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So long as its extremely easier to soft cap positional defense vs typed, I will never touch this set. True enough its gotten easier but I see no reason to pay more to softcap it.
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Originally Posted by Xilibrius
I'm curious to see how everyone feels about the upcoming revamp and proliferation of Energy Aura? My first 50 was and still is a Super Strength Energy Aura brute that as time has gone by especially when i compare him to my Dark Melee Shield brute he feels so pathetic in terms of survival not really comparing DPS. Even when soft capped he still feels lack luster so i'm hoping the upcoming change will be what he's needed to feel uber to me. Having a straight heal with regen boost will be nice plus the recharge buff being added to the new Entropic Aura sounds sweet. on top of that the thought of rolling an Energy Aura stalker sounds nice becuase of the change of Repel to Disruption.
So how about everyone else? Its kinda of sad for me to say that with despite all the awesome upcoming content to issue 21 this is the one thing i'm looking forward to the most. |
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Because comparing a soft-capped SR to a soft-capped Energy Aura is laughable. Unless you are doing ITF's all day, you can't compare. |
Originally Posted by EvilRyu
So long as its extremely easier to soft cap positional defense vs typed, I will never touch this set. True enough its gotten easier but I see no reason to pay more to softcap it.
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Pound for pound, SR really stinks, and I have a soft-capped FM/SR Scrapper that I built for soloing AV's. Walk into a 4/8 Rikti mission with "teh uber builds" and see who lasts longer, or goes longer. :3
And, with the new changes, Energy Aura simply will be a knife through butter. Gonna have to roll an EA Scrapper for every primary. Again.
Edit: Or Malta. Or Carnies (yes, even Carnies). A Fortunata can pop you good, but their low resistance means you can rely on your primary to three shot them-ish. The only REAL EA killer is the same thing that kills SR: DE Quartz.
+Res sets are tougher than +Def sets because its easier to raise def with pools/IOs. Moreover is doable to softcap def from scrach without any +Def powers on your defensive power set.
Now they could tweak over and over power sets to give some damage res, damage debuff, CCish utility, self healing or whatever to weaker power sets but it wont change the problem. It would be way more effective to just add descent +res on some IO sets (or create new sets). So you'd had the choice to roll a very evasive hero and build him for more toughness, and some non healing squishies would build for S/L/Rng def when strong healers may likely go for AT res cap.
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Originally Posted by Nightchill_EU
+Res sets are tougher than +Def sets because its easier to raise def with pools/IOs.
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Originally Posted by Auroxis
Eh, I've made no sacrifices with my S/L softcapped SS/Elec brute. Except my wallet, of course.
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Originally Posted by Auroxis
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That fully depends on your definition of sacrifice. With Spiritual I have Energize, 2x Rage, and Hasten very close to perma before the FF +Rech proc. To me that means I haven't sacrificed any meaningful levels of recharge. I have a lot of HP, lots of Regen, and a seamless attack chain with purple procs.|
Originally Posted by JuliusSeizure
There's not much to say if you actually think that build has not made sacrifices to achieve the softcap to SM/L...
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On a scrapper, you could say that I could have gone for global damage bonuses and Musculature instead. But this is a brute with double stacked rage, so any further damage bonuses won't contribute much.
Mains (Freedom) @Auroxis
Auroxis - Emp/Rad/Power Defender Pylon Video Soloing an AV
Pelvic Thunder - SS/Elec/Mu Brute
Sorajin - Elec/Nin Stalker
Neuropain - Sonic/Mental/Elec Blaster
Yes, but your build HAS made sacrifices and conveniently uses Rage as a band-aid for the most egregious: a dirth of accuracy and damage. Just because it works for the combination of Super Strength/ELA doesn't mean that you can make blanket statements about ELA overall. There's only one primary with Rage.
You have sacrificed socketed enhancement values, end mod in Lightning Field, end mod in Power Sink, global accuracy, global recharge, proc damage opportunities, augmented knock back protection, and the ability to use Energize as a spot heal rather than an endurance management/regen tool to name a few. These are all sacrifices in exchange for defense to the SM/L vector with no DDR. You would be surprised to find out how much survivability you are sacrificing by not having end mod in Lightning Field and End Mod capped Power Sink augmented by Musculature Radial.
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What exactly would you need more recharge for? Extra KB protection is only necessary if you're reeeeeally touchy about it. And why can't this build use Energize as a spot heal?
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Originally Posted by JuliusSeizure
You have sacrificed socketed enhancement values, end mod in Lightning Field, End Mod in Power Sink, global accuracy, global recharge, proc damage opportunities, augmented Knock Back protection, and the ability to use Energize as a spot heal rather than an endurance management/regen tool to name a few. These are all sacrifices in exchange for defense to the SM/L vector with no DDR. You would be surprised to find out how much survivability you are sacrificing by not having end mod in Lightning Field and End Mod capped Power Sink augmented by Musculature Radial.
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1. When you stated that building for S/L def gimps your Elec armor character, you didn't mention that SS is vetoed as a viable primary, my bad.|
Originally Posted by JuliusSeizure
Yes, but you build HAS made sacrifices and conveniently uses Rage as a band-aid for the most egregious: a dirth of accuracy and damage. Just because it works for the combination of Super Strength/ELA doesn't mean that you can make blanket statements about ELA overall. There's only one primary with Rage.
You have sacrificed socketed enhancement values, end mod in Lightning Field, End Mod in Power Sink, global accuracy, global recharge, proc damage opportunities, augmented Knock Back protection, and the ability to use Energize as a spot heal rather than an endurance management/regen tool to name a few. These are all sacrifices in exchange for defense to the SM/L vector with no DDR. You would be surprised to find out how much survivability you are sacrificing by not having end mod in Lightning Field and End Mod capped Power Sink augmented by Musculature Radial. |
2. I have that endmod in LF/PS covered with Mu mastery, and in cases with defense debuffs the S/L softcap keeps me alive enough to drain the spawn(And I also have Ion).
