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Peta, then Exa, Zetta, Yotta. 1 Yottabyte being 1,125,899,906,842,624 Terabytes |
Originally Posted by Escher
So, about two weeks ago both my desktop and laptop broke. One of them was my fault. I decided that I'd take advantage of a nice package deal at a local computer store and get a "build it yourself" kit. So yesterday, I put together a moderately good system: 3.2 GHz i5 CPU, 4 Gigs of DDR3 1333 MHZ ram (I might expand to 8 later, the board has room to go to 16 if I wish) reused my recent ATI 4750 Graphix card, 550 W Power supply, 24x DVD -RW drive... Here's the thing that got me...
TWO TERABYTE Harddrive. I want all you youngsters to consider that in sixteen short years, we've seen a 2000 fold increase in the size of your average hard drive. (not to mention the speed of ram and cpu's). I mean... DAYAM! Makes me wonder what they're going to call the next iteration... Quadrabyte? Ultrabyte? OMFGByte? -Da bug |
Currently rocking 4.5Tb in my "main" PC - no such thing as enough space these days, especially once you start ripping CDs, DVDs, Bluray, lots of photos, games with 15Gb+ installs and soforth.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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Hate to tell you this, but HD sizes will likely be shrinking if current trends hold. I say this as someone who has 4 Terrabytes of HD storage in my rig.
The current trend will shift towards SSDs and "cloud" type services. Smaller, faster HDs that can access a virtual database simplifies synching of mobile devices with your primary PC. Off site data storage is nothing new, but lots of companies are looking to make it more assessable to the mainstream market. Amazon and Google are both making a big push in this direction, expect other companies to follow.
Mind you, I am stubborn and refuse to run my main rig with less than 300 GB HD but also refuse to shell out $600 for a 300 GB SSD. Hopefully, the reports will ring true and the SSD price tags will drop considerably in the coming year. I'm really crossing my fingers since I have 3 HDs that are past typical usage life.
In other words, don't go crazy with HDs, kiddies. If you are willing to shell out current SSD prices, more power to ya. If you can afford to push your rigs along until the price drops, I strongly recommend it. SSDs are the future of PCs, especially gaming rigs.
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SSDs have a looong way to go before they're usable as infrequent-access storage for large amounts of data. It's entirely possible that they may never outstrip magnetic storage in terms of price per volume, though I suspect that they will; more through a change by manufacturers to focus on SSD development than the magic of solid state storage.|
Originally Posted by Desmodos
Hate to tell you this, but HD sizes will likely be shrinking if current trends hold. I say this as someone who has 4 Terrabytes of HD storage in my rig.
The current trend will shift towards SSDs and "cloud" type services. Smaller, faster HDs that can access a virtual database simplifies synching of mobile devices with your primary PC. Off site data storage is nothing new, but lots of companies are looking to make it more assessable to the mainstream market. Amazon and Google are both making a big push in this direction, expect other companies to follow. Mind you, I am stubborn and refuse to run my main rig with less than 300 GB HD but also refuse to shell out $600 for a 300 GB SSD. Hopefully, the reports will ring true and the SSD price tags will drop considerably in the coming year. I'm really crossing my fingers since I have 3 HDs that are past typical usage life. In other words, don't go crazy with HDs, kiddies. If you are willing to shell out current SSD prices, more power to ya. If you can afford to push your rigs along until the price drops, I strongly recommend it. SSDs are the future of PCs, especially gaming rigs. |
As for the cloud, it's as much of a passing trend now as it was the last time (except it wasn't called "the cloud" last time). Computer tech is cyclical: Thin Client->Fat Client->Thin Client and so on, with the driving force to move from one to the other is either "Not enough power" (move to thin client) or "Not enough bandwidth" (move to fat client).
