Drops are making me sad!
By
Aggelakis,
Posted on: 2011-06-16 04:27 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
There is a trick to getting purples. You have to be on teams and they have to fight in close proximity for the right drops. What server do you play on? I'm on Freedom. Also, with the next version/20.5 the purples become purchaseble from a vendor.
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I'm on Virtue, but I am a member of a very very large SG that so active it's super active. I am never alone, always in a full group and due to the nature of how I build my Emp/Psi she is litterally always in close prox of the group for aura healing, aura buffing, and providing PBAoE defenses through leadership pools. |
Originally Posted by Residentx10
There is a trick to getting purples. You have to be on teams and they have to fight in close proximity for the right drops. What server do you play on? I'm on Freedom. Also, with the next version the purples become purchaseble from a vendor.
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I tested the same issue on my Grav/FF, and although she at least has the ability to generate damage, she does spend a lot of time rebubbling or toggling force bubble when needed or generally holding everything on the map, and while her damage is respectable (Actually pretty Awesome) Im not going to compete on the same level as others for the amount of mobs I kill. She too is also very much in the thick of battle because of the nature of dispursion bubble being also PBAoE.
But she also get nothing purple. Although she does seem to get better rares than my emp.
((The problem I have with having to buy purples from a vendor, is that Im doing the work my AT was designed for, but not getting anything, so if making the purples available through a vendor is supposed to placate me, then why the heck would I run a TF in the first place. I like em, I think they are somewhat fun, but you are then locked into the said TF, which then puts time contraints on a person. You should/have too stick it out. But if Im not getting anything for doing my job, and the rewards are going to everyone else who Im assisting...why bother?))
Seriously. Did the Statesman 2 times this week with my Empath. We steam rolled it. I left with a Hami-O (Cuz the end of the mission allowed me to pick it) a Louisville Slammer, three normal recipes for SO's and a Zephyr.
My alternate runs provided similar results....or worse.
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I forgot to add this but reading your comments, you must be in close proximity and make the killing shot for the purple. I say proximity because I play a lot too(freedom) and I've had loose teams where they break off and fight and teams where they stay together and fight. In the herostats, the stay together team always get more overall drops.
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Originally Posted by Nyx
I'm on Virtue, but I am a member of a very very large SG that so active it's super active. I am never alone, always in a full group and due to the nature of how I build my Emp/Psi she is litterally always in close prox of the group for aura healing, aura buffing, and providing PBAoE defenses through leadership pools.
I tested the same issue on my Grav/FF, and although she at least has the ability to generate damage, she does spend a lot of time rebubbling or toggling force bubble when needed or generally holding everything on the map, and while her damage is respectable (Actually pretty Awesome) Im not going to compete on the same level as others for the amount of mobs I kill. She too is also very much in the thick of battle because of the nature of dispursion bubble being also PBAoE. But she also get nothing purple. Although she does seem to get better rares than my emp. Seriously. Did the Statesman 2 times this week with my Empath. We steam rolled it. I left with a Hami-O (Cuz the end of the mission allowed me to pick it) a Louisville Slammer, three normal recipes for SO's and a Zephyr. My alternate runs provided similar results....or worse. |
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Originally Posted by Residentx10
I forgot to add this but reading your comments, you must be in close proximity and make the killing shot for the purple. I say proximity because I play a lot too(freedom) and I've had loose teams where they break off and fight and teams where they stay together and fight. In the herostats, the stay together team always get more overall drops.
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Agreed. But, being in prox is all I can do. Im very PBAoE centric with both my mains based on the nature of their powers. Also, because of the fact that I tend to be somewhat Squishy, I really do rely on the aggro management of tanks and such.
Heck, my troller herself, although a bubbler and grav is extremely agressive in melee, and in most ITF's she gets nothing, and with most of those missions being cave based it's safe to say that proximity is not the issue. Although, as mentioned she does get at least some nice things.
Residentx10: Please don't spread misinformation. Drops do not work that way. You do not have to get the kill shot to get a drop, and proximity to your teammates has no effect on what kinds of drops you get. See this: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Recipe...nemy_Defeat.29 "If a team defeats an enemy that drops a recipe, it goes to a random team member."
Nyx: Sounds like a case of bad luck. I rarely see purples myself while everyone else around me gets them every run, and I play everything BUT support characters most of the time. It happens.
