Any new Blaster powers coming?


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recently back i was excited to make some new toons and i really like blasters, but i noticed a few things missing that i thought might make its way to blasters by this point. Just currious if there has been any word on..


Dark blast

Dark melee secondary


Radiation melee secondary.. (i know this has been a poplar request over the years for tanks and scrappers, dont see why it wouldnt make sence now with blasters getting radiation blast.)


anways, has there been any offical word on new sets coming or adding more of the cross power expansions like they have done over the last few years?


 

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recently back i was excited to make some new toons and i really like blasters, but i noticed a few things missing that i thought might make its way to blasters by this point. Just currious if there has been any word on..
General rule is that the developers do not talk about power-sets until the power-sets are actually ready to be released.

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Dark blast

Dark melee secondary
These actually were addressed by Sunstorm back in 2009: http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showp...&postcount=213


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Radiation melee secondary.. (i know this has been a poplar request over the years for tanks and scrappers, dont see why it wouldnt make sense now with blasters getting radiation blast.)
Um... popular request?

I... don't think so.

Here's a quick Google search of the boards.

Yeah, it gets brought up... maybe once a year?

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anways, has there been any offical word on new sets coming or adding more of the cross power expansions like they have done over the last few years?
Again, to reiterate. The developers do not talk about power-sets until the power-sets are either complete, or nearly complete.

So no. There has been no word.


 

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I would love for Blasters to get a new Secondary, we are in bad need of one... Martial Arts would be a nice choice, from my angle. Don't care as much about Rad melee.


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As someone who likes to match primaries with secondaries, I would love to see a Rad and Sonic Manipulation set, as well as a Dark Manipulation set if they ever port over Dark Blast. However, with i21 bringing the ability to start a Corruptor as a Hero from level 1, and the fact that you can make them Dark/Dark, Sonic/Sonic, or Rad/Rad, I doubt we will see Manipulation sets for any of the above. Yes, they are different ATs and can play VERY differently from one another, but given the amount of other stuff the Devs are working on (based on recent announcements), complementary secondaries are probably low priority.

That being said, they have already announced 2 new power sets, one of which to be released with i21, and the other one to be released (most likely) shortly thereafter. One can only hope that some more power sets are also in the works, and that a blaster secondary or two is among them, since we STILL hold the record for fewest number of secondaries out of any of the 10 regular archetypes...


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I would love for Blasters to get a new Secondary, we are in bad need of one... Martial Arts would be a nice choice, from my angle. Don't care as much about Rad melee.
While fighting Maelstrom during some missions, he's whipped out some Martial Arts moves on me. That makes me hopeful that a MA secondary is on the horizon. He is a Dual Pistols, Blaster right?


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well i havent been around for a few years.. Played a lot before the whole power set proliferation thing hit. i recall back that they were talking about what they were planing on adding a year+ down the road. castle would post about stuff that was in the works for down the road, in random posts talking about other powers and such.

Back then rad melee was talked about often, but perhaps not as much now sence they added tons of powers to all the AT's (atleast other than blaster secondary) I know rad melee was talked about often back when i was playing a lot.. the game has been around 7 years now, so perhaps rad isnt the in thing these days.


I like the idea of an MA secondary.. AR/MA could be lots of fun


 

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I'm all for a direct port of Dark Blast to blasters.

But if it gets gutted like Psi Blast, to cobble together a quick and easy Dark Manipulation secondary, no thanks. If TT gets shunted to a secondary, for instance, it's clear people will be rolling Fire/Dark instead.


 

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While fighting Maelstrom during some missions, he's whipped out some Martial Arts moves on me. That makes me hopeful that a MA secondary is on the horizon. He is a Dual Pistols, Blaster right?
Yup, he knocked into the wall with his crane kick. And it was awesome!

Then I thought I wish I had that for my dual pistols blaster. Dangit!


 

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I don't get why they can't just take Dark Blast and Dark Melee and then go from there. There can't be that much in terms of new powers really.


