From the Freedom Fridays Q&A yesterday on Facebook:
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That's just a list, there is no published order yet. Based on most of the other blaster primaries, it will probably look something like this:|
Current powers for Dark Blast (subject to change): - Dark Blast - Gloom - Aim - Moonbeam - Tenebrous Tentacles - Abyssal Gaze - Life Drain - Blackstar and -Umbral Torrent |
-Dark Blast
-Gloom
-Tenebrous Tentacles
-Aim
-Moonbeam
-Abyssal Gaze
-Umbral Torrent
-Life Drain
-Blackstar
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If they improve Life Drain to be akin to Dark Melee's Siphon Life, a more useful attack that also gives a heal, I think I may just have a new blaster.|
Originally Posted by Winterminal
From the Freedom Fridays Q&A yesterday on Facebook:
That's just a list, there is no published order yet. Based on most of the other blaster primaries, it will probably look something like this: -Dark Blast -Gloom -Tenebrous Tentacles -Aim -Moonbeam -Abyssal Gaze -Umbral Torrent -Life Drain -Blackstar |
That said, I want to see more tentacles and useful ones at that! A wider cone on TT for sure.
Not sure if UT has tentacles, but I hope so! And AG I hope has people held in tentacles!
Basically I want to see the shadowy tentacles flying everywhere!
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Actually, I hope the order is more like:
-Dark Blast
-Gloom
-Umbral Torrent
-Abyssal Gaze
-Aim
-Moonbeam
-Tenebrous Tentacles
-Life Drain
-Blackstar
Would look more like the ordering of the other sets for Blasters.
This set looks good, too bad the DEVs gave us a Blapper Dark Man. set...
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I doubt they're going to give us Tenebrous Tentacles at level 2.|
Originally Posted by Winterminal
That's just a list, there is no published order yet. Based on most of the other blaster primaries, it will probably look something like this: -Dark Blast -Gloom -Tenebrous Tentacles -Aim -Moonbeam -Abyssal Gaze -Umbral Torrent -Life Drain -Blackstar |
It will probably be more like:
-Dark Blast
-Gloom
-Umbral Torrent
-Moonbeam
-Aim
-Tenebrous Tentacles
-Abyssal Gaze
-Life Drain
-Blackstar
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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Originally Posted by Le Blanc
Not AS excited as I was. I would almost give up Aim for another ranged ST damage (more like Archery). And thats coming from somebody who LOVES Aim. Oh well. And I am guessing Abyssal Gaze will be a cone fear. Hmmmm. Time will tell. Hopefully I can see it in Beta if they drop the vet invites.
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It's already confirmed on the Proliferation page that Abyssal Gaze is a single target Hold and DoT.
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I wonder how much damage it does. Bitter Freeze Ray level? Cosmic Burst level? Stunning Shot level?
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Originally Posted by Oathbound
*emphasis mine*
It's already confirmed on the Proliferation page that Abyssal Gaze is a single target Hold and DoT. |
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Is it to much to hope it's Incinerate level? |
Originally Posted by StratoNexus
I wonder how much damage it does. Bitter Freeze Ray level? Cosmic Burst level? Stunning Shot level?
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I'm curious if Abysmal Gaze or Life Drain will be as effective as a third ST blast.|
Originally Posted by BrandX
Is it to much to hope it's Incinerate level?
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I'm hoping that maybe Abysmal will work like a ranged Warshade's Gravity Well, and that Life Drain will function like a ranged siphon life or essence drain. *Fingers Crossed*
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I bet you anything that Umbral Torrent is basically Thorn Barrage with different graphics and negative/smashing instead of lethal/toxic.
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It's hard to judge. I am betting Abyssal Gaze's damage will be on par with Freeze Ray (very minor) and then Life Drain's damage will be "Moderate." Personally, I would have preferred they kept Night Fall, got rid of Torrent, and added a third ST target blast instead. But alas...
