Paragon Points: Query About The Purchasing of Special Badges


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Forgive me if this has been discussed at length already; lack of caffeine is my search-fu's Kryptonite. Mods, if this thread is inappropriate, please move as desired to taste.

I have long wanted to re-roll certain characters, but have held off for years, for a number of reasons. I'm a casual player, so these characters (mostly stalled in their 30s and which haven't really been played for several months or even years) represent to me a significant time investment, even if they're toys sitting on the shelf, waiting for the "someday" that I might get the desire to pick them back up again.

Further, these characters have attributes (read: badges) which a new character wouldn't have and wouldn't be able to get. Here I'm referring specifically to anniversary badges. Now, I have a badge character in my main, but certain badges have their own level of importance because of the rare opportunities to obtain them. Anniversary badges are of course on this list. Thus, as a "just in case" (I ever decide to make another of my characters badge-collecter), I log all my characters in for the anniversary badges. Thus, each character will have the badges I couldn't normally get.

There is some precedent for my slowly-upcoming query. During the Winter Event, and for a couple of years or so now, one has been able to purchase previous years' "exclusive" badges, in the same category as the annual anniversary badges, says I.

So. To the point. Do you think that Paragon Points will be able to purchase, as Paragon Rewards, the anniversary badges from previous years? As I said, there is precedent for a similar situation. Do you think it shouldn't be allowed? How about a compromise as a third option: yes, you can purchase anniversary badges from previous years, but only dating from that particular account's creation, and not before?

I expect well-constructed points supporting both sides, and I look forward to hearing (reading) the community's thoughts on this admittedly trivial matter. Therefore:

Discuss.


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Originally Posted by Megajoule View Post
IMO, they should not. Either you were here then, or you weren't.

However, anniversary badges should (IMO) be made account-wide, so that one is not faced with your dilemma.
Agreed. I have a few characters with the first anniversary badge. I've been reluctant to reroll them because I don't want to lose that badge, even though I never play the characters any more.

Account-wide anniversary badges should happen. The tech already exists. It would be a nice quality of life change for the longtime vets.


 

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However, anniversary badges should (IMO) be made account-wide, so that one is not faced with your dilemma.
Agreed. And if (as I've often dreamed) characters had a "born-on" date in their info, it would show the difference between characters and accounts.

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Yes, they should. Since there's already precedent (see Halloween badges and Winter event badges) I see no reason why Anniversary badges shouldn't be treated the same way. If people want to spend their points "buying" those not around here any longer badges, I say, more power to them.

Having said that, I highly doubt it will be implemented.


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IMO, they should not. Either you were here then, or you weren't.
Despite my own desires, I actually agree with this statement. And yet the Winter Event badges, each distinctive to their own year and acquired merely by being here (and logging in, natch), have been available for purchase via Candy Cane in the last year or three.

If they're both annual badges acquired in the same manner, what's the difference between the two? Why is it one could, in 2010, purchase, say, the 2007 Winter Event badge and yet the 2007 Anniversary badge remains unavailable?

Lastly, agree that such "be there or no soup for you" badges should be awarded for the entire account. It's fair, even for a character created yesterday -- you, the player, were here for the 2006 Anniversary event (for example) and should be able to show that, no matter which of your characters you're playing.


M. Bison: For you, the day Bison graced your village was the most important day of your life. But for me...it was Tuesday.
-- Street Fighter (1994)

McClane: Hey, thanks for saving my daughter's life.
Farrell: What was I going to do?
McClane: That's what makes you "that guy."
-- Live Free or Die Hard (2007)

 

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Oh, and I vaguely recall some redname stating, in the past, something to the effect of "It's not intended that everyone should be able to get every badge." To this, despite having heard reasons to support it, I still ask "Why should that be so?"

I understand the concept of "I did X to earn it, so seeing it just given away (or worse yet, sold) demeans my accomplishment." I think I agree with this, but would I think differently if I myself was on "the wrong side" of such an argument, in any given particular situation?