 

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I don't get why they can't just take Dark Blast and Dark Melee and then go from there. There can't be that much in terms of new powers really.
I agree seems like something like this could work well:

Primary
1. Dark Blast
2. Gloom
3. Dark Obliteration
4. Aim
5. Tenebrous Tentacles
6. Night Fall
7. Moonbeam
8. Petrifying Gaze
9. Blackstar

Secondary
1. Gravimetric Snare
2. Smite
3. Shadow Maul
4. Build Up
5. Death Shroud
6. Dark Consumption
7. Life Drain (or) Siphon Life
8. Torrent
9. Midnight Grasp


 

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Though on second glance it looks like we are locked in to not getting a proper dark blast primary due to the Soul Mastery Ancillary Pool. It has both Night Fall and Soul Tentacles.


 

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I am shocked they haven't done Martial Arts as a secondary. Making Maelstrom as DP/MA blaster was just taunting us.


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I agree seems like something like this could work well:

Primary
1. Dark Blast
2. Gloom
3. Dark Obliteration
4. Aim
5. Tenebrous Tentacles
6. Night Fall
7. Moonbeam
8. Petrifying Gaze
9. Blackstar

Secondary
1. Gravimetric Snare
2. Smite
3. Shadow Maul
4. Build Up
5. Death Shroud
6. Dark Consumption
7. Life Drain (or) Siphon Life
8. Torrent
9. Midnight Grasp
That's not too bad. Awfully AOE heavy primary there, so it kind of reminds me of AR - kinda longing for a short range heavy hitter once in awhile.


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That's not too bad. Awfully AOE heavy primary there, so it kind of reminds me of AR - kinda longing for a short range heavy hitter once in awhile.
Doesn't work because tents and nightfall are in Soul Master Patron pool.

In my opinion, (note, not in any particular order):
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primary
1. Dark Blast
2. Gloom
3. Dark Obliteration
4. Aim
5. Torrent
6. Dark Pit
7. Moonbeam
8. Petrifying Gaze
9. Blackstar
The secondary is a whole other can of worms. You want something easily convertable to a Dark Assault for doms.


 

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Originally Posted by Amy_Amp View Post
I don't get why they can't just take Dark Blast and Dark Melee and then go from there. There can't be that much in terms of new powers really.
Did you not read the link above explaining why it's not that simple?

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We're all losing focus on the important issue here. Convincing someone in NCSoft to write up the full proposal for the Dark Manipulation secondary for blasters.

1) Gravimetric Snare (it needs a name change)
2) Shadow Punch
3) Smite
4) Soul Drain
5) Dark Consumption
6) Shadow Maul
7) Midnight Grasp
8) Cloak of Darkness
9) Fearsome Stare

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[/ QUOTE ]Actually Synapse and I have been puzzling over the dark sets. Just for fun, I'll shed some light on the subject.


So, lets start this with a riddle, since the explanation is just as incomprehensible. Why does Dark Miasma overlapping Dark Control powers make a straight port of Dark Manipulation problematic?


The explanation is, there are a couple powersets that would be sharing an interesting combination of powers. For example, Controllers want Dark Control and Dark Miasma, except Dark Miasma is already a very control heavy set which would supply a lot of Dark Controls powers. Combining Dark/Dark this way could lead to a lot of overalap.

Dominators would want Dark Control and Dark Assault, so Dark Assault would have to be careful not to include control powers from Dark Blast or Dark melee.

Blasters are easier, however the powers that go to blasters would likely be included in Dark Assault, which goes opposite dark control.

Then there are the general AT wide no-no's. Such as: giving armor powers to non-armored classes, or overlapping powers alread in patron pools.


So in the end, it's not designing one powerset. It's designing 3 different powersets:

Dark Control/Dark Miasma for Controllers
Dark Control/Dark Assault for Dominators
Dark Blast/Dark Manipulation for Blasters


Well, that's enough "dark" for several posts. And no, nothing is in the works yet.
To summarize:
  • You have to port Dark Blast to Blasters who will want a matching Dark Manipulation.
  • Dark Manipulation would pretty much be copied over to Dark Assault for Dominators.
  • Dominators and Controllers would want a Dark Control which can't repeat anything in Dark Assault or Dark Miasma which is going to be really difficult since Dark Miasma already is control-heavy.
  • And none of the sets can repeat what are in the hero or villain Dark Epic Power Pools.

So, this would not be power *proliferation*. There would have to be three new powersets created around 'no doubles' powers tetris.


