Help with top end soft-capped Katana/Regeneration

I've been fighting with myself for the last few days over this, primarily between keeping flashing steel or not.
The final decision fell on dropping it, because, if the trend continues, the enemies we fight will continue to be over-sized, and a melee cone like that will have a hard time hitting more than a few enemies.
The other problem for me was that I am not going to drop SJ, I will not rely on temps. With those two specifications, I pretty much couldn't keep tactics, either.
I also broke down and decided it would probably be better for me in the end to get out of mako mastery (even though water spout is awesome), and get into Soul, where the party's at.

Using the rebirth approach we've been discussing, I *think* this is what I want. The only real thing that stands out is no kismet or tactics, so SD is a bit low on accuracy, but everything else is fine (vs +3s) (missing isn't a huge deal to me, however, and if I'm fighting something higher than that, I'm bound to have at least 1 tohit buff around me).
I think this is what I'm going to retire on:

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Originally Posted by Iggy_Kamakaze I hate to be the bringer of bad news... but Willpower sucks!!! you're better off rolling a regen

Update: I did find a glitch in spreadsheet I hadn't noticed when testing an example build. Once I cleared all the fields it stuck out this morning. "Regen Rate % For Rebirth" input field has to be at least a value of 1.00% in order for the "hidden equations" to process; it was completely zeroing out the final Regen HP/s score and I hadn't realized this before. I've updated the GoogleDocs to account for this, incase anyone's downloaded that version prior to now, this is the fix to that issue if you're experiencing it.


On a side note, as seen in the Example Build, Claws/Regen with 3890 isn't too shabby in my opinion. I'm seeing a way to weight comparison when matching it against my KM/SR (400% Regen, close to 1900 HP, 48% Positionals and Aid Self) is scoring 3073 (Which, for note, is the same back-bone to the MA/SR build for Arcanaville). If I expect a certian level of performance from one, I should (in theory) be able to maintain the same, if not higher, level of expectation from the other if player-skill is capable of syncing with the character's abilities. I'm also intrigued by my Spines/DA rocketing up to 8438.

Would someone mind posting the forum version of some of these builds? I'd really like to see Werner's last one, Elegost's and Iggy's more affordable one.

A small percentage of us are on Mac and don't have access to Mid's, so it'd be really helpful.

I'll still keep it to short versions, if you want the longer ones, I'll edit it.

This is my finished build, including SJ (which they don't include)
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Level 50 Natural Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Katana
Secondary Power Set: Regeneration
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Gambler's Cut -- Hectmb-Dmg(A), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(3), Hectmb-Dam%(3), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg(5), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx(5), Achilles-ResDeb%(7)
Level 1: Fast Healing -- Panac-Heal/+End(A)
Level 2: Reconstruction -- Panac-Heal/EndRedux(A), Panac-EndRdx/Rchg(7), Panac-Heal/Rchg(9), Panac-Heal/EndRedux/Rchg(9), Panac-Heal(11)
Level 4: Quick Recovery -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(11), P'Shift-Acc/Rchg(13), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(13), P'Shift-EndMod(15), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(15)
Level 6: Build Up -- GSFC-ToHit(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(37), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(39), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(40), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(40), GSFC-Build%(40)
Level 8: Divine Avalanche -- HO:Nucle(A), HO:Lyso(23), LkGmblr-Rchg+(42), Dmg-I(43), Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg(43)
Level 10: Dull Pain -- Panac-Heal/EndRedux(A), Panac-EndRdx/Rchg(43), Panac-Heal/Rchg(45), Panac-Heal/EndRedux/Rchg(45), Panac-Heal(45)
Level 12: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 14: Super Jump -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(21), Zephyr-ResKB(23)
Level 16: Integration -- Numna-Heal/EndRdx(A), Numna-EndRdx/Rchg(17), Numna-Heal/Rchg(17), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(36), Numna-Heal(37), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(37)
Level 18: The Lotus Drops -- Erad-Dmg(A), Erad-Acc/Rchg(19), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(19), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(34), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34), Erad-%Dam(36)
Level 20: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), HO:Enzym(21)
Level 22: Boxing -- HO:Nucle(A)
Level 24: Tough -- GA-3defTpProc(A), GA-ResDam(25), GA-Res/Rech/End(25), GA-End/Res(42), GA-RechRes(42), GA-RechEnd(50)
Level 26: Soaring Dragon -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(27), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(27), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(29), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(31), T'Death-Dam%(31)
Level 28: Instant Healing -- Numna-Heal/Rchg(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(29), Panac-Heal/Rchg(39)
Level 30: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), HO:Enzym(31), SW-ResDam/Re TP(46)
Level 32: Golden Dragonfly -- Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg(A), Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg(33), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx(33), Armgdn-Dam%(34), FotG-ResDeb%(46)
Level 35: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(36)
Level 38: Moment of Glory -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(39)
Level 41: Dark Blast -- HO:Centri(A)
Level 44: Shadow Meld -- HO:Membr(A), LkGmblr-Rchg+(46)
Level 47: Summon Widow -- BldM'dt-Acc/Dmg(A), BldM'dt-Acc(48), BldM'dt-Dmg(48), BldM'dt-Dmg/EndRdx(48), BldM'dt-Acc/EndRdx(50), BldM'dt-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(50)
Level 49: Resilience -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A)
Level 0: Task Force Commander
Level 0: The Atlas Medallion
Level 0: Portal Jockey
Level 0: Freedom Phalanx Reserve
Level 50: Spiritual Core Paragon
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 1: Sprint -- ULeap-Stlth(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Mrcl-Rcvry+(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%(A)

