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Team-Up Teleporter Expansions
Open Leagues
- A 5-minute timer will start from the moment an Open league has reached the minimum number of participants for any given Incarnate Trial.
- This 5-minute delay will allow the Team-Up Teleporter system to look for more players queuing up for an Open League so there are potentially less players waiting in the queue after the start of the trial.
- The Trial will start when the timer reaches 5 minutes after the minimum number of participants has been reached or when the maximum number of participants has been gathered.
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Originally Posted by Eric Nelson
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Man is this a short sighted system
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
Queue with a full or closed league.
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I love the new system, that kind of delay should have always existed. Three things could be done to improve the system.
1) A visual countdown timer should pop up for anyone in the queued league. Five minutes is not a long time, but feels much longer when it is an unknown quantity, especially when we feel tied to our computers for fear of missing the green button.
2) The leader of a league who enters the queue should in some way be able signify they want to keep the league star. If multiple leagues enter the queue with a leader desiring to keep the star AND they are small enough to join into one league, the larger league leader keeps the star. If both leagues are the same size, the one who entered the queue first keeps the star. In the event of the inevitable possible tie, it would have to be random.
3) Some type of server wide event notification should be made if the league size minimum is reached (which would be usually for a preformed that stays open, most people do not queue up until they know they can actually start the trial). That way, as soon as you queue up, the whole server is notified that there is a trial they can also queue up to join. Bonus points if the event notification includes the league leaders name.
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Yeah. They took the broken TeamUpTeleporter system and made it more broken. |
Originally Posted by Malin0001
Man is this a short sighted system
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Stratus I don't understand what is possible to enjoy about it? lol. We've had to deny several people in public trials i've been a part of because we were 3minutes into the queue and someone asked to join, and exiting queue to invite them would reset that nonsense. "Oh you could just invite them after starting with the new feature" next problem lol;
Besides taking your pre-created league and playing 52pickup with its sorting as you load in, the "invite to league in progress" doesn't work as far as I've heard. Me and 6 other people on my server tried it on different trials and all we got after sending the invite was "unknown command tut_invite"(even though we didnt type that, we used /li or whatever else)
. HOW did that get through closed&open beta, and test server, and never be reported as not working?
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1) That would fix the problem of people leaving due to them thinking nothing happening on the leads side when in fact there waiting on the new system|
Originally Posted by StratoNexus
I love the new system, that kind of delay should have always existed. Three things could be done to improve the system.
1) A visual countdown timer should pop up for anyone in the queued league. Five minutes is not a long time, but feels much longer when it is an unknown quantity, especially when we feel tied to our computers for fear of missing the green button. 2) The leader of a league who enters the queue should in some way be able signify they want to keep the league star. If multiple leagues enter the queue with a leader desiring to keep the star AND they are small enough to join into one league, the larger league leader keeps the star. If both leagues are the same size, the one who entered the queue first keeps the star. In the event of the inevitable possible tie, it would have to be random. 3) Some type of server wide event notification should be made if the league size minimum is reached (which would be usually for a preformed that stays open, most people do not queue up until they know they can actually start the trial). That way, as soon as you queue up, the whole server is notified that there is a trial they can also queue up to join. Bonus points if the event notification includes the league leaders name. |
2) In my experience loosening the league star isn't that much of a problem since i could always get it back unlike sf/sf's where the team places are fixed
3) Dont think this is needed since a league lead with a brain could do this in channels
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Originally Posted by Psychic Guardian
Yeah. They took the broken TeamUpTeleporter system and made it more broken.
Stratus I don't understand what is possible to enjoy about it? lol. We've had to deny several people in public trials i've been a part of because we were 3minutes into the queue and someone asked to join, and exiting queue to invite them would reset that nonsense. "Oh you could just invite them after starting with the new feature" next problem lol; Besides taking your pre-created league and playing 52pickup with its sorting as you load in, the "invite to league in progress" doesn't work as far as I've heard. Me and 6 other people on my server tried it on different trials and all we got after sending the invite was "unknown command tut_invite"(even though we didnt type that, we used /li or whatever else) . HOW did that get through closed&open beta, and test server, and never be reported as not working? |
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Not at all... just that folks are always trying to game it, do it their way, and leave people out in the cold in the Q while they run their "Small BAF" or what have you.
