several questions: instances, tumbleweeds, healer/defender.


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Hello,

I've been playing for about 3 days now, and I'm up to level 12.
I'm playing a defender and focusing on healing (though there's only two healing abilities right now with a side-focus in combat and stealth so I can move around and complete missions in under 69 thousand hours.

My questions are these:

1. Is it possible, at my level or a not-too-far level, to level via instances? I hate missions. Really, the only reason I'm doing missions is to get to a level high enough to do instances.
I like healing people. That's why I'm a healer. Combat is not my forte.
2. In my entire three days on the game, I've seen maybe 4 people. I've created several characters and it seems they each started in different areas. I'm currently in imperial city, working with the PPT. Other areas seem more heavily populated. How do I get to a more populated area, or can I at this level / would it be ok to do so?
3. There seem to be no place to buy/sell anything. My salvage is full, but I can't sell it to anyone. I know in other cities there are places to sell, but none in imperial city that I can see.
4. If I, as a weak-*** defender, can't complete a mission due to being so weak on my own, is there anything I can do? I can't seem to abandon some missions, n'or move on at this level.

Finally, my last question is - What are some things you wish you'd known when you first started out in this game?

Thanks for all your help!


 

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1) Missions are instances. You mean Task Forces, which are really just a string of missions, designed to do with a team. Apart from that, yes it is possible to level that way. You will spend more time getting teams than you will playing, at least in the long run, unless you get a reliable group of friends to run with consistently.

Aside- This game relies very little on healing and direct heals. Even the pools with multiple healing powers devote more of their design to buffs and/or debuffs. You won't find a dedicated healing Class or Power pool in this game (even Empathy). If you team with people as a focused healer, you will accomplish more than you would trying to solo with such a build, but you will also be putting more burden on them for your progress than you would with a more balanced outlook.

2) As I said, missions are instances. Most of the game's population is in those instances at a given time, thus you don't see them. If you seek out some global chat channels on your server, you will be in touch with more people, regardless of where you are and they are, and the game will rapidly feel more alive to you.

3) As far as I know, there are no Auction Houses in Praetoria where you are. I think there are banks, but I'm not sure. I do know there are vendors (not Merit Vendors) marked on your map that you can sell to. To sell Salvage and recipes to them, use the slider on to move the left side of your window down to see them.

4) there is something you can do. Stop thinking of yourself as weak. Unfortunately there isn't any way to change your difficulty settings in Praetoria, but you can start a character as a hero or villain and get some more control over the settings in missions (and get some overall easier missions). But really, you're not weak unless you ignore parts of the character pools available to you (overfocusing on heals early on). Another good way to handle over hard missions is to kill things on the streets that are easy for you until you get a level or two above the missions you have trouble with.

My last advice to you is to find a friend. Someone who likes to do the combat thing more than you do and doesn't mind letting you focus on support as long as you do a good job supporting them.


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Check out the Mentor Project thread and join the "N P C" channel. Plenty of advice and help there.

Also, since you mentioned level 12 and Empath, make sure you grab the Fortitude power. It's a very important buff for you. When you're on a team, who ever you're spending the most time healing, put Fortitude on them and suddenly you don't need to heal them so much.


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3) As far as I know, there are no Auction Houses in Praetoria where you are. I think there are banks, but I'm not sure. I do know there are vendors (not Merit Vendors) marked on your map that you can sell to. To sell Salvage and recipes to them, use the slider on to move the left side of your window down to see them.
There are 2 auction houses in Praetoria.

One is in Imperial City, near the bank:
http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Trading_House

West-Southwest of the Cole Transit Authority station. Coordinates: (-1946.6, -7.5, 1018.1).

One is in the Imperial City Underground base for the resistance:
http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Underground_Trader

In the north-east corner of the Resistance Hub in Underground Imperial. Coordinates: (-1007.4, 332.0, -3462.8).




