defender Pylon Video Soloing an AV
Pelvic Thunder - SS/Elec/Mu Brute
Sorajin - Elec/Nin Stalker
Neuropain - Sonic/Mental/Elec Blaster
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This is true, but moving can make them more effective by increasing the number of potential targets.|
Originally Posted by Auroxis
None of which require you to move away from a tight spawn in order to be effective. Repulsing Torrent, maybe, but that one's rarely used.
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Originally Posted by Auroxis
At any rate, firing off an AoE or two will clear the minions which lets you move without jumping.
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And if you spot something hazardous, you can always get near it before the other mobs get the time to cluster around you.
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Originally Posted by Auroxis
If they're about to be all defeated then why are you surrounded?
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I totally concede the argument. You win. It's always, always, always a bad idea to jump to re-position yourself no matter your build or power-set choices.
Some of us just aren't as enlightened as you and thus remain obdurate.
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You are assuming that the build has the ability to slot more IOs than 1 in a default slot and that the build hasn't slotted the other uniques available.
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Originally Posted by Auroxis
Which I disagree with. If you want to make your character better, there are always better things to spend your slots on unless you frequent Hami or use Claws. Extra recharge, extra defense, slow resistance, and even extra HP and regen would all be better than something extremely situational such as KB protection off the ground.
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How am I assuming that, exactly?
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Originally Posted by Clouded
You are assuming that the build has the ability to slot more IOs than 1 in a default slot and that the build hasn't slotted the other uniques available.
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Mains (Freedom) @Auroxis
Auroxis - Emp/Rad/Power Defender Pylon Video Soloing an AV
Pelvic Thunder - SS/Elec/Mu Brute
Sorajin - Elec/Nin Stalker
Neuropain - Sonic/Mental/Elec Blaster
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Originally Posted by Auroxis
How am I assuming that, exactly?
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Originally Posted by Auroxis
If you want to make your character better, there are always better things to spend your slots on unless you frequent Hami or use Claws. Extra recharge, extra defense, slow resistance, and even extra HP and regen would all be better than something extremely situational such as KB protection off the ground.
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I can't see how that relates to what you said.
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Originally Posted by Clouded
You said...
Emphasis mine. |
Mains (Freedom) @Auroxis
Auroxis - Emp/Rad/Power Defender Pylon Video Soloing an AV
Pelvic Thunder - SS/Elec/Mu Brute
Sorajin - Elec/Nin Stalker
Neuropain - Sonic/Mental/Elec Blaster
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Really? Sheesh. |
Originally Posted by Auroxis
I can't see how that relates to what you said.
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Well, I guess there's no point in having a discussion with you then.
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Pardon me for not having the mind-reading capabilities you have.
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Originally Posted by Clouded
Really? Sheesh.
Well, I guess there's no point in having a discussion with you then. |
Mains (Freedom) @Auroxis
Auroxis - Emp/Rad/Power Defender Pylon Video Soloing an AV
Pelvic Thunder - SS/Elec/Mu Brute
Sorajin - Elec/Nin Stalker
Neuropain - Sonic/Mental/Elec Blaster
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Oh, you must have slotted up your Passive Aggressive Proc...my wife uses that one too.
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Originally Posted by Auroxis
Pardon me for not having the mind-reading capabilities you have.
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Not really, I just prefer to have a discussion instead of berating people for not understanding my intentions. If you would care to explain what you meant, we can get back on course.
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Originally Posted by Clouded
Oh, you must have slotted up your Passive Aggressive Proc...my wife uses that one too.
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Mains (Freedom) @Auroxis
Auroxis - Emp/Rad/Power Defender Pylon Video Soloing an AV
Pelvic Thunder - SS/Elec/Mu Brute
Sorajin - Elec/Nin Stalker
Neuropain - Sonic/Mental/Elec Blaster
You guys should make a jumping thread, you're off topic.
Any good player can do a jumping cone attack and then do a mid air aoe attack though.
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Oh woe is you. |
Originally Posted by Auroxis
Not really, I just prefer to have a discussion instead of berating people for not understanding my intentions. If you would care to explain what you meant, we can get back on course.
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Hmm? What? Sorry didn't catch that... I had to jump up there and kill that Longbow Chaser... |
Originally Posted by all_hell
It's always, always, always a bad idea to jump to re-position yourself no matter your build or power-set choices.
Some of us just aren't as enlightened as you and thus remain obdurate. |
@Quasadu
"We must prepare for DOOM and hope for FREEM." - SirFrederick
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You should have just used one of your 5 AoE attacks.
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Originally Posted by Quasadu
Hmm? What? Sorry didn't catch that... I had to jump up there and kill that Longbow Chaser...
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Wait, people play this game without bunny hopping in combat?
Sometimes it seems like the disconnect that exists between "blasters suck!" posters and "no they don't!" posters, to use an example that constantly pushes my buttons, is that the former class is unaware that you can actually move while you shoot (or while you melee!). It's almost tempting to just fraps up a video of it but, eh, that's a lot of effort for something that seems like it should be easy enough for anyone to figure out on their own.
I used to farm Rikti back when they were cool before AE. I don't remember why though. All i got was merits for some costumes pieces.
With DB/ELA i had to jump around alot to position the cones