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I tried to be specific about the current trend. I agree the philosophy of fat client vs thin client will always be swinging pendulum. It always hinders on usage versus available technology. Previous infrastructure could not support usage on thin clients. With the current influx of smart phones (also not really new technology), the current shift will be towards thin clients. Like every tech trend, I have no doubt the pendulum will swing the other way towards thick clients. |
Originally Posted by The_Spad_EU
SSDs have a looong way to go before they're usable as infrequent-access storage for large amounts of data. It's entirely possible that they may never outstrip magnetic storage in terms of price per volume, though I suspect that they will; more through a change by manufacturers to focus on SSD development than the magic of solid state storage.
As for the cloud, it's as much of a passing trend now as it was the last time (except it wasn't called "the cloud" last time). Computer tech is cyclical: Thin Client->Fat Client->Thin Client and so on, with the driving force to move from one to the other is either "Not enough power" (move to thin client) or "Not enough bandwidth" (move to fat client). |
Presently, the pendulum is moment away from thick towards thin. How far and how long the momentum will continue is up for grabs. My money is on thin clients...for the next 5 years so.
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Presently, the pendulum is moment away from thick towards thin. How far and how long the momentum will continue is up for grabs. My money is on thin clients...for the next 5 years so.
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By no means are we the youngest, but at 20 and 23, Ele and I have at least been around to watch a few of these jumps. We surely respect the strides taken by the industry; the first hard drive we had on our very first gaming computer to the two of us in the late 90s had a whopping 4gb hard drive that required us to uninstall Baldour's Gate every time we wanted to try out ANY other new game. I remember doing so for Daggerfall, Counter Strike 1.5, 1.6, Black and White, Lords of Magic, and I'm sure others as well. We actually ended up burning the motherboard out somehow when we tried plugging up two PCI video cards up and running two monitors way back then, not flatscreens but the old |
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type.Of course the first computer we ever got to play games on was our older brother Soupor's
So even with our limited age and exposure, we have tons of respect for the progression the industry has taken.
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We had a TI Computer when I was quite young, though it was more of a console: it was a keyboard with the processing stuff inside, and you hooked it up to a TV. We mostly used it for games. Then we had a Macintosh that I did all my high school papers on... most gaming was on our Super Nintendo then.
First computer I had was a used Compaq I bought from a company I was working at for the summer. Ended up having to get a HD for it soon after that was about $100 for 10 GB HD. I paid significantly less than that a couple of years ago for a drive that had... 60x more storage? Insanity. I also thought it was insane when I was able to get 4 GB so cheaply for my current rig two years ago, yet now it's pretty much thought of as required.
*sighs* I can appreciate how fast things are growing, but I still hate that PC games continue to follow the trend of "higher requirements=better games." The bar gets moved a little too quickly, and not for a whole lot of gain, to my mind.
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Patching DOS to use a hard drive.
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Hardcards?
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Full-width dot matrix printers.
Gold monochrome screens (only pansies had greenscreens).
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We've had moves towards thin clients several times in the last 30-odd years. It only lasts so long before people get fed up with how limited they are.|
Originally Posted by Desmodos
Presently, the pendulum is moment away from thick towards thin. How far and how long the momentum will continue is up for grabs. My money is on thin clients...for the next 5 years so.
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Yes, they're getting less limited, but they're still limited by their very nature.
Sooner or later someone ALWAYS wants/needs a fat client.
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Originally Posted by Grey Pilgrim
The times certainly are a-changing.
We had a TI Computer when I was quite young, though it was more of a console: it was a keyboard with the processing stuff inside, and you hooked it up to a TV. We mostly used it for games. Then we had a Macintosh that I did all my high school papers on... most gaming was on our Super Nintendo then. First computer I had was a used Compaq I bought from a company I was working at for the summer. Ended up having to get a HD for it soon after that was about $100 for 10 GB HD. I paid significantly less than that a couple of years ago for a drive that had... 60x more storage? Insanity. I also thought it was insane when I was able to get 4 GB so cheaply for my current rig two years ago, yet now it's pretty much thought of as required. *sighs* I can appreciate how fast things are growing, but I still hate that PC games continue to follow the trend of "higher requirements=better games." The bar gets moved a little too quickly, and not for a whole lot of gain, to my mind. |
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We're talking 2000/2001 here, so no. It started out with a 3.2 GB hard drive, but it kept having issues, so I replaced it with said 10 GB drive. I had a computer inclined friend that joked about charging me for finding that "deal" at the time (and it was a deal). I laughed that bit of stupidity off, but I do remember it. |
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Now, I'm sure there were Compaqs with that much at some point, but not the on I bought. I was able to play Shogun: Total War on the one I bought, which was somewhat beefy for the time.