3. A regular damage proc doesn't make that much of a difference. Sure it's nice if you want to push your DPS to the limit, but that's not what I picked SS/Elec/Mu for.
4. With regular use of PS, I get to keep Energize for any spike damage(I also have Rebirth).
All in all this doesn't seem at all like gimping to me. I use drains successfully and the S/L softcap kept me alive countless times, especially in defense debuff environments.
Mains (Freedom) @Auroxis
Auroxis - Emp/Rad/Power Defender Pylon Video Soloing an AV
Pelvic Thunder - SS/Elec/Mu Brute
Sorajin - Elec/Nin Stalker
Neuropain - Sonic/Mental/Elec Blaster
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Both strategies are viable, though I agree with Auroxis in that I'd rather have Spiritual for the recharge on a Brute without a lot of AOEs. I also would've changed at least one power and the slotting on several, but that's just down to personal preference. The Musculature bonus to damage just doesn't match up against the Spiritual bonus to recharge in this particular case.|
Originally Posted by JuliusSeizure
Yes, but your build HAS made sacrifices and conveniently uses Rage as a band-aid for the most egregious: a dirth of accuracy and damage. Just because it works for the combination of Super Strength/ELA doesn't mean that you can make blanket statements about ELA overall. There's only one primary with Rage.
You have sacrificed socketed enhancement values, end mod in Lightning Field, End Mod in Power Sink, global accuracy, global recharge, proc damage opportunities, augmented knock back protection, and the ability to use Energize as a spot heal rather than an endurance management/regen tool to name a few. These are all sacrifices in exchange for defense to the SM/L vector with no DDR. You would be surprised to find out how much survivability you are sacrificing by not having end mod in Lightning Field and End Mod capped Power Sink augmented by Musculature Radial. |
While SS may be the only primary with Rage (an absolutely incredible power), you can't discount what it brings to the table. I'm not a big fan of double-stacking it in normal PVE (too much time spent crashed), but that's just me. It does cover a huge hole in most Brute builds (accuracy), which is also why it is one of the most popular primaries.
If you change to Elec/Elec, then different things become important. You can't rely on Rage to make up accuracy or provide a consistent damage buff, so you have to build differently to remain competent. You end up with more AOEs, so you have to deal with slotting limits a bit more, too. I'd say that it becomes harder to softcap and easier to maximize sapping, which would make JS's style a bit more useful. Accuracy becomes a serious and occasionally debilitating issue.
I am not saying that the build needs to change at all. It works just fine as is. But you can't say that sacrifices weren't made in pursuit of that goal.
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Recharge is the least important. Someone else raised that first, not me. The most damning sacrifice is accuracy and damage, something that only Super Strength can pretty much ignore.|
Originally Posted by Exxar
What exactly would you need more recharge for?
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Originally Posted by Exxar
Extra KB protection is only necessary if you're reeeeeally touch about it.
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Originally Posted by Exxar
And why can't this build use Energize as a spot heal?
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No I didn't. But given that 10 out of 11 primaries are not Super Strength it's pretty fair to make that claim.
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Originally Posted by Auroxis
1. When you stated that building for S/L def gimps your Elec armor character, you didn't mention that SS is vetoed as a viable primary, my bad.
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When fighting AV's solo, I have to use Energize every time it's up if I want to avoid using Power Sink constantly(which hurts DPS). I still have Rebirth as a spike heal(which is enhanced by Spiritual), and that way I can save Power Sink for the rage crash(one of the greatest things about SS/Elec).
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Originally Posted by JuliusSeizure
I may be wrong here because it's been a while, but the EPS of attacks and double stacked rage crashes is quite heavy, and the combo suffers against AVs because Power Sink simply can't keep up. The last time I played my SS/ELA, which has a very similar build as the one posted, I tended to use Energize to reduce my endurance consumption nearly constantly.
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Mains (Freedom) @Auroxis
Auroxis - Emp/Rad/Power Defender Pylon Video Soloing an AV
Pelvic Thunder - SS/Elec/Mu Brute
Sorajin - Elec/Nin Stalker
Neuropain - Sonic/Mental/Elec Blaster
Yup, 3-slotted Power Sink as in Auroxis' build is more than enough to keep your blue bar topped off in all circumstances except when fighting a single target.
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I agree, Rebirth is great for ELA-- especially since you have Spiritual as your alpha.|
Originally Posted by Auroxis
When fighting AV's solo, I have to use Energize every time it's up if I want to avoid using Power Sink constantly(which hurts DPS). I still have Rebirth as a spike heal(which is enhanced by Spiritual), and that way I can save Power Sink for the rage crash(one of the greatest things about SS/Elec).
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And again, the gist of me posting is that I feel that the buffs to EA put ELA into a bit of a difficult position. EA appears to be receiving all of the perks that ELA used to have (recharge, end protecton, Energize) while gaining what appears to be a massive bump to survivability with revamped numbers and scaling defense in Drain Power. Given that the two sets are already so darn similar with Power Sink and Energize, it makes me wonder just how much opportunity ELA pays in receiving a damage aura.
Mains (Freedom) @Auroxis
Auroxis - Emp/Rad/Power Defender Pylon Video Soloing an AV
Pelvic Thunder - SS/Elec/Mu Brute
Sorajin - Elec/Nin Stalker
Neuropain - Sonic/Mental/Elec Blaster