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Originally Posted by MutantX_7
I'm curious if Abysmal Gaze or Life Drain will be as effective as a third ST blast.
I'm hoping that maybe Abysmal will work like a ranged Warshade's Gravity Well, and that Life Drain will function like a ranged siphon life or essence drain. *Fingers Crossed* |
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That would make it about as damaging as Blaze, with a hold; although it will likely have Petrifying Gaze's animation time (which is the same as Incinerate's time, coincidentally), which means its DPA would still be way lower than Blaze and slightly lower than Bitter Ice Blast and TK Blast.|
Originally Posted by BrandX
Is it to much to hope it's Incinerate level?
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Honestly, it seems unlikely, but it is not out of the realm of possible.
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What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
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I'm leaning towards Abyssal Gaze dealing 1scale damage (like controller holds do), and Life Drain being basically unchanged, though I REALLY would like ALL versions of Life Drain to get the same buff Siphon Life got.|
Originally Posted by Winterminal
It's hard to judge. I am betting Abyssal Gaze's damage will be on par with Freeze Ray (very minor) and then Life Drain's damage will be "Moderate." Personally, I would have preferred they kept Night Fall, got rid of Torrent, and added a third ST target blast instead. But alas...
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As far as Night Fall goes, they couldn't have just left that in the set because Blasters already get it in the Soul Mastery PPP. It had to change no matter what.
A new T3 blast also wasn't in the cards as that would have required animation/art time. The sets that got proliferated were specifically chosen because they wouldn't require and new art resources. (The art and animation teams are apparently fully booked till past i21.)
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Moving this to where it belongs, since the only cone in Dark Manipulation is Shadow Maul.
Is this a good opportunity to get the ranges and the arcs on the cones brought into something closer to alignment? Tenebrous Tentacles being 40ft/40deg, Umbral Torrent at whatever they decide (Torrent was 80ft/20deg), Nightfall at 60ft/20deg and Soul Tentacles at 40ft/25deg is just annoying as all get-out. Slotting them all similarly (especially with any IO set with Range enhancements) makes them further apart.
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Yeah, I never will understand the logic of having sets with multiple cones, of multiple varied size.
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Originally Posted by ArchGemini
Moving this to where it belongs, since the only cone in Dark Manipulation is Shadow Maul.
Is this a good opportunity to get the ranges and the arcs on the cones brought into something closer to alignment? Tenebrous Tentacles being 40ft/40deg, Umbral Torrent at whatever they decide (Torrent was 80ft/20deg), Nightfall at 60ft/20deg and Soul Tentacles at 40ft/25deg is just annoying as all get-out. Slotting them all similarly (especially with any IO set with Range enhancements) makes them further apart. |
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I have a dark/dark corrupter that's been gathering dust for a while. Just wondering what the difference will be playwise other than one gets scourge and the other doesnt?
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Why wouldn't it simply be Torrent animation with Nightfall DoT?
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Originally Posted by JayboH
I bet you anything that Umbral Torrent is basically Thorn Barrage with different graphics and negative/smashing instead of lethal/toxic.
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On my Dark/Dark corruptor I always just thought of it as my lower damage control power was larger and in order to deal extra damage I had to narrow the focus a bit. |
Originally Posted by Oathbound
Yeah, I never will understand the logic of having sets with multiple cones, of multiple varied size.
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Granted, Nightfall is only 18% more damage than TT.I would be fine if they chose to normalize the cones only if they chose to make them all the same as TT. I would be very unhappy if they shrank the arc of TT. I'd rather TT stay wide and NF stay narrow than have them all change to be a 30 degree arc, for example.
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What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
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Well, the one that doesn't get Scourge will get Defiance and a higher damage scale. |
Originally Posted by Hercules
I have a dark/dark corrupter that's been gathering dust for a while. Just wondering what the difference will be playwise other than one gets scourge and the other doesnt?