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Originally Posted by Malin0001
Man is this a short sighted system
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Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven
Not at all... just that folks are always trying to game it, do it their way, and leave people out in the cold in the Q while they run their "Small BAF" or what have you.
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So once again i have to be punished and wait 5 min when no one is looking and all i can get is the min due to all the ***'s out there or becuse some people want to keep there lag down by just going with the min.
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Then close the league - closed leagues do not have the timer.
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Originally Posted by Malin0001
So once again i have to be punished and wait 5 min when no one is looking and all i can get is the min due to all the ***'s out there or becuse some people want to keep there lag down by just going with the min.
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Before this when forming leagues, I would always leave a spot or two opened for those poor folks waiting in line. It worked well. Most of the time, the slots would be filled, the folks waiting would get their trial and all would be well. Now if I want to do this, I get punished by having to wait 5 minutes. So guess what? I'm not going to do that any more. I'll fill out all my spots first, or close to league if I have to. I just feel sorry for the players now stuck waiting forever.
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All people need to do to join a league that is already queued is to join the queue themselves. The system is not at fault, but we need to learn how to use it. No one needed to be denied access to the trial just because you could no longer invite them, those people just needed to press LFG, choose the trial you were running, then queue in themselves. They would have automagically joined your trial!|
Originally Posted by Psychic Guardian
Stratus I don't understand what is possible to enjoy about it? lol. We've had to deny several people in public trials i've been a part of because we were 3minutes into the queue and someone asked to join, and exiting queue to invite them would reset that nonsense. "Oh you could just invite them after starting with the new feature" next problem lol;
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Originally Posted by Psychic Guardian
Besides taking your pre-created league and playing 52pickup with its sorting as you load in, the "invite to league in progress" doesn't work as far as I've heard. Me and 6 other people on my server tried it on different trials and all we got after sending the invite was "unknown command tut_invite"(even though we didnt type that, we used /li or whatever else)
. HOW did that get through closed&open beta, and test server, and never be reported as not working? |
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So, you want to be Mental?
What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
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Originally Posted by StratoNexus
3) Some type of server wide event notification should be made if the league size minimum is reached (which would be usually for a preformed that stays open, most people do not queue up until they know they can actually start the trial). That way, as soon as you queue up, the whole server is notified that there is a trial they can also queue up to join. Bonus points if the event notification includes the league leaders name.
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Originally Posted by Malin0001
3) Dont think this is needed since a league lead with a brain could do this in channels.
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The visible timer is the most important thing to make keep people running trials already happier. The announcement idea is likely one of the best things the game can do for its own health.
Why Blasters? Empathy Sucks.
So, you want to be Mental?
What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
Tactics are for those who do not have a big enough hammer. Wisdom is knowing how big your hammer is.
So that is why I can't get on any trial nowadays with the LFG system (I could, before I20.5). Heh, all people I know who tried to lead open leagues simply thought it was bugged and switched to closed leagues.
Whoever thought making a 5 minute timer without a big, bold warning to everyone on the league that there is such a timer going on is a sane idea is, well, a bit out of touch with how people actually play.
Actually, so many things baffle me with the trial system. Having to wait for an unknown amount of time until the leader starts so we can press the green button - seriously? I don't even get why this needs a confirmation to start with, the game never needed anything like that before for TFs and such and it worked fine, but if we really have to, can't we get "click here to be ready" or "vote to start", like, you know, every game released in this millenium? Maybe this is some moon logic at work thinking that while the leader is recruiting, we'll socialize or maybe discuss trial strategies. In the real virtual world, people watch TV instead while wishing it'd start already.
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And mis out on half the reward so the system can look for somone in a tiem when no one is looking......ya no|
Originally Posted by Rajani Isa
Then close the league - closed leagues do not have the timer.
