Sherlock Holmes: Game of Shadows Trailer
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Posted on: 2011-07-12 20:08 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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I'm glad I was able to watch it exclusively on iTunes trailers.
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Originally Posted by Unknown_User
Here's a trailer for the new Sherlock Holmes film coming out this December.
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That looks like a fun action-thriller in Victorian costume, although I don't see Sherlock Holmes or Professor Moriarty anywhere and can't tell who the equally doughy-faced protagonist and antagonist are supposed to be.
I joke, but honestly, the BBC did a better reboot of Conan Doyle's character recognizably.
The first one was ok I guess - it had some points I liked, to be sure - but somehow it just feels wrong to me to make stories about a very, very smart man revolve around lots of explosions.
Then again I tend to be lukewarm at best on a lot of things. 
Looks great.
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Except for the height difference, I always thought Downey looked more like the literary Sherlock Holmes than Jeremy Brett, who was supposed to look like Dr. Joseph Bell. Jeremy Brett looked more like Sidney Paget's Holmes, who looked like Paget.
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Originally Posted by TrueGentleman
That looks like a fun action-thriller in Victorian costume, although I don't see Sherlock Holmes or Professor Moriarty anywhere and can't tell who the equally doughy-faced protagonist and antagonist are supposed to be.
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Enjoyed the first. And the trailer for the second looks like another good time to be had!
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Does this sound even remotely like the physiognomy of Robert Downey, Jr.?|
Originally Posted by Innovator
Except for the height difference, I always thought Downey looked more like the literary Sherlock Holmes than Jeremy Brett
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| His eyes were sharp and piercing, save during those intervals of torpor to which I have alluded; and his thin, hawk-like nose gave his whole expression an air of alertness and decision. His chin, too, had the prominence and squareness which mark the man of determination. |
Chin and nose aside, Brett definitely had the piercing eyes and alertness down pat, whereas Downey just looks like he's tweaking when he becomes animated.
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I just think you've been biased by the popular images drawn by Paget. It's been molded in the minds of the public what Sherlock Holmes is supposed to look like even though that was not at first the intention of Conan Doyle. |
Originally Posted by TrueGentleman
Does this sound even remotely like the physiognomy of Robert Downey, Jr.?
Or did Holmes really let himself go because of cocaine addiction in the years following A Study in Scarlet? Chin and nose aside, Brett definitely had the piercing eyes and alertness down pat, whereas Downey just looks like he's tweaking when he becomes animated. |
Paget a Strand artist assigned to draw illustrations for the magazine rendered himself as the main. Doyle didn't like the renderings, as he thought Paget drew Holmes too handsomely. Where as those who knew Dr. Bell, knew instantly reading the story that Doyle was referring to him and Doyle admitted to it as well.
But Paget's imagery became what others knew and Doyle had to conceed to its popularity. It's tainted what everyone sees when they read the stories. For instance, it was also Paget who put Holmes in a deerstalker hat, even though he was never referenced in the stories to have worn so. Paget had illustrated it so for The Adventure Of Silver Blaze because he himself wore one...and it became iconic:
Hence Brett became the iconic Holmes as he looked like Paget.
Lets go this way:
Paget = Brett
And doey eyed Bell = doey eyed RDJ
Wow thats some great detective work Innovator ...and I loved the first (BIG RDJ fan) and can't wait for the new one it looks awesome!!! I agree BrandX its all about the entertainment value.
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And just for kicks...The other famous Holmes actor, Basil Rathbone, resembled the illustrations of another famous Holmes artist at the time, Frederic Door Steele assigned by Collier's Weekly. Steel was the man partly responsible for the calibash pipe now associated with the Holmes imagery, and not ever mentioned in the stories.
Steele himself didn't look like his Holmes drawings, as he had modeled his Holmes after the actor playing Holmes on stage, William Gillette. Gillette was actually the man responisible for the pipe as he used a bent briar pipe in his stage performance.
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I'm quoting Conan Doyle's own description that first introduced Holmes (incidentally, I know all about Paget and his bloody deerstalker, and Brett won me over chiefly by his performance, not his physique).|
Originally Posted by Innovator
I just think you've been biased by the popular images drawn by Paget.
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But here's what I look for in Holmes's facial features, following Conan Doyle: "sharp and piercing" eyes, "thin, hawk-like nose", and a square, prominent chin. If an actor doesn't have these exact features, then his performance must somehow convince the audience he does. Downey, a performer I generally enjoy even though he's basically always playing Robert Downey Jr., just doesn't have these. His dark eyes are too dark to focus in a piercing gaze, his nose is a ski-slope, and his strong-ish jawline has sagged with age. It's almost as badly off as casting Gary Oldman as George Smiley.
