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Hey bud, when enhanced Energize also has a 50% heal, as well as the regen and end discount.
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Originally Posted by Test_Rat
Friend, he listed both the regen, and the 50% heal.
Aren't we losing the drain heal in exchange for energize's regen, pal? |
I am the Blaster, I have filled the role of Tank, Controller and Defender
Sometimes all at once.
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Just to quip, but since before Brutes were playable on live servers.
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Originally Posted by LygerZero
So Stalkers get Ice Armor but we don't? Glad I don't get to play too much anymore. How lame. We've only been asking for it for HOW long now?
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Main Character: Ice/Storm/Ice Controller (Justice, 1340 badges)
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Originally Posted by CBeet
Hey bud, when enhanced Energize also has a 50% heal, as well as the regen and end discount.
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But now I know....
(waits for it)
When something good happens to me, I can never enjoy it....
I am always too busy looking for the inevitable punchline...
BEHOLD THE POWER OF CHEESE!
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And knowing is half the battle!|
Originally Posted by Test_Rat
Didn't know that
But now I know.... (waits for it) |
YO JOE!!
(Somehow I couldn't help myself)
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Seriously. Domi's are the only AT with nothing? Sure they say there's something for them coming later, but does anyone believe that Dom's will be the only AT to get whatever is coming later and no other AT will get anything at that time?|
Originally Posted by LygerZero
Stalkers are villains
Villains get crapped on |
I don't.
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| I'm not totally ungrateful as I said. We did get 1.5 nice sets (Kat = Broadsword) and an energy aura revamp to appease the minority that actually HAS an Energy Aura brute, but ice is deserved, now more so than ever. |
Kat > Broadsword.
Kat >>>>>>>>> Broadsword. Under virtually all circumstances.
Barely different spike damage, significantly higher damage over time, better defense because of the faster recharge giving faster parry/DA stacking, etc. It is better on SOs and the more you invest in it the greater the difference between the two sets becomes.
"Hmm, I guess I'm not as omniscient as I thought" -Gavin Runeblade.
I can be found, outside of paragon city here.
Thank you everyone at Paragon and on Virtue. When the lights go out in November, you'll find me on Razor Bunny.
Lyger...you can imagine how I feel as well bud...*sob* well at least it will drive me to make a second Stalker! I STILL want ICE/ICE for bwoooots!
Ice is counter productive in building fury. Part of building fury is getting attacked, ice slows down incoming attacks. On my Ice/Ice tank I can just about lock mobs down. Would really hurt the fury building. That was the original reason that it was taken from brutes in CoV beta.
No one pays attention to me, cause I listen to the voices in my head.
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Originally Posted by Psycho_Sarah
Ice is counter productive in building fury. Part of building fury is getting attacked, ice slows down incoming attacks. On my Ice/Ice tank I can just about lock mobs down. Would really hurt the fury building. That was the original reason that it was taken from brutes in CoV beta.
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http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=186399
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I'll go one further and just flat out say it, right here right now...|
Originally Posted by Negate
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http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=186399 |
The Fury generation thing is flat out BUNK.
Brutes have had Dark armor this whole time, which has two toggles that COMPLETELY SHUT DOWN ATTACKS AGAINST YOU BY MOBS IN MELEE RANGE.
If there was no problem with giving Dark to Brutes, there's ZERO problem with Ice.
@Oathbound & @Oathbound Too
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It was a valid problem, back when it was dropped in CoV beta. Fury's been changed since then. So yes, you're right, but you should present the whole picture.
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Originally Posted by Oathbound
I'll go one further and just flat out say it, right here right now...
The Fury generation thing is flat out BUNK. Brutes have had Dark armor this whole time, which has two toggles that COMPLETELY SHUT DOWN ATTACKS AGAINST YOU BY MOBS IN MELEE RANGE. If there was no problem with giving Dark to Brutes, there's ZERO problem with Ice. |
Issue 16 made me feel like this.
Warning: This poster likes to play Devil's Advocate.
I may be misremembering, but I feel like there was talk about why Brutes weren't given Ice Armor to begin with and that the reason given was Ice did too good a job of generating Fury. This would have been... CoV release-era?
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True, but the Fury Change was quite a while ago.
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Originally Posted by Vanden
It was a valid problem, back when it was dropped in CoV beta. Fury's been changed since then. So yes, you're right, but you should present the whole picture.
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Allow me to simulate an Ice stalker.
ASSASSIN STRIKE!
OW! WHY YOU LITTLE!
*PLACATE*
Uh. What? OW! Why's my spleen on the floor? Oh well, at least I can put this ice on it...HEYYYYYYY!
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A brute is going to suggest, with a straight face, that they're just as maligned as stalkers?|
Originally Posted by LygerZero
Stalkers are villains
Villains get crapped on |
Really?
Really.
I... just...
Really?
Really?
I... AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA-
Wait.
You're serious.
REALLY?
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Originally Posted by Oathbound
I'll go one further and just flat out say it, right here right now...