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Hehe, while the walk down memory (card) lane has in fact been fun to read... I must admit that now that I have apparently built a stable system that does everything I want it to do... I'm tempted to find some person with more money than sense and say "you tell me what you want in it, pay for the parts, give me a reasonable amount of money for my trouble... and LET ME BUILD YOU A @#$^@#$ING BEAST!"
16 TB hard drive? DONE!
Duel latest-generation-video-cards-that-totally-rock DONE!
4 GB memory? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? How much does your board take? 128 GB? DONE!
Can we find a mother board that runs EIGHT processors at once? DONE!
You want a pimped out case? How about neon lights, a fridge, and a walk in Humidor?
Use a freaking Pratt and Whitney Engine to run the Liquid Nitrogen cooling system... turn it on and watch the entire block go dim cause of the power draw!!!
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Once you find out how many manuals computer parts come with, it seems silly to pay extra for a computer company or other person to do it for you. I had a little difficulty getting a light hooked up on my computer, but I hardly need the "DVD drive is working" light to be going for me. It runs just fine, and that's all I need. Everything else was easy, ironically enough.
Wish some people would pay me to do it, too. It's kind of fun to do the research and put it together.
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I love building systems. I'm on my fourth now (if you count the one I built for FMP). I've gotten 4-5 years out of each one. I usually end up upgrading the video card and doubling the RAM after a couple years, but otherwise they're stable and only end up getting replaced when it's time to move up to a different processor/motherboard architecture. It's not just about getting exactly what you want in your system for usually a better price than what the computer manufacturers can get you. It's also NOT having what you don't want in the system - all that stupid trial software, shareware, support software crap you get with a PC from, say, Dell. I like running with a clean lean and mean system.
I wish it was just as easy to build your own laptop.
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Below is the link to my first ground up build I've ever done. (To qualify that I've done EVERYTHING to build a system before when the mobo on my last store bought system fried, only thing I didn't do there is re-install the OS.) I'm actually in the process of trying to get the order confirmed so it'll be here for my 5 day Memorial Day weekend, problems keep cropping up (stupid MasterCard SecureCard password, stupid land line telephone company, stupid... I'll stop there).|
Originally Posted by MedievalPower
I love building systems. I'm on my fourth now (if you count the one I built for FMP). I've gotten 4-5 years out of each one. I usually end up upgrading the video card and doubling the RAM after a couple years, but otherwise they're stable and only end up getting replaced when it's time to move up to a different processor/motherboard architecture. It's not just about getting exactly what you want in your system for usually a better price than what the computer manufacturers can get you. It's also NOT having what you don't want in the system - all that stupid trial software, shareware, support software crap you get with a PC from, say, Dell. I like running with a clean lean and mean system.
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I wish processor and 3d Card makers would find a way to streamline all their info more... quite a mouthful there to read through, and even know what it means.|
Originally Posted by Vanum
Below is the link to my first ground up build I've ever done. (To qualify that I've done EVERYTHING to build a system before when the mobo on my last store bought system fried, only thing I didn't do there is re-install the OS.) I'm actually in the process of trying to get the order confirmed so it'll be here for my 5 day Memorial Day weekend, problems keep cropping up (stupid MasterCard SecureCard password, stupid land line telephone company, stupid... I'll stop there).
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That's quite the money you're dropping there, Vanum. Don't think I've ever been able to sink that much into a system in one go at all.
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See that's the thing though. I have 2 desktops. My current gaming machine ('bout 5 years old) and my old gaming machine (that I do everything else on that's about 10 years old now). So basically it's 2k every 5 years. Spread out like that it's not so bad.|
Originally Posted by Grey Pilgrim
That's quite the money you're dropping there, Vanum. Don't think I've ever been able to sink that much into a system in one go at all.
