The Dead Pool


Amy_Amp

 

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Okay, folks. Time to pony up. Who do you think is going to die in the signature arcs? Or, if you like, who do you WISH would die? :-p

I've got 500 inf on Manticore.


 

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I feel that killing off signature characters is a bad idea in general, so no bets on my end.


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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

 

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I'm actually wanting to do this as a real contest... just double checking with the community reps to make sure it's ok, since it's close to being gambling.


 

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None. Killing off actual Sigs for no good reason is a sign of poor writing and desperately grabbing for 'Look at this! Isn't this shocking?!' points. I would hope our writers, who have recently put out some fantastic stuff, wouldn't sully themselves and stoop that low.

Mind you, given the whole background to the Puddle of Annoyance...


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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

 

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People still talk about Tasha Yar. As Oscar Wilde said, "It is better to be talked about than to be not talked about."

Put another way:

"Will you ride with me, son of Arathorn? Maybe we shall cleave a road, or make such an end as will be worth a song – if any be left to sing of us hereafter."

Shocking or not, if the death is worth retelling later, then it will have been a good death. It's up to the devs to make sure that it IS "worth a song".


 

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I've seen some of the artwork hinting at Manticore and Back Alley Brawler, and even a few have suggested Sister Psyche...

If someone were to die and have it make an impact within the Phalanx beyond "So, who do we get to replace him?" it would have to be somebody like Psyche or Statesman, the characters who represent the soul and mind of the Phalanx. Manticore is cunning, and he had some nifty representation in the Top Cow comics, and the Wedding Event was interesting, but he still comes off as rather expendable.

Of course, there's also the fact that a lot of different players have problems with the various Signature Characters. While they have their ups and downs, I've never found any reason to jump on the bandwagon of hate for any character, whether it's a contact (I've heard a lot of hate leveled Crimson's way) or a hero/villain (Statesman, of course).

I don't understand the hatred of Statesman as a character. A lot of players still call him by various insults, but I've never seen it in his character speech or behavior. I recall friction with the developer, but I don't see that as reason to dump on the character. The inverse is true, too, since the developer Black Scorpion has been fun with the community and has helped bring us some awesome stuff lately, but the character in-game is about as interesting as a box of limestone rocks.

If a character HAS to die, I hope it's handled tastefully and respectfully. It's going to be hard to make the death have meaning, like what was done with Cyrus Thompson (the guy who has a statue of himself sitting on a bench feeding pigeons in Kings Row).

Then again, it might be Comic Book Death in the end. If we don't see it happen, chances are it didn't. The character might return later for a dramatic reveal, possibly scarred or altered as a result of his journey, but still the same person at heart.


My Stories

Look at that. A full-grown woman pulling off pigtails. Her crazy is off the charts.

 

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My guess is Sis, purely cos the whole mind riding thing makes it easy to bring her back...


 

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Manticore seems too obvious so if one were gonna die I'd think it would be SP (and that's assuming it's one of the Phalanx), but I have my doubts about anyone really dying, honestly.


 

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I wish Statesman and all his analogues would undergo total existence failure, but that's not going to happen
In fact, the opposite's going to happen


@Golden Girl

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Originally Posted by SlickRiptide View Post
Shocking or not, if the death is worth retelling later, then it will have been a good death. It's up to the devs to make sure that it IS "worth a song".
I find life to be worth retelling more than death. If the signature arcs end up killing a signature character, I simply won't run them. I have no interest in populist shock deaths. Any time you advertise your story as featuring a death like that's the main attraction, I lose all respect for it instantly. I'm not interested in another Countdown or Cry for Justice.


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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

 

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This statue commemorates the hero Orion, whom Orion's Beltway was renamed after. During the first Rikti War, Orion fought valiantly against the Rikti, saving the people of this small district. He was remembered, in particular, as the hero with no real powers beyond his knowledge of martial arts.
It's possible for death to give cause to recall the life and actions of the deceased and render meaning to it thereby. If you are American and I mention Colonel David Crocket dieing at the Alamo, you probably end up thinking about a lot more than just a guy fighting for his life and losing in the end.\

Now, there's death and there's death, also. Going just by the published comics, the entire Phalanx has died once and Manticore and Statesman have each died twice (each at the hand of Manticore, go figure). Personally, I'd be pretty disillusioned by the old switcheroo gambit but it's not like there's no precedent for it.