The Fury generation thing is flat out BUNK. Brutes have had Dark armor this whole time, which has two toggles that COMPLETELY SHUT DOWN ATTACKS AGAINST YOU BY MOBS IN MELEE RANGE. If there was no problem with giving Dark to Brutes, there's ZERO problem with Ice. |
You know, that Brute set that's so god-awful to play that the legendary badness has become a running gag.
Ice/Ice Blaster. Dedication to concept is an ugly thing.
Claws/WP Brute. Sex without the angst.
Every CoX character lies somewhere on this spectrum.
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Yeah that one, that turns into and unstoppable killing machine with a little IO love and a basic idea of how to play the game.
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Originally Posted by Tramontane
Oh, hey, yeah. Dark Armor.
You know, that Brute set that's so god-awful to play that the legendary badness has become a running gag. |
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I always love how people who don't have five billion influence to spend on lovecraftian IO builds to make suck sets into broken sets "Don't know how to play a game."|
Originally Posted by MajorTractor
Yeah that one, that turns into and unstoppable killing machine with a little IO love and a basic idea of how to play the game.
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It's like every infantile logical fallacy rolled into one.
Ice/Ice Blaster. Dedication to concept is an ugly thing.
Claws/WP Brute. Sex without the angst.
Every CoX character lies somewhere on this spectrum.
I will trade any of Stalker-specific set for your Shield set!!!! Give me that Shield Charge darn it.
You can have Ice Armor. At this moment, I can care less about a secondary. I want Ice Melee more. They should have just ported both Ice Melee and Armor to villain side.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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HAHA. Theft of essence chance for +end in dark reg, a numina's +/+ and the miracle + in health. All are easily gotten with merits. The rest is just using inspirations. Dark is an amazing set, but it is not turn on your toggles and go WP.|
Originally Posted by Tramontane
I always love how people who don't have five billion influence to spend on lovecraftian IO builds to make suck sets into broken sets "Don't know how to play a game."
It's like every infantile logical fallacy rolled into one. |
Your doing it wrong.
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Don't forget the Performance Shifter: +END Proc |
Originally Posted by MajorTractor
HAHA. Theft of essence chance for +end in dark reg, a numina's +/+ and the miracle + in health. All are easily gotten with merits. The rest is just using inspirations. Dark is an amazing set, but it is not turn on your toggles and go WP.
Your doing it wrong. |
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Sorry about the tread jack....
But seriously they had to change Ice armor for stalkers to have hide, shouldn't it be a direct port to brutes from tanks? The same goes for Ice melee.
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Wait, Energy Aura was a really great powerset? Is that why they announced a slew of buffs for it? And Poison and Electric Armor are both receiving buffs as well as they are/were being ported to hero ATs. When more than half of those "really great powersets" are receiving buffs when being ported while the ones ported in the other direction don't get anything, maybe as a whole they weren't so great.|
Originally Posted by _Pine_
Doth thou also forget that some really great powersets were invented specifically for Villains? Cold Domination, Thermal, Poison, Energy Aura, Electric Armor.
The reason Hero's are getting 'blessed by the dev gods' is because Villains were blessed, many times over, before the Heroes. Oh how forgetful the young are. |
So that leaves Cold Domination and Thermal, both of which were ported away from Corruptors as soon as the villain-hating devs could (ie, first round of proliferation) and given to Defenders and Controllers.
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Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
it has gone from unconscionable to downright appalling that we have no way of measuring our characters' wetness.
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Originally Posted by Brillig
It's hard to beat the entertainment value of Whackjob Wednesdays.
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... Do you mean the long, dull, monotonous Villain Merit track that you can grind at the rate of one every two days of hours of alignment missions, or the Reward Merits that it takes roughly 200 of to make up a SINGLE useful recipe.|
Originally Posted by MajorTractor
HAHA. Theft of essence chance for +end in dark reg, a numina's +/+ and the miracle + in health. All are easily gotten with merits.
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Ice/Ice Blaster. Dedication to concept is an ugly thing.
Claws/WP Brute. Sex without the angst.
Every CoX character lies somewhere on this spectrum.
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Yes. That's totally what I said. If you twist a few words and have no reading comprehension. That was TOTALLY comparing brutes to stalkers. o.O|
Originally Posted by Tramontane
A brute is going to suggest, with a straight face, that they're just as maligned as stalkers?
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| ... Do you mean the long, dull, monotonous Villain Merit track that you can grind at the rate of one every two days of hours of alignment missions, or the Reward Merits that it takes roughly 200 of to make up a SINGLE useful recipe. |
I do actually remember the months after CoV came out when the playerbase was all "devs hate heroes/blueside is dead", which lasted until Issue 8 when heroes got Radio Missions and Safeguards. I'm sure EA's buff had something to do with it being proliferated, but that would have happened regardless of which way it had proliferated (villains->heroes or heroes->villains).
Bump and Grind Bane/SoA
Kenja No Ishi Earth/Empathy Controller
Legendary Sannin Ninja/Pain Mastermind
Entoxicated Ninja/PSN Mastermind
Ninja Ryukenden Kat/WP Scrapper
Hellish Thoughts Fire/PSI Dominator
Thank You Devs for Merits!!!!