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Originally Posted by Dixileta
Residentx10: Please don't spread misinformation. Drops do not work that way. You do not have to get the kill shot to get a drop, and proximity to your teammates has no effect on what kinds of drops you get. See this: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Recipe...nemy_Defeat.29 "If a team defeats an enemy that drops a recipe, it goes to a random team member."
Nyx: Sounds like a case of bad luck. I rarely see purples myself while everyone else around me gets them every run, and I play everything BUT support characters most of the time. It happens. |
The wiki is not the source of my information. The wiki is wrong about a lot of things because they don't take into account the software bugs in the game. I read the wiki but I don't consider it the final authority. The wiki is the young, inexperienced players hangout. They want to comment with authority but they have minimum actual game playing time so they quote from there to try to have their comments sound stronger.
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Back to my point before I was rudely interupted. I have a similar situation to yours. I have a Dom, Controller, and MM. The MM no problems, the Dom not problems. The Controller who was my first character get nothing. I have to do welfare from my other characters to help keep her current. I have finally decided to respec her with more of the other powers to give her more punch. This is the only solution after playing weeks at a time with no minimum results.
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Originally Posted by Nyx
Agreed. But, being in prox is all I can do. Im very PBAoE centric with both my mains based on the nature of their powers. Also, because of the fact that I tend to be somewhat Squishy, I really do rely on the aggro management of tanks and such.
Heck, my troller herself, although a bubbler and grav is extremely agressive in melee, and in most ITF's she gets nothing, and with most of those missions being cave based it's safe to say that proximity is not the issue. Although, as mentioned she does get at least some nice things. |
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Ah ok. That information helps. I'm just getting frustrated. Not because I really want purples. But mainly because I need the cash (Selfish...I know) and currently my only source of income is running TF's or winning CC's (At least I can build pretty things)|
Originally Posted by Dixileta
Residentx10: Please don't spread misinformation. Drops do not work that way. You do not have to get the kill shot to get a drop, and proximity to your teammates has no effect on what kinds of drops you get. See this: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Recipe...nemy_Defeat.29 "If a team defeats an enemy that drops a recipe, it goes to a random team member."
Nyx: Sounds like a case of bad luck. I rarely see purples myself while everyone else around me gets them every run, and I play everything BUT support characters most of the time. It happens. |
I sometimes almost wish there was some form of Need/Greed/Pass system like other games have where it generates higher values of gaining a rare based on a persons decision to accept it. Or even an option for a Rare/Purple, instead of reward merits.
Although, the nature and expense people are willing to pay for a purple, I really doubt people would pass, or vote anything but "Need", and sometimes that can slow down game play. Which obviously is not what I would want either. Also could lead to infighting. Which I also don't want.
Id just like to get something.
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My controller is "Punchy", but even respeccing my Emp/Psi, I don't think I could give her more ooomph even if I tried. My Snipe is really my damage "Winning Ticket" but my other ranged attacks are a solid chain. |
Originally Posted by Residentx10
Back to my point before I was rudely interupted. I have a similar situation to yours. I have a Dom, Controller, and MM. The MM no problems, the Dom not problems. The Controller who was my first character get nothing. I have to do welfare from my other characters to help keep her current. I have final decided to respec her with more of the other powers to give her more punch. This is the only solution after playing weeks at a time with no minimum results.
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She does have spiritual teir three, which compliments her very well, and the recharge means more attacks, but again...yeilding nothing.
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There is a way...respec and choose more ancillary/epic powers and skip the regular ones.
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Originally Posted by Nyx
My controller is "Punchy", but even respeccing my Emp/Psi, I don't think I could give her more ooomph even if I tried. My Snipe is really my damage "Winning Ticket" but my other ranged attacks are a solid chain.
She does have spiritual teir three, which compliments her very well, and the recharge means more attacks, but again...yeilding nothing. |
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Mmmhmmm. My controller has all the Psi attack. And she is damn awesome! Considdering FF and Grav have very skippable powers I didn't find it hard to enhance her with many of the Psi abilities controllers gain access too. And Gav is not lacking in attacks. She is also so procced out that she does damage just sneezing in your direction.|
Originally Posted by Residentx10
There is a way...choose more epic powers and skip the regular ones.
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the epic pool I took for Emp/Psi however was power mastry. never underestimate the benefit of Power Boosting buffs. Although it makes her less punchy, it's a sacrifice for ensuring that what I do best (Buffs) are the best buffs ever.