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Unfortunately there isn't any way to change your difficulty settings in Praetoria, but you can start a character as a hero or villain and get some more control over the settings in missions (and get some overall easier missions).
They added "Dispatchers" in the Praetorian zones now (marked with a blue person in a white circle on the minimap.) They function the same as the Hero Corps Representatives and Fortunata Fateweavers in Paragon and the Rogue Isles, respectively.

As it stands, being an Empathy defender, what are you focusing on? Are you taking every heal you can and limiting yourself on attacks? One of the best things about this is you can do a dual build (talk to any trainer) and you can have a solo build where you can focus on attacks, and a team build, where you can focus on heals. However, the best way to use the empathy set is as a buffing set. Take your heals, by all means, but don't forget your buffs in the set.

What is your secondary? That's fantastic for debuffs as well, and you'll contribute to the team more than just running around healing. I would suggest skipping the Medicine pool power as well; you already have heals, you don't need more.


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As it stands, being an Empathy defender, what are you focusing on? Are you taking every heal you can and limiting yourself on attacks? One of the best things about this is you can do a dual build (talk to any trainer) and you can have a solo build where you can focus on attacks, and a team build, where you can focus on heals.
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Have one there that'll go over dual builds.

Also - level 12 - you can finally start using DOs. Dump your salvage at the auction house, use the proceeds to get DOs, stop using TOs.


 

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That'll teach me to talk about Praetoria when I've only been up through level 8 there, or sped through badge hunting. Thanks for the corrections, I knew I should have double checked before I said that, because even I didnt think I was right.


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Also if you're having trouble finding players ... are all your new characters in Praetoria? You might have better luck finding players in Paragon City or the Rogue Isles. If all your characters are low level, you might be better off re-rolling them in PC or RI.


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Hello,
I like healing people. That's why I'm a healer. Combat is not my forte.
I don't want to sound like I am telling you how to play, because however you get the move enjoyment from the game is the way you need to play.

I do think that the sentiment you have stated here is not likely to earn you much praise or teammates in the long run and will really lessen your playing experience here in City of Heroes.

Heals are of little value in City of Heroes. Team buffs and enemy debuffs that proactively limit incoming damage are just far and away better at keeping a team alive and speeding through content than heals.

As a defender you have half of your power sets devoted to damage. Don't short change yourself by not paying attention to your secondary or fool yourself into thinking your doing more for the team by being a "pure healer".

Aside from the dps you contribute most of these attacks will have a secondary effect that is beneficial to the team. These sets also tend to feature a utility power that will take a troublesome mob out of the fight and keep them off of the teams back.

It sounds like you started in Praetoria for your latest character. While I much Prefer the storylines in Praetoria to Primal Earths I tend to find low level teams more plentiful on the Primal Side.

Lastly I am not sure which server you are on but doing a chat channel search for your servers global teaming channels and joining a couple of them will make it much easier to find the kind of teams that make the levels fly by.

Hope you enjoy your time here in CoX


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I don't want to sound like I am telling you how to play, because however you get the move enjoyment from the game is the way you need to play.

I do think that the sentiment you have stated here is not likely to earn you much praise or teammates in the long run and will really lessen your playing experience here in City of Heroes.

Heals are of little value in City of Heroes. Team buffs and enemy debuffs that proactively limit incoming damage are just far and away better at keeping a team alive and speeding through content than heals.

As a defender you have half of your power sets devoted to damage. Don't short change yourself by not paying attention to your secondary or fool yourself into thinking your doing more for the team by being a "pure healer".

Aside from the dps you contribute most of these attacks will have a secondary effect that is beneficial to the team. These sets also tend to feature a utility power that will take a troublesome mob out of the fight and keep them off of the teams back.

totally agreed...... in COX there is no "healers", just some powersets have some heal powers ...


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1) Missions are instances. You mean Task Forces, which are really just a string of missions, designed to do with a team. Apart from that, yes it is possible to level that way. You will spend more time getting teams than you will playing, at least in the long run, unless you get a reliable group of friends to run with consistently.

