Costumes, Hair

I love the customizability in this game, and it's what pulled me in from the MMO I played before, but I still think there can be some improvements. Most notably, in the way hair is implimented.

Why is it we can't have long hair and a hat?

Is there any chance of long ponytails, possibly as an extra item in one of the Detail slots?

Is there any reason long hair and long ponytails/pigtails can't be given the same movement treatment as capes?

Perhaps hair can be split into Bangs (which are replaced by hats/helmets) and Backs (which can be used alongside hats/helmets), and could be customized separately.

agreed, it would be nice to have different hair options with hats

Movable Hair?

I summon Golden Girl!

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Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

Originally I'd thought "not enough anchor points," but then I remembered that helmets seem to have four things to attach to heads (helmet itself plus three details). So yeah, allowing changeable hair should be doable without losing either face detail. Hats with hair please!

EDIT: Wait, unless Ears are normally unavailable with hats anyway, I was right about not enough anchor points. Can we change our ears when wearing a hat? I forget.

Moving hair doesn't look that great at all. Plus, ya know, the whole multiple capes rant.

I'm all for more hair options, though. Especially hair styles that don't look absolutely ridiculous. Art designers, please take a look at normal people out and about and see all the styles out there before giving us more hair.

The problem with animated or moving hair is that it requires tech that City of Heroes simply doesn't have right now. What this means is we'll need an entirely new system to be developed to handle that, and with the development team being "frugal," I suspect they won't give a very high priority to that.

Animated hair using the Capes system is a mistake. It's both very limited in what it can look like and, quite frankly, it looks like crap. No offence to Ghost Widow, but her hair looks like a mop. It has no sense of volume to it, no sense of density. It looks more like a balding man's thinning-out mullet.

Animated hair would need to account for long hair, short hair, pigtails, ponytails, braids, Johnny Bravo bangs, afros and more. Pretty much each hair's "movement" would need to be rigged for that hairstyle specifically, barring extremely short or extremely greaser hair.

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When it comes to hats with hair, that's kind of the same situation - hair options would need to be unique to each hat, unless the developers somehow enforced a standardised hatline like we have a standard waistline, but given the variety of hats we have now, this is unlikely. You can't just combine an existing hair with an existing hat, simply because when people put on hats, they compress the hair, something which doesn't work quite as well with 3D meshes.

What would be necessary for hair with hats is for hair "cutouts" to be appended to the hat, and those would need to be matched to the hatline dimensions of each separate hat. What this means is we'll likely only ever see a few styles per hat, basically bald/short/long/tail.

I actually don't believe this is impossible to do, or even "too much work," though, to be honest. It might increase the workload involved with adding more hats in the future, and it may be quite a bit of an art dump to do all at the same time, but it has the potential to be a mini revolution in costume design.

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Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

No offense, but most of the hairstyles we have now aren't all that good looking either. At least Ghost Widow has the option, and unlike you, I think it looks pretty good.

It'd look better if she had some color. The whole "mop" thing you complain about is because, in order to look ghostly, her hair is white and has no highlights.

The fact that this is already in game is what bugs me most.

No, not moving hair. The hats with different hair thing.
Go look at the standard Cabal minions. No hair, right?
Now go find one of them in PD. Or Katie here;



The Cabal hat. With hair, no less.

It can be done.
WHY has it not been done? There is NO good excuse why.

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Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

All I'm saying is that something could be done. And something is better than nothing. I'm not insisting the cape system should be used, but I'm saying it's an option.

Moving hair would be nice

it's so nice to see ppl think that moving hair automatically means cape hair, guild wars has moving hair yet it doesn't use the cape physx for the hair parts.

Widow VEAT just need to have more hair options with the costume period! If it's a clipping issue, I already don't use the high collar, and so no clipping issue would insue for me.

We also need some hoods that don't make the characters look bald. Maybe have some bangs sneaking out of the side of the hoods. Something.

Oh, and we need better hoods period while we're at it.

Magic Pack hoodie is close, but needs to look like there's some hair under there as well as an option to not have the magic glyphs or what ever outlining it.

exactly, hair that moves have bin done trough animating bones for years, even some old games from around 1998 have moving hair but they move because the hair style is assigned to a set of bones.
i ones tried the same thing for fun, i can, and so should any professional animator.

So long as it's animated, I don't really care how it's done. But the idea of adding a basic skeleton sounds like a good way to simulate proper volume.

Just think! They could improve their own AVs like Ghost Widow with this kind of revamp, too.

Let's admit it. Our models need a structural revamp. Not enough layers and not enough customization points.

The game IS quite old, I'm not expecting a miracle with this suggestion or anything.