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Originally Posted by Residentx10
I forgot to add this but reading your comments, you must be in close proximity and make the killing shot for the purple. I say proximity because I play a lot too(freedom) and I've had loose teams where they break off and fight and teams where they stay together and fight. In the herostats, the stay together team always get more overall drops.
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umm that might be because you as a team are fighting closer together thus killing things quicker
There is 100% no way that you have to be the one dealing the "killing blow" to get a purple [even as a trick].
On incarnate trials i get a ton of purples and most of the time its on my ill/rad when im either shouting out the tactics [thus not killing anything since i put away pets when i do that] or in heal mode [when the AVs are at 10% hp]. So the whole argument of dealing a killing blow is mute to be honest.
The teaming aspect is your best bet though and you can go months without a purple or you can get about 10 in a week [know a friend on Union Chat had something like that, lucky *****]. There never has been a trick to getting purples, never has and never will.
@Damz Find me on the global channel Union Chat. One of the best "chat channels" ingame!
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Originally Posted by Residentx10
There is a way...respec and choose more ancillary/epic powers and skip the regular ones.
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100% no. Only do this if you want to add them to your build, dont add powers into your build because of this information, if it suits your build then fine great otherwise dont do it for this reason because its both wrong and incorrect [thats two types of wrongs
].I like to think that i have a lot of information regarding drops because i play a lot [just like you said in your post] and thats my argument and i have a feeling a lot of players will agree with me.
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| The wiki is the young, inexperienced players hangout. They want to comment with authority but they have minimum actual game playing time so they quote from there to try to have their comments sound stronger. |
@Damz Find me on the global channel Union Chat. One of the best "chat channels" ingame!
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Originally Posted by EU_Damz
umm that might be because you as a team are fighting closer together thus killing things quicker
There is 100% no way that you have to be the one dealing the "killing blow" to get a purple [even as a trick]. On incarnate trials i get a ton of purples and most of the time its on my ill/rad when im either shouting out the tactics [thus not killing anything since i put away pets when i do that] or in heal mode [when the AVs are at 10% hp]. So the whole argument of dealing a killing blow is mute to be honest. The teaming aspect is your best bet though and you can go months without a purple or you can get about 10 in a week [know a friend on Union Chat had something like that, lucky *****]. There never has been a trick to getting purples, never has and never will. |
I was talking about regular TFs not incarnate trials. Those are different.
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Im rolling a Dominator now. Hopefully she can fund my tiny army of pretty things.
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Originally Posted by EU_Damz
umm that might be because you as a team are fighting closer together thus killing things quicker
There is 100% no way that you have to be the one dealing the "killing blow" to get a purple [even as a trick]. On incarnate trials i get a ton of purples and most of the time its on my ill/rad when im either shouting out the tactics [thus not killing anything since i put away pets when i do that] or in heal mode [when the AVs are at 10% hp]. So the whole argument of dealing a killing blow is mute to be honest. The teaming aspect is your best bet though and you can go months without a purple or you can get about 10 in a week [know a friend on Union Chat had something like that, lucky *****]. There never has been a trick to getting purples, never has and never will. |
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Originally Posted by EU_Damz
umm that might be because you as a team are fighting closer together thus killing things quicker
There is 100% no way that you have to be the one dealing the "killing blow" to get a purple [even as a trick]. On incarnate trials i get a ton of purples and most of the time its on my ill/rad when im either shouting out the tactics [thus not killing anything since i put away pets when i do that] or in heal mode [when the AVs are at 10% hp]. So the whole argument of dealing a killing blow is mute to be honest. The teaming aspect is your best bet though and you can go months without a purple or you can get about 10 in a week [know a friend on Union Chat had something like that, lucky *****]. There never has been a trick to getting purples, never has and never will. |
Turn on the herostats and post them for your trial runs, ok? I'm just curious. Some of my comments have been based on statistical analysis of herostat files.
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Originally Posted by Residentx10
I was talking about regular TFs not incarnate trials. Those are different.
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Ok fine another case in hand then, on the ITFs on my emp which is a "pure buffer" with almost no attacks, i still get purples.
Is it from me dealing the killer blow? No, its from the RNG from the team i am on dealing X amount of damage to an enemy to have the chance of a drop which is then spread out throughout the team.
@Damz Find me on the global channel Union Chat. One of the best "chat channels" ingame!
Everyone know the Tank Archetype get the most drops of all the types. This is because of their "Death Dealing" powers. I call it the front line bonus...but you'll never read this in the wiki
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Originally Posted by Residentx10
Turn on the herostats and post them for your trial runs, ok? I'm just curious. Some of my comments have been based on statistical analysis of herostat files.