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Originally Posted by StratoNexus
Not all people will think to do it. Not all people will bother to do it. Antyhing the system can simply do automattically to make league leader's life more convenient is a good addition. Plus, anything the system can automatically do in order to announce the existence of people actively teaming and playing the game is likely a good idea when so much of the game's action takes place in instances.
The visible timer is the most important thing to make keep people running trials already happier. The announcement idea is likely one of the best things the game can do for its own health. |
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Originally Posted by Nihilii
So that is why I can't get on any trial nowadays with the LFG system (I could, before I20.5). Heh, all people I know who tried to lead open leagues simply thought it was bugged and switched to closed leagues.
Whoever thought making a 5 minute timer without a big, bold warning to everyone on the league that there is such a timer going on is a sane idea is, well, a bit out of touch with how people actually play. Actually, so many things baffle me with the trial system. Having to wait for an unknown amount of time until the leader starts so we can press the green button - seriously? I don't even get why this needs a confirmation to start with, the game never needed anything like that before for TFs and such and it worked fine, but if we really have to, can't we get "click here to be ready" or "vote to start", like, you know, every game released in this millenium? Maybe this is some moon logic at work thinking that while the leader is recruiting, we'll socialize or maybe discuss trial strategies. In the real virtual world, people watch TV instead while wishing it'd start already. |
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They lose an Astral Merit per run and a buff. We shouldn't be punished for trying to be organized and put the league together beforehand instead of using the randominvitesystem they added for trials.
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Originally Posted by Rajani Isa
Then close the league - closed leagues do not have the timer.
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I thought the reason for the confirmation was obvious. The devs intended people to use the lfg system to find their trials. Since they would be doing other things while waiting for enough people to form, the green button thing is there to remind them and give them a chance to finish stuff up. Most folks have given up on the lfg system though. Those who do get in, have minimum size trials because not too many people use the system, but the devs don't seem to get this and tried to fix it by adding the 5 minutes timer, which only will discourage people further from using the system. Whatever, I'm fine with pre-forming in Pocket D, maxing out the leagues and leaving it open to still get the extra goodies with all the benefits of being closed.
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For the friends I team with it really isn't about keeping the lag down. It is just more fun with little groups.|
Originally Posted by Malin0001
So once again i have to be punished and wait 5 min when no one is looking and all i can get is the min due to all the ***'s out there or becuse some people want to keep there lag down by just going with the min.
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We did a 5 person BAF and it was a blast.
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I'm no talking about the LFG option in the chat window. I'm talking about if your in a team and the lead starts the trial that everyone gets a confirmation then. Showing a confirmation on the first is fine but when your in a team its kind of pointless since (at least as far as I've noticed) when you join trial, tf, mission, or sf's they they say what there doing in the begging.|
Originally Posted by catwhowalksbyhimself
I thought the reason for the confirmation was obvious. The devs intended people to use the lfg system to find their trials. Since they would be doing other things while waiting for enough people to form, the green button thing is there to remind them and give them a chance to finish stuff up. Most folks have given up on the lfg system though. Those who do get in, have minimum size trials because not too many people use the system, but the devs don't seem to get this and tried to fix it by adding the 5 minutes timer, which only will discourage people further from using the system. Whatever, I'm fine with pre-forming in Pocket D, maxing out the leagues and leaving it open to still get the extra goodies with all the benefits of being closed.
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Originally Posted by BashfulBanshee
For the friends I team with it really isn't about keeping the lag down. It is just more fun with little groups.
We did a 5 person BAF and it was a blast. |
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Hmm, yes, that makes sense. Thanks!| I thought the reason for the confirmation was obvious. The devs intended people to use the lfg system to find their trials. Since they would be doing other things while waiting for enough people to form, the green button thing is there to remind them and give them a chance to finish stuff up. Most folks have given up on the lfg system though. |
The way we actually play is so far from the way they anticipated we'd play I forget all too often about the later, hehe.
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Great ideas, especially the server notification.
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Originally Posted by StratoNexus
I love the new system, that kind of delay should have always existed. Three things could be done to improve the system.
