Powerset Proliferation 3.0

Wild hope: Hellfire (Whip) Assault? Since they tend to mix melee and blasts, Doms are really the best choice for proliferating Whips from Demon Summoning, since I understand the big problem is that it's hard to animate. Take the three attacks, repurpose the Hell on Earth animation as an attack, add a utility power and that's 5 powers. Maybe another whip power (a PBAoE spin perhaps), and the last three maybe being easier to animate blasts (or some oddball power).

About friggin' time. Just sayin'.

I would love to see Power Customization finished just because I want to see what you do with it. Your costumes always look astounding.

Now you're just trying to inflate my ego. Heheh.

Gun and Sword assault set, a la Sparkblade?

Man, I have been waiting for that set for a looooong time. I hope that gun and blade set is for Scrappers/Brutes/Tanks/Stalkers too.

That's lower on my wants list. I'd rather have some sort of blade or other hand to hand/natural melee as a secondary for blasters before I'd want it on the melee class.

Mostly because I'd rather have a fuller set of attacks, don't care about the whining about redraw. Whereas, if it's a straight melee attack set for the hand to hand archetypes, you end up with something like Spines and Claws, where you end up with only 3 or 4 ranged attacks. I want something with a more robust set of attack options, which a blaster secondary would seem to accomodate better.

Electric Assault came in Issue 12, Electric Control arrived Issue 18.
Earth Control came in Issue 12, Earth Assault was added Issue 16.

Synergy loneliness doesn't appear to be an issue, as it's cropped up in the two major additions to the Dominator power set selection, and I could well see Dark/Dark Blasters as the test bed for Dark Assault, with Dark Control arriving at some point after that.

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Character slots permitting, current plans on primary account:

Issue 21: Fire/Fire Hero Brute. Considering Ninja/Time Manipulation Mastermind. Dark/Dark Blaster.

Post issue 21: Titan Weapon/Energy Aura Hero Brute.

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Opinions for Powerset Proliferation 4.0:

Scrappers: Energy Melee, Ice Armour
Defenders: Poison
Controllers: Dark Miasma (Altered)
Tankers: Broadsword, Energy Aura
Masterminds: Cold Domination
Brutes: Martial Arts
Stalkers: Icy Melee (W/Revamp)
Dominators: Dark Assault

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This is one time where being wrong feels soooo good.

I really wish that Ice Armor was for Scrappers/Brutes too. They even solved the duplicate Hibernate problem that Scrappers/Stalkers have with the new Tier 9: Icy Bastion.

Oh well. For another round, 4.0 perhaps.

And I get that, which is why I used spines/claws as an example. Well, that and it's the best example of integrated range and melee, outside of the assault sets.

For my money, more attacks = more awesome. So, I'm willing to sacrifice a defense secondary or primary to get more awesome.

Actually, it's more of a "dammit, got armor, but not melee!" thing, really. But I've waited for my dang Ice Stalker since the very first day of CoV, so all I can hope is that they (probably) won't leave it half-done for long.

From Synapse's post earlier, it sounds like they're committed to getting the other sets proliferated over.

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Originally Posted by Synapse Also, if you didn't see your set proliferated it is likely because we plan on having another round (or rounds) of proliferation in future issues and we only had enough time to implement as many sets as we did. Regards, Synapse

How long it takes is up in the air. We can definitely let them know what we'd like to be in the next round of proliferation though.

I don't think making this into a full set is a good idea. Hybrid sets rarely are. Much more realistically, I'd like to see a Pistol(s) Epic for Scrappers, Brutes and Stalkers. With potentially up to four pistol powers on top of 9 powers of ANY type of sword, mace, axe or anything else you envision should be enough, I think.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

Inherent Fitness invalidated their original reason for not doing it in the first place.

They were concerned about how overpowered a brute would be with no downtime from level 4, giving us Stamina at level 2 made that no longer a concern so it got done with the next round of proliferation after that.

I'm really hoping the port to Brutes makes them look at giving Regen some sort of debuff resistance (it's the only mitigation set in the game that has no debuff resistance of any kind)

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.

It said in the announcement that, since the art team is so busy with I21, they are specifically doing things that don't involve the art team this time around. Ice Melee for stalkers would require a new animation for it's Assassin Strike at the very least, so perhaps they are waiting on that until the art team has more time.

It also implies that they are only using pre-existing powers in the Dark Manipulation that Blasters are getting.

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.

I think that's a bad idea. There's been no word on if the weapon redraw problem is being worked on, and any meaningful attack chain with something like Broadsword and this Pistol APP would be butchered with two redraw animations.

If gun and blade is to be done, it needs to be a character wielding both, a gun in one hand and a melee weapon in the other.

And I, personally, would HATE that. Yes, I'm aware that Foreshadow... Was it Foreshadow? I'm aware that this was in the City of Hero trailer, but I hated it then as I hate it now. Fighting styles with a blade in one hand (usually the right) and a gun in the offhand just look positively ridiculous to me, to the point where I'd rather have a gunblade, instead.

It's also horribly limiting. It limits the set to only ever using BLADES, meaning I can't run, say, a Mace character with guns if I happen to have that concept. Or - and this is much more relevant to me - it means I can't use a two-handed katana with DUAL PISTOLS, which is what I want to make. Devil May Cry wannabe and all that. Or, hell, why not a Titanic Weapons character who uses guns, as well?

Choice is the name of the game in this case, and the more we are allowed to mix and match, the better the game will be overall. Single sword/single gun? So long as we have a single gun epic. Sword and shield + dual pistols? Sure, so long as we have a dual pistols epic. It goes on and on.

Yes, redraw would be an issue. Redraw can be fixed, and even if it isn't, it's not such a big detrement. I routinely mix in the Undead Slaying Axe and the Nemesis Staff into the attack chains of some of my weapon users when fighting specific enemies, and while it's slightly awkward, it still plays just fine.

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Simply put, I don't want a single sword/single gun set like you do. I want a two-handed sword/dual pistols combo. I'm sure someone else might want a martial arts/dual pistols combo. I'm sure someone else still would want a dark melee/single pistol combo. You can't make a set for every combination, a there are far too many of them. Splitting them up into powerset and epic means that we can pick and choose our own combo.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

I was actually kind of hoping Incarnates would bring Melee weapons these sort of elemental properties. KM, BS, Kat, BA, BM; etcetera.

Grant it, you can give the above a slight fire proc via Interface: Reactive. But I was kind of hoping to see the truth behind Valkyrie's flaming sword which I thought, when I first came to play, was one of the coolest effects.

Imagine lightning strikes and thunder sounds in KM -drools-


I'm ok with that as long as animations for sets get changed a bit. BS looks horribly dated by now, new animations like Tai Chi for KM and the like.


As delightful as that would be to create custom frameworks, it's the balance of tying it all together that makes it a problem. With sets like Claws, Spines, and KM - we can have ranged attacks in a melee based archtype. But I'd figure trying to nail the animation down right is the key problem here.

Which is why I can't understand why they didn't give Scrappers Super Strength. That would be just a straight port over, no new animations needed.