<looks in the mirror> Shallow much?


M. Bison: For you, the day Bison graced your village was the most important day of your life. But for me...it was Tuesday.
-- Street Fighter (1994)

McClane: Hey, thanks for saving my daughter's life.
Farrell: What was I going to do?
McClane: That's what makes you "that guy."
-- Live Free or Die Hard (2007)

 

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I would agree they should be account-wide. The anniversary badges are really just a way of saying "Hey! I was an active player in 20xx!". It makes sense they would apply to the account, and not a specific character.


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There is some precedent for my slowly-upcoming query. During the Winter Event, and for a couple of years or so now, one has been able to purchase previous years' "exclusive" badges, in the same category as the annual anniversary badges, says I.
Actually, they're not in the same category. Every anniversary badge text is tied to a specific time (i.e. anniversary) and the badge itself has a number on it to indicate the anniversary. The Winter event badge text does NOT refer to a specific time period. The ones that make any reference at all simply say "Winter" or "Winter Event", but not WHICH Winter.


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So. To the point. Do you think that Paragon Points will be able to purchase, as Paragon Rewards, the anniversary badges from previous years? As I said, there is precedent for a similar situation. Do you think it shouldn't be allowed? How about a compromise as a third option: yes, you can purchase anniversary badges from previous years, but only dating from that particular account's creation, and not before?
I'm not going to weigh in on the "should they/shouldn't they" argument, but unfortunately, they've said that there's only going to be ONE badge available on the market, and it will award with any purchase: an "I Used the Market" badge.


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I wasn't there for many of the anniversaries.
Yes, I'd like the badges. Actually, I'd like to have been able to be there to get them (did I word that correctly?).

But really, I'd be disappointed if they were available for paragon points.
I'll also be disappointed if they aren't turned into account-wide badges.

And this is coming from someone who LOATHES temporary availability on ANYTHING in games.


Lastly, I don't think they should be badges. It's just annoying imo. No idea what they should be though. Figure that out yourselves!


 

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I don't think they should be badges. It's just annoying imo. No idea what they should be though. Figure that out yourselves!
Ever since the first Anniversary badge I predicted that this debate over whether there should ever be a way to get previous year badges or not was going to haunt this game forever. The fact that threads like this one still routinely pop up proves my concern about this.

Frankly it was a relatively dumb idea that these were never offered as account badges. But I still maintain the stronger position that even offering ANY kind of real world based Anniversary badges in this game was kind of silly to begin with. Think of it this way: why would Captain Wonderful, a fictional hero in Paragon city, ever be awarded a badge just because a real-world MMO game managed to get one year older? Anniversary badges celebrating the continued existence of a game has NO RELATION whatsoever to personal lives of the characters inside that game. It'd be like giving an in-game award to a D&D character just because that game turned 30+ years old.

Basically if this game had never bothered with the confusion of Anniversary badges we wouldn't be in the mess of worrying about whether the old ones should be available or not. *shrugs*


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I'm ambivalent on the matter, as I don't care about badges in the slightest. On the one hand, having more clutter in the Paragon Store might make it seem "full enough" and shunt other things I actually want into free Issues. On the other hand, I do appreciate that much of the meaning of those badges is symbolic and selling them would ruin their value to a large extent, so making them account-wide would be a better choice.


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Ever since the first Anniversary badge I predicted that this debate over whether there should ever be a way to get previous year badges or not was going to haunt this game forever. The fact that threads like this one still routinely pop up proves my concern about this.
So what? There is an endless litany of thread subjects that come up again and again. e.g. 'The game is dying", "My server is empty", "This AT is overpowered", "This AT is useless". Who cares?


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I asked about this on the Facebook Freedom Friday thingy and got the following reply:

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We do not plan on selling badges.


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I'm ambivalent on the matter, as I don't care about badges in the slightest.
Philistine.


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I'm all for making them account wide. Please make it happen, devs.