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If you are point blank saying that this is how things work [and to be honest its the first time i've EVER heard it] then you are the one who needs to provide all the evidence to proove this is the case in hand.
I am going from experience of playing on multiple different toons of a wide variety so i do not feel i have to show figures and everything to prove your theory is wrong sorry.
@Damz Find me on the global channel Union Chat. One of the best "chat channels" ingame!
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Can somebody post a facepalm picture please?
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Originally Posted by Residentx10
Everyone know the Tank Archetype get the most drops of all the types. This is because of their "Death Dealing" powers. I call it the front line bonus...but you'll never read this in the wiki
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@Damz Find me on the global channel Union Chat. One of the best "chat channels" ingame!
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You made some claims about 10 purples in a run, that's amazing. Even when thing go well for me 3-5 per run has been my max. 10 is just exceptional and I would love to see stats on that. This isn't a personal attack. Stats aren't 100% perfect but they do allow better conversation than one's based solely on wiki links.|
Originally Posted by EU_Damz
If you are point blank saying that this is how things work [and to be honest its the first time i've EVER heard it] then you are the one who needs to provide all the evidence to proove this is the case in hand.
I am going from experience of playing on multiple different toons of a wide variety so i do not feel i have to show figures and everything to prove your theory is wrong sorry. |
Edit: I record all of my stats now and and I run them on an HPC monthly now. I've learned alot through this methodology(time of day, team size, archetype combos)
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Originally Posted by Residentx10
You made some claims about 10 purples in a run, that's amazing. Even when thing go well for me 3-5 per run has been my max. 10 is just exceptional and I would love to see stats on that. This isn't a personal attack. Stats are 100% perfect but they do allow better conversation than one's based solely on wiki links.
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I didnt say in one run, i said in one week.
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Originally Posted by EU_Damz
Can somebody post a facepalm picture please?
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Ok. I dunno about the math...the wiki...all that goodness.|
Originally Posted by EU_Damz
Can somebody post a facepalm picture please?
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I don't know if tanks or scrappers get the most Drops. So I cannot say if this is right or wrong.
I have a friend though, who I often...ok almost always group with, and he is a fire/fire tanks. And our Spines/Fire Scrapper all seem to get the purples. Whether this is luck or not I am not sure. But they get them tons. Sometimes two a run.
I can't say it's because of the AT or it's killing prowes, cuz frankly I don't know. I do know that even if the information thats being posted about said killing ability is wrong, even completely wrong, it almost seems as though it's not wrong.
First off. This is mostly an observation of drops that I have been getting on my characters. Im finding it really frustrating now now things are generated.
Im not speaking of incarnate drops at all. Im talking normal drops for recipes. Purples being the main thing. Im getting frustrated with it, and I play a lot. Prolly a little to much to be honest.
But I am resigned to think that TF's etc are designed for specific types of AT's, which is even more frustrating, because of the dynamic of how the AT's work together with certain types of AT"s having a higher ratio of kills they get.
For example. My mains are Grav/FF Controller, and an Empathy/Psi Defender.
Both are great for TF's but usually people ask for me to bring the Emp/Psi defender because I have a lot of experience with her buffing and focusing heals and know how to distribute the buffs accordingly to ensure the team is healthy.
Although I attack a lot. My damage is meager. I knew it would be considdering I am a support set that offers no debuffs or other means of influencing the enemy targets as I only focus on my teammates. But my attack chain is extremely active.
Im getting nothing. My contribution yields nothing more than a Envenomed Dagger or a Plasmatic Tazer. After running 3 ITFs, an Apex, and 2 Statesmans...oh and a Lady Grey, I have seen nothing.
A couple Jaunts, a Kinetic Combat, and Rare Confuse recipe.
My teammates. Tanks, Scrappers and Most definately Blasters or AOE focused folks with DPS and high ratio of direct defeats are getting mega purples.
What am I doing wrong here. Sure...I know my damage sucks. I didn't make it suck, the game makes it suck. I know I am an Empath...But healing friends seems to not directly effect my participation and certainly does nothing for my kill ratio.
Is this all support toons? Unfortunately, I do play a lot of support toons.
I have been playing for close to three years (Although I did have another account and took some time away from the game) but in my 10 months back I have gotten one purple drop and it's not for lack of running TFS.
Seriously, I am so frustrated with it. I just don't get it at all.