Contradictory Info on Premium Access to Incarnates
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Posted on: 2011-06-23 08:25 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
I'm guessing the current incarnate content is considered purchasable via Going Rogue, any future incarnate content will be premium purchases, and Clockwork O1 was simply mistaken.
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This is my guess as well.|
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
I'm guessing the current incarnate content is considered purchasable via Going Rogue, any future incarnate content will be premium purchases, and Clockwork O1 was simply mistaken.
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Hmmm...makes me wonder if they'll make the 4 powersets given with GR purchasable with Paragon Points for the F2P, as they wouldn't have access to them without GR.
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I'm sorry, but what is the difference between Premium and VIP?
It's all still a bit muddled in my mind...
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The comparison chart stands up well for marketing purposes, and not much else. It has simple information that can answer a few big questions, but there are a lot of discrepancies when you actually look at it.
I have to agree with Zombie, I don't see how you can buy GR and upgrade your account to have access to Incarnate content...and then lose it.
For now, we're going to have to wait for more info.
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VIP is paying subscription.|
Originally Posted by Zubenelgenubi
I'm sorry, but what is the difference between Premium and VIP?
It's all still a bit muddled in my mind... |
Premium means you're not paying subscription, but you have paid for something at some point, to include being a previous subscriber.
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I kinda look at it this way though, if you're not a paying member (VIP) today, you don't have access to GR/Incarnates at all - even if you've purchased Going Rogue. Everything they allow you to have as a "Free" member is, therefore, free.
It would be nice to have some clarification on the Incarnate stuff though.
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uhhh is my memory that bad?|
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
I'm guessing the current incarnate content is considered purchasable via Going Rogue, any future incarnate content will be premium purchases, and Clockwork O1 was simply mistaken.
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I could have sworn that there was NO incarnate content when GR launched.
Wasn't the alpha slot pushed BACK from out of GR and into the next issue?
EDIT: Yes I know you need GR to access the slots and trials, however, they didn't actually launch until the next issue?
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The way I see about the Incarnate stuff and the Going Rogue is:
Going Rogue is a prerequisite for the Incarnate, but the Incarnate isnt a guarantee for who has GR. They are different contents, but one enables the others.
If you have Going Rogue, you are able to have the Incarnate Stuff. If you get that content. If you bought GR previously to the shift, they are tied. You also get the Incarnate. After the Shift, you will need one to buy the other. Why? Because prices will probably take into account the difference on the contents. There may be different Going Rogue/Incarnate bundles. A GR only. A GR+Incarnate. And even a Incarnate only (for those that got the GR only version and later want to get the Incarnate too).
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Your memory isn't bad, but I guess where my assumption is coming from is that all incarnate content currently requires Going Rogue.
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Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
uhhh is my memory that bad?
I could have sworn that there was NO incarnate content when GR launched. Wasn't the alpha slot pushed BACK from out of GR and into the next issue? |
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True, but that could just be the alpha, the three trials, and the other 4 slots. As someone alluded to they might mean all FUTURE Incarnate content.|
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Your memory isn't bad, but I guess where my assumption is coming from is that all incarnate content currently requires Going Rogue.
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Ofcourse a RED NAME post would clear this right up!
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Yeah, at this point I'm getting the feeling that incarnate content isn't considered part of Going Rogue, thus why it won't be included in free or for premium players that haven't specifically paid for it.
Going Rogue was simply a prerequisite for incarnate abilities to be earned.
Going Rogue was not sold with any Incarnate content.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Your memory isn't bad, but I guess where my assumption is coming from is that all incarnate content currently requires Going Rogue.
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.... AND a monthly paid subscription.
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As I understand it:
Without paying (VIP status) you don't have access to incarnate stuff. At all. Just like it is now. You might be able to purchase it piecemal via the store, but you won't get it for free. It's possible that if you bought Going Rogue you'll start with some of the incarnate stuff unlcoked, but I doubt it.
If you want incarnates, you pay.
It's not as if you "lose access" to going Rogue: You'd lose access to the entire game, it's just that now you get to play ANYWAY.
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Same exact issue with Controllers and MMs. If I previously put down money on the CoH or CoV box(es), why is it possible for me to lose access to those ATs?|
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
So, what's the real story?
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I'm not really sure why these reasonable questions concerning lack of consistency with the new system as described keep being met with mystifying (player) responses that begin with "Well, if you quit today you'd lose access to everything...".