Likewise, the death of Cyrus Thompson shows how a throwaway secondary character can practically become a signature character as a result of his death, but moreso because of what that death symbolized about his life and beliefs.

Is there room for bad storytelling? You bet there is. Is it a guarantee that there will BE bad storytelling? No, and I sincerely hope that what we get is a lot more like Cyrus Thompson, or even, if we must, like Manticore sacrificing himself because it was the only thing left to do after he already gambled his friend's life and lost.

My fear is that we'll end up with something like issue 20 of the comic. I give a lot of kudos to Matt and Co. as game designers, but as comic book writers, I'm sorry; they left rather a lot to be desired.

That aside, I think that that relating the death of a signature character (and "signature" does not necessarily mean a member of the Freedom Phalanx or the Vindicators - I have a feeling that a character like Azuria could generate a lot of sympathy if it was written correctly) can also be a way to reflect upon the life of that character as well.


 

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Statesman. I'll openly admit I despise more than is justifiable. I'm sure a lot of it is based on my initial reaction to seeing him with his wannabe Magneto helm. For such a signature character, his look comes across as being mailed in. The fact that he has been classified in lore as kind of a jerk isn't helping. Add in Jack taking on the name and being the spiting image personality wise of States and well, it was just too many nails in the coffin. Love the name to the point of being jealous and wished there was a better character in there.


 

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Add in Jack taking on the name and being the spiting image personality wise of States and well
Actually, he was way closer to Tyrant - he knew what was best for the people, and only his way was allowed


@Golden Girl

City of Heroes comics and artwork

 

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I still hope they drop the ax on Miss Liberty. I never have liked her.


@Brightfires - @Talisander
That chick what plays the bird-things...

 

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So, what, no wagers? 500 inf, that'll buy a couple of green inspirations and you know how good those taste...


 

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I still hope they drop the ax on Miss Liberty. I never have liked her.
You mean Ms. Liberty? I don't think that Alexis has really done anything to get annoyed about unless you think that defending Presidents or handing out Christmas presents is annoying. If you're of a villainous bent then I suppose that those things COULD be annoying...


 

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You mean Ms. Liberty? I don't think that Alexis has really done anything to get annoyed about unless you think that defending Presidents or handing out Christmas presents is annoying. If you're of a villainous bent then I suppose that those things COULD be annoying...
Doesn't she show up in the Mender Tesseract TF, though?

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Oh, this gives me an idea! Can we kill Mender Tesseract? Please?


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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

 

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Doesn't she show up in the Mender Tesseract TF, though?

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Oh, this gives me an idea! Can we kill Mender Tesseract? Please?
I sort of like her in a moth-to-a-flame kind of way. I'd get right behind a Kill Mender Silos initiative, though.


 

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You mean Ms. Liberty? I don't think that Alexis has really done anything to get annoyed about unless you think that defending Presidents or handing out Christmas presents is annoying. If you're of a villainous bent then I suppose that those things COULD be annoying...
Whatever.
The blond bimbo standing around Atlas Park.

I never have been able to keep up with which one was Ms. and which one was Miss. Although you've got a point for red-siders either way...


@Brightfires - @Talisander
That chick what plays the bird-things...

 

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Whatever.
The blond bimbo standing around Atlas Park.
Longbow is not a bimbo organization


@Golden Girl

City of Heroes comics and artwork

 

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Longbow is not a bimbo organization
Sez you!


 

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5000 inf on Sister Psyche.

She's one of two women in the Phalanx (the other of whom is a player-named-by-contest ghost), married to the Batman clone of the FP, and has already had a full lifespan despite looking like she's in her 20s. And there's only room in IP for one Phalanx member. If she buys it, Manticore can go full vigilante like he should have from day one, and finally stare at Swan without worrying his head's gonna get vaporized.

She can go.

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Sez you!
"Bimbo" is probably the kindest thing most of my Praetorians and red-side characters might call them. 'Not exactly a lot of love lost, there.


@Brightfires - @Talisander
That chick what plays the bird-things...