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Though on second glance it looks like we are locked in to not getting a proper dark blast primary due to the Soul Mastery Ancillary Pool. It has both Night Fall and Soul Tentacles.

Before we got mace there would have been very sage and self important folks on these boards arguing we couldn't have an aoe immob.

The double up isn't such a big thing if you look at it objectively. People can always not take that epic, or not take the power from the epic.


 

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Did you not read the link above explaining why it's not that simple?



To summarize:
  • You have to port Dark Blast to Blasters who will want a matching Dark Manipulation.
  • Dark Manipulation would pretty much be copied over to Dark Assault for Dominators.
  • Dominators and Controllers would want a Dark Control which can't repeat anything in Dark Assault or Dark Miasma which is going to be really difficult since Dark Miasma already is control-heavy.
  • And none of the sets can repeat what are in the hero or villain Dark Epic Power Pools.

So, this would not be power *proliferation*. There would have to be three new powersets created around 'no doubles' powers tetris.
F'em, My blasters want the kind of mez protection dominators get. Whats more its drop dead easy to make the case that blasters are the more appropriate AT to have it. They also wouldn't mind the self defense numbers that controllers get. Don't see that coming our way either.


 

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Doesn't work because tents and nightfall are in Soul Master Patron pool.
Oh yeah that's true.


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To summarize:
  • You have to port Dark Blast to Blasters who will want a matching Dark Manipulation.
  • Dark Manipulation would pretty much be copied over to Dark Assault for Dominators.
  • Dominators and Controllers would want a Dark Control which can't repeat anything in Dark Assault or Dark Miasma which is going to be really difficult since Dark Miasma already is control-heavy.
  • And none of the sets can repeat what are in the hero or villain Dark Epic Power Pools.

So, this would not be power *proliferation*. There would have to be three new powersets created around 'no doubles' powers tetris.
Well, whadyaknow. First step is coming: Blasters get Dark Blast and the new Dark Manipulation.

And Dark/Dark Dominators is coming... soon.


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It's official: Dark Blast, like Psychic Blast before it, will have powers removed to pad the secondary.

We have enough cookie cutter aim-3blasts-2aoe-1mez-1snipe-1nuke primaries already, so I was really looking forward to another controllish primary (like Sonic) for blasters. Dark Pit's always been an underrated power, and got significantly better with IOs. Oh well.

Dark Blast isn't doomed to bottom tier yet, but it will need for NightFallTorrent to not be as miserable as it sounds, and it will need the hold to be a solid 3rd blast.

Anyway, if you've been wanting to make a Dark Blast corruptor, but holding off to see what happened with the blaster primary, I think it's safe to go ahead and roll that corruptor now. If you're waiting to see what happens with the blaster secondary, though, we'll have to wait a little longer and see!


 

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While fighting Maelstrom during some missions, he's whipped out some Martial Arts moves on me. That makes me hopeful that a MA secondary is on the horizon. He is a Dual Pistols, Blaster right?
I wouldn't get too optimistic on this. There are plenty of mobs with odd powers that don't follow the current AT philosophy. For example, some Tsoo mobs have Scrapper primaries and Kinetics (at least Siphon Speed / Power) for a secondary.


 

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It's official: Dark Blast, like Psychic Blast before it, will have powers removed to pad the secondary.

I was looking forward to another controllish primary (like Sonic) for blasters. Dark Pit's always been an underrated power, and got significantly better with IOs. Oh well. Dark Blast isn't doomed to bottom tier yet, but it will need for NightFallTorrent to not be as miserable as it sounds, and it will need the hold to be a high damage 3rd blast.


Synapse is the guy who did dual pistols, at least dark blast has aim this time.


 

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How would Soul Mastery for Blasters work with Dark Blast? You could with enough recharge and endurance(Hello Ageless) spam TT+Nightfall x 2 and destroy everything. And if Dark Manipulation gets Oppressive Gloom as well, that's instant mag 4 stun on everything that gets near you.


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So glad this one is FINALLY gonna be proliferated. I am hoping for a "Archery type LOTSA ST in the primary. The scondary can be all AoE, I don't care. Just lemme hit ST's HARD! ANd what will the Nuke be??


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