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P.S. As of right now everything but the case is scheduled to ship out via UPS tonight which means I'll get it Tuesdayish. Still hoping the case will ship out tonight, it's going out of CA so they still have daylight over there.
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I tend to do $1-1.5K every three years, so yeah, you've got me beat. I end up swapping hard drives about every two years because I get paranoid that they're going to die on me.|
Originally Posted by Vanum
See that's the thing though. I have 2 desktops. My current gaming machine ('bout 5 years old) and my old gaming machine (that I do everything else on that's about 10 years old now). So basically it's 2k every 5 years. Spread out like that it's not so bad.
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I also just spent $300 on a video card last spring (which somehow managed to surprise me by requiring an $100 PSU), and I already kinda want to upgrade it again. And then there was the mid-fall $1400 upgrade in which I splurged on a $250 computer case (I should never need to buy a computer case ever again, as long as form factors don't change drastically).
At the very least, I have a serious itch to upgrade the GeForce 7600 in my previous computer to a $150ish current generation GeForce card, and see if I can get at least 2GB more memory into it (not sure if I'll be able to find compatible 2x2GB sticks for it, though... it's an older DDR2 board).
The REALLY sad thing is that I don't need the level of hardware I've got, even in my older system, for anything other than CoH. Even my previous system would still blow away most of what you can buy off the shelf at Best Buy for under a grand. But, I do IT support for a living, and can't help but drool over new PC components as they come out...
Right now, aside from the upgrades to my old system and possible new video card for my current system, I've also got a craving to play with some SSD drives, and maybe to build a small file/multimedia server to act as a DVR system. It's kind of a shame I quit programming when I finished college... if motivated, I could probably build a completely kick-*** DVR application with some of the knowledge the engineers in my company have acquired in working on video.
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While I can appreciate the math, I'm more in the category of $500-$600 every five years, with maybe a little upgrading to memory and 3d cards in between (I may do this in a year or two for the system I've had 2-3 years now... hopefully will let me dial up Ultra mode a little more). Hence my saying that it's a tidy bit of money. |
Originally Posted by Vanum
See that's the thing though. I have 2 desktops. My current gaming machine ('bout 5 years old) and my old gaming machine (that I do everything else on that's about 10 years old now). So basically it's 2k every 5 years. Spread out like that it's not so bad.
P.S. As of right now everything but the case is scheduled to ship out via UPS tonight which means I'll get it Tuesdayish. Still hoping the case will ship out tonight, it's going out of CA so they still have daylight over there. |
Now if only I could make tons of money with my writing, or my wife could get a higher paying job... then I might be able to go more expensive. Of course, we need to get a digital SLR camera, and those things are $500-$600 as well. Ouch.
Chad, what other computer games do you play? If you're in to shooters or even something like the new Shogun: Total War 2, you should easily go beyond CoH's requirements. I'm a little worried about what SWTOR is going to require, but hopefully it won't be too hefty.
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Just City of Heroes, really. Every once in a while I'll grab a demo of something, or play a game from the late 90s/early 2000s, but really I only use the hardware to play CoH.|
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Chad, what other computer games do you play?
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I just really like getting new computer parts.
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So, about two weeks ago both my desktop and laptop broke. One of them was my fault. I decided that I'd take advantage of a nice package deal at a local computer store and get a "build it yourself" kit. So yesterday, I put together a moderately good system: 3.2 GHz i5 CPU, 4 Gigs of DDR3 1333 MHZ ram (I might expand to 8 later, the board has room to go to 16 if I wish) reused my recent ATI 4750 Graphix card, 550 W Power supply, 24x DVD -RW drive... Here's the thing that got me...
TWO TERABYTE Harddrive.
I want all you youngsters to consider that in sixteen short years, we've seen a 2000 fold increase in the size of your average hard drive. (not to mention the speed of ram and cpu's).
I mean... DAYAM!
Makes me wonder what they're going to call the next iteration... Quadrabyte? Ultrabyte? OMFGByte?
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