Regen issues

I've been frustrated by the following for years, and it's getting to the point where I just don't want to play my /regen scrapper anymore. This is a rant post, but I am hoping that there may be some tiny chance that it effects some change for the better.

Issue #1: No -regen resistance.
And consequently, most fights are either nigh-trivial, or instantly deadly. Fights against longbow are especially annoying. Even Instant Healing is no use against the -regen that comes out. Regen has exactly one defensive trick, and -regen completely neuters it.

Issue #2: Revive leaves one vulnerable
So after being defeated by -regen, what can one do? Revive, and get back into battle? No, because between Revive firing and one being able to do anything, there is a period where one is nothing but a sitting duck, with all toggles down, ready to be slain by whatever defeated us in the first place. Even if you survive that, there is no grace period in which one can toggle back on Integration or any other defensive toggles, or invoke Dull Pain, or anything of the sort. The only time Revive is safe to use, is when you don't need to do it.

Regen has been made into a clicky, reactive set, very different from its origins. Latency doesn't help any, and any sort -recharge makes things a lot worse. But even when one can use judgement to prepare for a fight with Instant Healing, say, it doesn't matter if the foes have -regen. When latency means you don't get that DP off in time, Revive can't help you. [And even if it did, chances are DP or MoG triggered and is now unavailable.] It's infuriating. Let's see it fixed.

#1: While I agree that the set should have -regen resistance, Regen hardly has only one trick. Reconstruction is a heal, not regeneration. Dull Pain is a heal, and having huge hit points helps even when you're not regenerating. Moment of Glory is defense and resistance. To this you can add Tough, good defense, and Shadow Meld. There's no reason for having your regeneration shut off being a death sentence.

#2: I'm guessing that Moment of Glory should be your go to power right after clicking Revive. Fifteen seconds of invincibility should give you time to toggle up and be back in the fight. I wouldn't know because I never took Revive. I prefer spending my power picks on powers that keep me from dying in the first place, though I mostly solo so I have a lot of control over strategy, pacing and difficulty level that I wouldn't have on a team.

As for Regen being a clicky, reactive set, very different from its origins, you're right. Now, what exactly do you mean when you say "Let's see it fixed"? You want all the clicks to be toggles or something? Maybe you want -recharge resistance, since you complain about -recharge?

I believe halfflat's point is that if you use Revive, you are killed while it is still animating. No time to animate MoG or anything else for that matter. Revive should have 15s of true invulnerability (Untouchable) like the real T9 rezzes do - you know, on top of having a nice secondary effect.

I'm totally on board with Fast Healing having the same -regen resistance that willpower gets, since WP has much more diverse tools on top of it's regen and better rez.

I also think Revive could use protection when you wake up. Lacking it really often makes it incredibly hard to use when you really need it. Heck, Fiery Aura's self-rez both makes you invulnerable and knocks stuff away. I know it's a T9 rez, but as someone with a FA Brute, I wouldn't feel slighted at all if my Regens got a better rez.

I wouldn't turn my nose up on -Regen resistance, but I'd be happier with -recharge resistance. Fiery Aura got it, and in some ways I think FA is less dependent on recharge than Regen is. (Regen gets more click powers to help it survive, meaning it can chain them to last a while when its recharge is debuffed, but FA gets resists and offensive powers.)

Umm..if you jump away from their spawn point the baddies will go back to their coffee break after removing you head. that way you can rez in peace.

I have no problems with the Regen set, it works great for me. But I don't take Revive - you are correct that it's pretty worthless as is. And it certainly seems thematically appropriate for Regen to have a decent Rez power.

I think Debuff Res would make Regen significantly more powerful. I know some people don't like how it feels now (which is fine - not every set is going to make every player happy). But I don't think buffing the set (ahem) is the way to go.

It's hard to analyze sets because the threshold at casual level may be completely different from the threshold at high end levels. Regen is a great example. It arguably benefits more than any of the other scrapper sets from reaching the soft cap on s/l. That is a huge mitigator of debuffs, and amplifies Regen's strength even more than it does a Resist set, IMO.

Debuff resistance is great, but I really don't feel it would change the competitive level of Regen. It's true that the set goes down fast when things go bad. But I know my WP, despite it's inherent layering advantages, suffers almost as much from massed debuffing. DP and MoG both are a solid advantage for Regen over WP.

I have no problem with seeing the most patched set in history get a little love. I just feel it's nowhere near the top of sets that could use some attention.

I've been saying that Regeneration needs debuff resistance for a while, and its fallen on deaf ears. Regeneration needs a lot more then just DR in order to make it a decent set again.

I think Regen is overdue for some debuff resistance. It's much more reliant on clicks than FA, so IMO it should have more -recharge resistance than FA got, but I'll take whatever I can get. 20% debuff resistance won't do much in the face of some of the massive debuffs that get thrown around, but I'm sure there are at least some edge cases where it could make the difference between surviving and not.

Ditto for -regen resistance. Having regen so easily completely floored on a set named after the effect seems wrong to me. However I don't know that there's a number that could give meaningful protection without being too much. The -regen effects out there seem to be made so strong as to be guaranteed to overpower anything. It's like facing the riders in the LGTF or AV Positron. Once they hit you, your recharge is gone, no matter what. None of your powers are recharging until the power effect wears off, regardless of your -recharge resistance because the effects are just that strong. Fortunately -recharge effects of that magnitude are rare. The same is not true for -regen however.

The self rez needs a period of untouchability. If you take Resilience, which negates the stun from an Awaken inspiration, there is literally no benefit to using Revive over an Awaken. I can e-mail myself a few Awakens and have no reason whatsoever to take that power. My preference would be for that to be the only change however. I'm not a fan of rezzes that offer a buff followed by a debuff. They seem to be designed with the presumption that they will be used to recover from a bad situation, followed by stopping to catch your breath. In practice the team is moving on to the next set of mobs while I'm debuffed. That's why the Rad ally rez is my least favorite in the game. I get back in the action, then a minute later I'm wondering why I keep missing. I look at my tohit and realize it's the debuff from the rez. Then I go make a sandwich or something while I wait for it to wear off.

I'd like to see 20% -recharge resist in resiliance and additional 25% in in each application of reconstruction for 30 seconds. Add winter's Gift and the set would have to *work* to maintain 100% with set bonuses.

Add strong (1000s?) -regen to IH, modifiable with slotting, and active only wihile IH active, to power thru -regen debuffs in the game

Or, scrap both and just add 80% -recharge to IH while up (+20% from resiliance) to let all other things recharge (instant heal) more quickly.

the changes to revive as stated are fine.