1) A visual countdown timer should pop up for anyone in the queued league. Five minutes is not a long time, but feels much longer when it is an unknown quantity, especially when we feel tied to our computers for fear of missing the green button. 2) The leader of a league who enters the queue should in some way be able signify they want to keep the league star. If multiple leagues enter the queue with a leader desiring to keep the star AND they are small enough to join into one league, the larger league leader keeps the star. If both leagues are the same size, the one who entered the queue first keeps the star. In the event of the inevitable possible tie, it would have to be random. 3) Some type of server wide event notification should be made if the league size minimum is reached (which would be usually for a preformed that stays open, most people do not queue up until they know they can actually start the trial). That way, as soon as you queue up, the whole server is notified that there is a trial they can also queue up to join. Bonus points if the event notification includes the league leaders name. |
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The timer is there not to punish anyone, but to make open leagues feasible. We currently all stand around in one zone and invite each other to leagues. We do it this way because we're used to it, not because it's the best way of doing it.|
Originally Posted by Malin0001
So once again i have to be punished and wait 5 min when no one is looking and all i can get is the min due to all the ***'s out there or becuse some people want to keep there lag down by just going with the min.
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Another way of forming leagues would be to use a global channel. Someone could shout out on a global channel, "BAF starting up. Everyone queue for BAF." Then everyone could queue themselves separately or in teams.
The devs sold trials with the idea that you could stand around wherever you happen to be (in the market, knocking off Rikti in RWZ, chilling in Pocket D) and wait for it to start.
Nobody does it that way. We all think we have to pack into the same zone to start a trial. This is old thinking, a holdover from the TF/SF model. We all stand around for 10, 20, 30, 40 minutes doing nothing while one person frantically searches for league members. And to top it off, several times I've been in a league and the zone fills. The leader says, "Okay, everyone move to RWZ 2." So we waste another five or 10 minutes moving everyone to another zone.
This is not necessary. We can all just queue wherever we are. Now that there's a five-minute timer, it's actually possible to start leagues this way without leaving someone behind.
The problem is that most leagues can't succeed unless they have a minimum number of role-players (you usually needs tanks/brutes, control for BAF, area heals for Keyes, etc.). Since we can't see into the queue, we don't know whether the trial will have those role-players. This is the biggest deficiency in the LFG queue: you have no idea how many people are queued, whether there are actually enough to start a trial, who they are, or what ATs they are, what powers they have (including Incarnate powers so you can tell if they're level 50, 50+1, 50+2 or 50+3, etc.).
To allow us to use the LFG queue properly, the devs need to give us all that information, plus the actual time remaining until the trial starts once the minimum league size is met.
In the meantime, if we formed leagues by putting together teams that do have the necessary role-players for success, each team could form and queue themselves, rather than having one league leader doing all the invites. A hero team could form up in Talos at the market. A villain team could form up in Cap at the Black Market. No need to fill RWZ or Pocket D with dozens of people.
People currently think of a league as one giant team, when they should be thinking of it as two to six separate teams. Team leaders should work together to form a coherent league from two or three teams, instead of making everyone come to one zone and one person do all the invites.
Many people in the same SG play together as teams. Leagues and the LFG queue are explicitly designed to support that, so we should take advantage of it.
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Or you could check the box that says close the league. It is literally one click of a button.|
Originally Posted by Malin0001
So once again i have to be punished and wait 5 min when no one is looking and all i can get is the min due to all the ***'s out there or becuse some people want to keep there lag down by just going with the min.
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And as for the comment about not being able to add someone - just have the queue, that's the whole point of the system. At worst, they end up in someone else's trial - and then only if you've got a lot more trials forming than on my server.
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It's exactly the same thing. The league leader uses the LFG option to start the trial. That is the only way to start a trial. Everyone in his league is treated exactly as if they had hit that option on their own. There is no alternate system for pre-formed groups.
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Originally Posted by Malin0001
I'm no talking about the LFG option in the chat window. I'm talking about if your in a team and the lead starts the trial that everyone gets a confirmation then.
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Pre I-20.5 when the lead selected the trial they where going to do the pop ups cvame up on everyone screen between 2-5 seconds later. Now after it seems to take forever. why is that and is there any thing i can do to speed it up?
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