Aside- This game relies very little on healing and direct heals. Even the pools with multiple healing powers devote more of their design to buffs and/or debuffs. You won't find a dedicated healing Class or Power pool in this game (even Empathy). If you team with people as a focused healer, you will accomplish more than you would trying to solo with such a build, but you will also be putting more burden on them for your progress than you would with a more balanced outlook.

2) As I said, missions are instances. Most of the game's population is in those instances at a given time, thus you don't see them. If you seek out some global chat channels on your server, you will be in touch with more people, regardless of where you are and they are, and the game will rapidly feel more alive to you.

3) As far as I know, there are no Auction Houses in Praetoria where you are. I think there are banks, but I'm not sure. I do know there are vendors (not Merit Vendors) marked on your map that you can sell to. To sell Salvage and recipes to them, use the slider on to move the left side of your window down to see them.

4) there is something you can do. Stop thinking of yourself as weak. Unfortunately there isn't any way to change your difficulty settings in Praetoria, but you can start a character as a hero or villain and get some more control over the settings in missions (and get some overall easier missions). But really, you're not weak unless you ignore parts of the character pools available to you (overfocusing on heals early on). Another good way to handle over hard missions is to kill things on the streets that are easy for you until you get a level or two above the missions you have trouble with.

My last advice to you is to find a friend. Someone who likes to do the combat thing more than you do and doesn't mind letting you focus on support as long as you do a good job supporting them.
1) Populated server and global channels will make that a different story. I dont generally have a problem getting any TF started on Virtue.

2) This can be really true for Goldside. And right now with the Fire Farms, I can see people prefereing to rush to 50 and just do tips to get to the side they want.

3) there's an AH in Imperial City. Easy enough to get to even if your in Nova

4) This is true. Want to be a dedicated healer and not attack much, it also means having to suffer with finding teams all the time. Sometimes this is easy, sometimes difficult, and the more populated servers will just have an easier time of it.


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You're not a druid, you've got specialty ranged attacks with some of the headiest team buffs in the game. If you focus on sole HP heals, you'll be a detriment to yourself and any teams you're on.

If you want some assistance, ask some more questions. As a point of general consideration, I've been playing my Empathy Defender nonstop since the dawn of the game. And it kicks butt.


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Originally Posted by pbjtime00 View Post
Hello,

I've been playing for about 3 days now, and I'm up to level 12.
I'm playing a defender and focusing on healing (though there's only two healing abilities right now with a side-focus in combat and stealth so I can move around and complete missions in under 69 thousand hours.

My questions are these:

1. Is it possible, at my level or a not-too-far level, to level via instances? I hate missions. Really, the only reason I'm doing missions is to get to a level high enough to do instances.
I like healing people. That's why I'm a healer. Combat is not my forte.
2. In my entire three days on the game, I've seen maybe 4 people. I've created several characters and it seems they each started in different areas. I'm currently in imperial city, working with the PPT. Other areas seem more heavily populated. How do I get to a more populated area, or can I at this level / would it be ok to do so?
3. There seem to be no place to buy/sell anything. My salvage is full, but I can't sell it to anyone. I know in other cities there are places to sell, but none in imperial city that I can see.
4. If I, as a weak-*** defender, can't complete a mission due to being so weak on my own, is there anything I can do? I can't seem to abandon some missions, n'or move on at this level.

Finally, my last question is - What are some things you wish you'd known when you first started out in this game?

Thanks for all your help!
It seems everyone assumed you were playing an Empathy defender, but I don't see that specifically stated, so it might help us if you told us your power sets..

To answer your specific questions, as best I can with what you've said.....

1) If by instance, you mean Task Force, or Strike Force, then you aren't int he best starting zone for that. If you start in Praetoria, there are no TFs or SFs available to you. Only missions. If you start in Paragon City as a Hero, you can do TFs starting at lvl 10 (or maybe 11). In the Rogue Isles, SFs are available at lvl 15 I think. And yes, once you can access them, it is very possible to level on them alone.