Seriously, nobody can call that nose remotely "hawk-like".
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Brett did not have a thin hawk-like nose either, nor did Paget's renditions. Dr. Bell did, and RDJ's features was closer to Bell's than Brett ever was.|
Originally Posted by TrueGentleman
I'm quoting Conan Doyle's own description that first introduced Holmes (incidentally, I know all about Paget and his bloody deerstalker, and Brett won me over chiefly by his performance, not his physique).
But here's what I look for in Holmes's facial features, following Conan Doyle: "sharp and piercing" eyes, "thin, hawk-like nose", and a square, prominent chin. If an actor doesn't have these exact features, then his performance must somehow convince the audience he does. Downey, a performer I generally enjoy even though he's basically always playing Robert Downey Jr., just doesn't have these. His dark eyes are too dark to focus in a piercing gaze, his nose is a ski-slope, and his strong-ish jawline has sagged with age. It's almost as badly off as casting Gary Oldman as George Smiley. Seriously, nobody can call that nose remotely "hawk-like". |
(Oh, and the "lean" Holmes is described as being over six feet tall. RDJr is maybe 5' 9". The whole conceit of Holmes intellectually dominating a scene the way he physically dominates it with his height is lost.)
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You go by Bell, I go by the book. Brett took a long time to win me over, and I still don't hold him up as the physical embodiment of Holmes. I don't know why you introduced him yourself into this thread. (At least he was tall enough to fill Holmes's shoes.)
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Originally Posted by Innovator
Brett did not have a thin hawk-like nose either, nor did Paget's renditions. Dr. Bell did, and RDJ's features was closer to Bells than Brett ever was.
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I go by Bell because Dr. Bell was the physical and mental embodiment of Holmes as admitted to by Doyle (and I did state the height difference).
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Originally Posted by TrueGentleman
You go by Bell, I go by the book. Brett took a long time to win me over, and I still don't hold him up as the physical embodiment of Holmes. I don't know why you introduced him yourself into this thread. (At least he was tall enough to fill Holmes's shoes.)
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Then it's a matter of literary criticism. I go by what Conan Doyle wrote when he created Holmes. His brilliant medical mentor is as relevant to his fictional character as his belief in fairies. "Never trust the artist. Trust the tale."
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Originally Posted by Innovator
I go by Bell because Dr. Bell was the physical and mental embodiment of Holmes as admitted to by Doyle (and I did state the height difference).
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No you go with the picture you have of him in your mind, and not what Doyle wrote. If you read what Doyle wrote and look at Bell, you would see that he describes Bell to a tee.
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Originally Posted by TrueGentleman
Then it's a matter of literary criticism. I go by what Conan Doyle wrote when he created Holmes. His brilliant medical mentor is as relevant to his fictional character as his belief in fairies. "Never trust the artist. Trust the tale."
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If you think that Bell has a "hawk-like nose", then you have your own highly idiosyncratic definition of what that looks like. There has to be a distinct hook to the profile, which neither Bell nor Downey possesses.|
Originally Posted by Innovator
If you read what Doyle wrote and look at Bell, you would see that he describes Bell to a tee.
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But the problems of phyiscal resemblance are nothing compared to the egotism of RDJr's performance. He's playing himself, again, as he does these days (I miss the actor who dedicated himself to channelling Charlie Chaplin). It's fun, but it's not Holmes.
Holy crap guys, the actor they got to play Sherlock has the wrong nose!
Really?
*shakes head*
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Originally Posted by Zikar
Holy crap guys, the actor they got to play Sherlock has the wrong nose!
Really? *shakes head* |
We're seriously arguing over a fictional character's appearance? Really?
RDJ can act. That's all that's required.
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I recall fans of comic book characters arguing over actors playing the roles of their favorite characters. So I really see no difference here.
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To anyone dissing the movie because it's not authentic enough.... who cares? It's a friggen summer movie. Get over it. If the transformers fans can do it, I'm sure it'll be easy enough for you.
This trailer looked decent enough... though I'm not particularly fond of seeing RDJ in women's makeup for half of it. Still... the casting of Jared Harris for Moriarty was brilliant enough to make me want to watch this as soon as it's released. He's one of my favorite actors and possess the kind of intellectual look to pull off the role nicely.
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How is Bell's nose not Hawk-like? The man's face nose and all looks like a hawk. I don't think you know what hawks look like.
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Originally Posted by TrueGentleman
If you think that Bell has a "hawk-like nose", then you have your own highly idiosyncratic definition of what that looks like. There has to be a distinct hook to the profile, which neither Bell nor Downey possesses.
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Here's a trailer for the new Sherlock Holmes film coming out this December.
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