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I expect Blaster Dark Blast will outdamage Corruptor Dark Blast by a little bit. Much the same as the rest of the sets.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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I suppose that's an idea that would work. I think Nightfall's animation is cooler though.|
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Why wouldn't it simply be Torrent animation with Nightfall DoT?
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...but yeah, Thorn Barrage IS basically what Umbral Torrent will be with those exceptions. It already uses the Nightfall animation only that it shoots thorns, but it has the kb with it that Umbral Torrent will have.
I'm not sure how many people have a high enough dominator to know what I am talking about though.
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You're right, I had forgotten that we get it in Soul Mastery (guess that's a testament to how much I play on red side |
Originally Posted by Oathbound
I'm leaning towards Abyssal Gaze dealing 1scale damage (like controller holds do), and Life Drain being basically unchanged, though I REALLY would like ALL versions of Life Drain to get the same buff Siphon Life got.
As far as Night Fall goes, they couldn't have just left that in the set because Blasters already get it in the Soul Mastery PPP. It had to change no matter what. A new T3 blast also wasn't in the cards as that would have required animation/art time. The sets that got proliferated were specifically chosen because they wouldn't require and new art resources. (The art and animation teams are apparently fully booked till past i21.) |
).To be fair, we are getting a "new" power with the set (Umbral Torrent), but that's just me picking apart semantics, since I doubt there will be a new animation for the power, but rather just different effects. I'm banking on Torrent's animation since, as you said, we already get Night Fall in Soul Mastery, and it would be fairly strange to include 2 powers with the same animation but different effects on the same character.
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I always thought Energy Torrent was close to the best I had ever used as far as cones, and it is 40/45. TT is 40/40, so if they put them all there, I would be happy with that. It would actually be shortening the line range in exchange for increasing the arc on most of them. Sounds fair (and more useful) to me. The narrow arcs are hard to use effectively unless they pretty much have ST blast range (Torrent with its 80ft range, but is it really that popular due to the KB?).
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Originally Posted by StratoNexus
On my Dark/Dark corruptor I always just thought of it as my lower damage control power was larger and in order to deal extra damage I had to narrow the focus a bit.
Granted, Nightfall is only 18% more damage than TT.I would be fine if they chose to normalize the cones only if they chose to make them all the same as TT. I would be very unhappy if they shrank the arc of TT. I'd rather TT stay wide and NF stay narrow than have them all change to be a 30 degree arc, for example. |
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I too would like that. It would thrill me if Umbral Torrent is a 40/40 cone. |
Originally Posted by ArchGemini
I always thought Energy Torrent was close to the best I had ever used as far as cones, and it is 40/45. TT is 40/40, so if they put them all there, I would be happy with that. It would actually be shortening the line range in exchange for increasing the arc on most of them. Sounds fair (and more useful) to me. The narrow arcs are hard to use effectively unless they pretty much have ST blast range (Torrent with its 80ft range, but is it really that popular due to the KB?).
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I picked up Torrent with my last respec when we got inherent fitness, I needed a power that would be useful at just the base slot and I figured knocking soemthing back into a Tar Patch would be occasionally useful. I am not unhappy, but I find its length is often a drawback.
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So, you want to be Mental?
What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
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Oddly enough, there are already two power sets that do exactly that: Controller/Dominator Ice Control and Earth Control. Both have a power that makes stuff fall down, and another power that stops stuff from falling down. I've wondered about that for years now.|
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Umm... that's not going to happen. Then you'll get people who want the KB to work screaming that their powers are working against each other.
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(edit) And now that I look closer, so does Electric Control (fence vs jolt). And Blaster Ice Manipulation (chilblain vs patch) and Electric Manipulation (fence vs thunderstrike). That brings back memories of an old electric blapper; I remember noticing how Electric Fence stopped Air Superiority from working and being really disappointed.
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Maybe, this is a stupid, already asked question, but has the power listing for the Dark blast set been released by the Devs?
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