But, as others have said, if you're playing as a healer only and neglecting all of your other attacks and abilities (buffs/debuffs/controls) you're really selling yourself a little short, in my opinion, and more importantly, in the opinion of a lot of the player base.

Dark Miasma type defenders make for great healers, and very powerful debuffers, and pretty decent controllers, and add in whatever attack set you get, could be very nice as a new player. Very able to solo when you can't find a team, and with a ton of healing nad other goodies to help out a team with when you join a mission team, or a TF/SF.

2) Depending on the server, and the playtime, this can vary a lot. I'd try Blueside and Freedom/Virtue/Champion/Justice as decent population servers if you play during day-evening hours in the US, or Union if you play late at night or early in the morning US time.

I'd also look into the mentor project, as others have stated. I'm not as up on that as others, so I'll leave it to someone else to help you with how best to find that group. 'H' on your keyboard brings up the help interface, and through that I think you can get to the help channel, which should also put you in contact with people that can help ya while live in the game..

Also, I can't stress enough how important it is to join and use your servers global channels for finding teams and just general community atmosphere. Lastly, Pocket D is almost always a good hub of activity on every server. If nothing else, just approach someone there and ask for assistance.. I know there is a gate to Pocket D in Imp City, just can't recall the details as to exactly where, or how it's labeled ont he mini-map.

3) Others have pretty well totally addressed this question, but I"ll add that the $ sign on the map and the W sign on the maps are places to buy and or sell in general... Not sure how the Praetorian Auction House shows on the mini-map either. Sorry, I'm like Lemur, and not in Praetoria a lot.

4) Yeah, Praetoria is a tougher learning curve than starting as a Hero i PC or a Villain in the RIs, sadly. And if you picked a more support oriented type, and also neglected attacks, then you will have a lot of problems for the moment. Once you find the global channels, or a different server, or start in a different place, tho, you'll have a lot less issues. If you're team focused and solo, though, you'll may find many places difficult. But not impossible. Once you find places to sell, you'll also bea ble to buy, and that alone may help you a fair amount if you can get kitted out with some DOs (dual origin enhancements) for your powers.

And you last question..... Wow, lots of stuff... But, here are a couple answers I hope will help..

1) This game is very flexible, with ATs and powersets. You can build a scary offensive attack juggernaut with a Defender, if you like. Or a great controller type with a Tanker AT. So don't fell confined by your AT. But, if you like a given role, great, but don't feel like you HAVE to play in a given way based on your AT.

2) Learn a bit about Enhancements and then Inventions asap. Use the invention tutorial. The invention tutorial will show up as a contact after level 10, regardless of where you start.

3) http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Main_Page If you have a question and can't find something about it in here, I'd be amazed. I love this tool.....

4) Lastly, if you don't know it yet, you can send tells to players, not alts, but the actual player by using their global IDs. All global IDs start with the @ symbol. If you send a tell to someone this way, they'll even get it (when they next log in) if they aren't in the game at the moment. In the chat line, you'd type "/t @Exampleguy, Message here" except without the quotes. Feel free to try hitting me up ingame if you have a question. @Madadh is my global, as well as my forum name. Hmm, so I guess that wasn't the last one after all, as that reminded me... When you start to feel a little comfortable, start trying to learn some of the slash '/' commands. It makes a lot of stuff easier. You can use the cohtitan wiki I listed above to look up Slash Commands if you are interested...


 

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I will echo what everyone else is saying about "don't be a healer because you're grossly shortchanging yourself." I'll be blunt: "healer" is kind of a hotbutton word. Most people who know what they're doing shun "healers," and the people who actively ask for "healers" do so because they have no idea what they're doing.

This ties in to why you can't solo for beans. You have a secondary that's full of attacks; take and use them.