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Yeah, at this point I'm getting the feeling that incarnate content isn't considered part of Going Rogue, thus why it won't be included in free or for premium players that haven't specifically paid for it.
Going Rogue was simply a prerequisite for incarnate abilities to be earned. Going Rogue was not sold with any Incarnate content. |
Don't confuse Going Rogue with just "Praetoria".
Going Rogue was an Expansion to the game that included Praetoria, 4 Powersets, CoH/V Morality System, *and* the Incarnate System.
It was made very explicit that the purchase of that expansion was access to the Incarnate System, even though the first part of the Incarnate System was pushed off an issue.
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The only part of I.S. that was supposed to be part of GR I remember was the Alpha slot.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Don't confuse Going Rogue with just "Praetoria".
Going Rogue was an Expansion to the game that included Praetoria, 4 Powersets, CoH/V Morality System, *and* the Incarnate System. It was made very explicit that the purchase of that expansion was access to the Incarnate System, even though the first part of the Incarnate System was pushed off an issue. |
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To my knowledge, those who had a subscription but let it lapse and play as Primium Members, dont lose access to Trollers/MMs.
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Originally Posted by IanTheM1
Same exact issue with Controllers and MMs. If I previously put down money on the CoH or CoV box(es), why is it possible for me to lose access to those ATs?
I'm not really sure why these reasonable questions concerning lack of consistency with the new system as described keep being met with mystifying (player) responses that begin with "Well, if you quit today you'd lose access to everything...". |
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All dev posts on the subject have said it depends on your veteran status, while during one of the streams it was stated you'd have to re-purchase Controller and MM access from the Paragon Store even as a Premium player.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
To my knowledge, those who had a subscription but let it lapse and play as Primium Members, dont lose access to Trollers/MMs.
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You'll have to purchase them if you weren't vetted enough to just have them given to you.
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Originally Posted by IanTheM1
All dev posts on the subject have said it depends on your veteran status, while during one of the streams it was stated you'd have to re-purchase Controller and MM access from the Paragon Store even as a Premium player.
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Now see, what if the MM or Troller was in your available slots? I think once you have access to them, you should beable to continue playing them.
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Originally Posted by IanTheM1
All dev posts on the subject have said it depends on your veteran status, while during one of the streams it was stated you'd have to re-purchase Controller and MM access from the Paragon Store even as a Premium player.
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Hence the question as to why they don't follow the rules of "if you previously purchased it, it's yours forever".
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Originally Posted by LISAR
You'll have to purchase them if you weren't vetted enough to just have them given to you.
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I want to say the question asked on the stream was actually "What if your character was an MM and you go Premium?" and it still got the response of "You'd have to re-buy access."|
Originally Posted by BrandX
Now see, what if the MM or Troller was in your available slots? I think once you have access to them, you should beable to continue playing them.
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As you can imagine, that got a negative reaction in the chat.
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The phrasing used by rednames has been "probably won't."
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Originally Posted by BrandX
To my knowledge, those who had a subscription but let it lapse and play as Primium Members, dont lose access to Trollers/MMs.
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Maybe vetted will mean box plus a month so anyone who had a free month gets them but people who made the during old trial accounts, buddy codes, or something similar won't be able to access them.
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Originally Posted by IanTheM1
Hence the question as to why they don't follow the rules of "if you previously purchased it, it's yours forever".
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One of the 'rules' of what you get on the Premium plan is that whatever you bought is unlocked, whether you buy it with real money (e.g., Booster, Character Slot unlock, Going Rogue) or with Paragon Points once the Paragon Store is open.
So, if you bought Going Rogue, then, as a Premium member, you have access to Going Rogue.
Now, Going Rogue is supposed to unlock the Incarnate System for you. If you have purchased GR, you've unlocked Incarnates. Or, to put it another way, if you want to purchase the Incarnate System, you do so by purchasing Going Rogue.
So, it was asked on Ustream if purchasing Going Rogue will unlock Incarnates for Premium members.
And the answer from Clockwork O1 was: Premium members do not have access to Incarnates, only VIPs do.
What?!
If Incarnates was purchased through GR, then why is there no access *at all* to it? That violates the first rule stated above.
Of course, this is completely contradicted by the Issue 21 Feature update that says that The Underground Incarnate Trial was purchasable for Premium members. It's Incarnate Content, but, purchasable, which contradicts what Clockwork O1 said.
So, what's the real story?
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