Super Strength for Scrappers

Wow, you must be having a bad day. I hope things turn around.

Somewhere in there you did in fact hit on my actual point - claws is superior on scrappers in the context of ambush farming. I'm simply curious why that can be counted as a point in favor of other sets but none of the regulars seem to consider it in this case.

As for SS, there are no doubt many ways to technically alleviate the crash, but for my part I'll never try the set until rage is completely redone simply because it looks way too obnoxious between the constant recast and the even more constant debuff. I wasn't saying the set was bad, I was pointing out what I consider a parallel between a potential case against scrapper SS and a potential case against scrapper claws.

Whew, managed to get through that post without drooling all over myself in a fit of ecstatic troll-lust. Will wonders never cease?

Absolutely, and clearly BU will spend more animation time than rage if given the same level of recharge, producing significantly less buff for your efforts. In terms of annoyance, however, the rage crash looks like it's something else. 10 seconds of crash every 60 seconds, on the 60 seconds. To make matters worse, if you let rage lapse entirely for whatever reason you also get a big defense debuff. My third problem is that without considering rage it has exactly two powers that are competitive with those in other sets, so rage maintenance is obviously expected of you, if not technically required.

Build up is just a nice little buff that's there when you need it. Sets that have it are largely fine even if you aren't using it, and there's no penalty for its use. Is it as good as rage? Of course not, but nobody sacrifices anything to have build up.

Oh yeah, and another thing in BU's favor is that there's no compulsion to use it in such a repetitive manner. Did you let it sit fully recharged for a few seconds? No big deal, use it on this next jerk over here! Not only does rage demand more precise timing than this, if you are double stacking rage it is highly likely that you have hasten on auto already, so you're stuck doing it manually. Short of an extremely recharge focused build that manages to get exactly the right amount for exactly doubled rage without hasten, I guess.

Rage crash on Scrappers?

I figured that if anything my litany against SS would have made it abundantly clear that I have figured out many ways to dislike rage. I actually don't like any of those things I said, and you're correct, I left out the endurance penalty because I was trying to be generous. The only way you can say that rage is "more manageable" than build up is if your custom is to play the game as a robot would and you actually enjoy making the rage train run on time. Isn't it obvious that I don't?

Another thing I didn't get into is the fact that without considering the buffs, SS doesn't have many good powers. KO Blow is good and foot stomp is a slightly above average pbaoe due mainly to its extra large radius. Nothing else in the set would make the cut if you were using most other primaries and could add any SS power you wanted to them. Spines and electric melee come to mind as the only melee sets that can't put together a better ST chain than rageless SS. So in that sense, rage constrains you even more as if you fail to keep its timing exact then your efficiency drops commensurately. Most other sets don't actually need to fire BU every time it's available to continue doing good single target damage. They can, of course. Oh, and if we're talking about double stacked rage, which I was, then BU is recharging in 22.5 seconds.

To sum it up, if something stinks I don't need to put it into my mouth to know I won't like it.

Honestly, more than the numbers I'm interested in finally having a Scrapper with Super Strength. I want the animations, the sound effects, and the big glowie particle effects from Rage.

It was weird in the first place that Scrappers couldn't pick up Battle Axes and Brutes couldn't pick up Broadswords until Cosmic Power Proliferation came about, it's also weird that Scrappers can be Invulnerable but not have Super Strength. I mean, why can't Tanks even have Claws and Regen?

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