 

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I will echo what everyone else is saying about "don't be a healer because you're grossly shortchanging yourself." I'll be blunt: "healer" is kind of a hotbutton word. Most people who know what they're doing shun "healers," and the people who actively ask for "healers" do so because they have no idea what they're doing.

This ties in to why you can't solo for beans. You have a secondary that's full of attacks; take and use them.
Largely this.

I'll sum it up for you (I'm not trying to be mean, just blunt):

When the team needs to be healed, like in a fight that is a little above their ability, you are an asset by just being a healer. As you get higher in level the times this is true will start getting fewer and fewer, as the rest of the team is getting more powerful and more capable of taking care of themselves.

However, when the team does NOT need to be healed, like in a fight that is well within their ability, if ALL you have to offer is healing ability....well, you're kinda just taking up space that could be filled by someone who contributes more.

It will REALLY help us if you could tell us exactly what powersets you have so we can offer some more specific advice.

One bit of advice that holds true though is:Do not ignore your secondary!

If nothing else, there will come times that you must defend yourself because the rest of the team is too busy to help you. If all you have is a single unslotted attack you aren't going to be very effective at defending yourself. It also helps if you can contribute some damage when you aren't needed in your primary function.


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1. You're going to feel weaker in Praetoria where you're at no matter what AT you're playing. Praetorian missions are just generally harder than the older missions found in the rest of the game. So that's kind of two strikes against you currently, because you're at a location where finding teammates is more difficult and where it's harder to solo.

2. As everyone has said: in other games, healing is vital to high-level encounters. In CoH, healing is useful in low level encounters and less and less useful the higher you go. This is a game where people can solo entire groups of enemies and deal massive damage; the support characters that are most wanted at the high end of the game do things that makes it easier to do massive damage more quickly. Defenders/Corruptors/etc can still be very awesome support characters but healing winds up being one of the least of your abilities, except in certain specific situations. Making enemies weaker, increasing ally damage, increasing defense and resists, replenishing people's endurance are all things people tend to appreciate more. ^_^



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Just thought I'd throw this out there too:

Don't be discouraged by us saying healing isn't very useful in the high level game. If my guess is correct and you're playing an Empathy defender, then later on you will get some VERY powerful buffs, which will make you quite useful to just about any team.

You'll find as you level higher that you'll start using your buffs more often and your heals less. High level Empaths morph from being healers to being buffers.

Also, as you get higher in level, you'll find that as you're using your buffs, you'll find that you have more time to blast as well, so start slotting your attacks up too.


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Don't be discouraged by us saying healing isn't very useful in the high level game. If my guess is correct and you're playing an Empathy defender, then later on you will get some VERY powerful buffs, which will make you quite useful to just about any team.
Yeah, Empathy as a whole is a very potent set; I'd never turn a character of any AT with Empathy down based solely on powerset. (Being a complete bozo, maybe. :P)

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Also, as you get higher in level, you'll find that as you're using your buffs, you'll find that you have more time to blast as well, so start slotting your attacks up too.
There have been threads about Empathy Defenders soloing various hard challenges.

Welcome to the game!

One suggestion I have for newcomers is to use both friends lists, the server-based one and the global one, and to make "player notes" (right or left mouse, I forget, on a player's name and click 'add note') when you meet players you hit it off with. You can type some little reminder to yourself like "TFed with me, was funny" or "Great guy but don't talk politics with him" that will help you to remember the player, even if he or she is on a different character. I find the player notes feature helps prod my memory and smooths social interaction.

Friends lists and the previously-mentioned global channels are far and away the main way I hook up with people in the game. They will help you.


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Welcome to the Forums.

Most of the Advise given is solid enough, but a couple of other things:

What Server(s) are you playing on? Some servers tend to not be as populated as others.

You also might wish to look in the Defender Forums as well.

Also to mention again Paragonwiki is you friend.

Thank you for the time...


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