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Originally Posted by Iggy_Kamakaze I hate to be the bringer of bad news... but Willpower sucks!!! you're better off rolling a regen

Thanks, much appreciated! While I don't have the $$ for any of those builds, it definitely gives me some ideas.

As far as incarnate powers beyond alpha (where spiritual seems to be the no-brainer) what is the consensus, if any?

Typically my choice would be Clockwork Lore, they're more offense than Seers and being ranged don't get themselves killed as quickly.

My ST target testing showed them to be:
Warworks 160 dps
IDF and Clockwork 126 dps
Seers 74 dps

Clockwork always stay at (short) range, and making them target through me (using keybinds) keeps their aggro low.

Warworks are pure damage, but you have to keep Vicky alive. I can do that with my veats, defenders, controllers, corruptors; but not so much with a scrapper.

IDF have stuns, or so I'm told. I've not tried to test or leverage the stuns, but again, the melee thing is an issue with keeping them alive.

Seers, for some gwad aweful reason, one of my seers always insists on closing to melee equivalent range to use one of the powers. They do have great control, even (at least helping) holding an AV once while PTOD was down. But as far as damage itself was concerned, it was pitiful, unless being matched against a Psy weak opponent or T9.

EDIT: All of the above were T3 Total Core . I should have mentioned that.

On my DM/SD scrapper I have both Clocks and Warworks and I have to say that I like both for different reasons.

I would say if you are playing a secondary with a taunt aura, more than likely you will be able to hold aggro and keep at least vicky alive, the ACU unit has died pretty easily from my experience with it. With the clocks you can pretty much summon them and they wont move from that spot until you move and will stay at range always, I have yet to see them run randomly into melee.

Thanks for this thread! My 1st 50 was a Kat/Regen, but he's been idle since before the Incarnate slots came out. I don't know if I can afford these builds, but this has definitely given me some direction for what I want to do with him.

Is the Widow that good from Soul Mastery to fully slot it?

the power? not really, but you can't pass up 7.5% defense for 6 slots, that's awesome.

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Originally Posted by Iggy_Kamakaze I hate to be the bringer of bad news... but Willpower sucks!!! you're better off rolling a regen

Ah, that makes sense!

In my latest, Hasten recharges in 117.69 seconds, so I suspect that Spiritual got toggled off if you're complaining about how far from permanent Hasten is. Spiritual adds at least 32.25% recharge to every power, so you could look at it as global recharge, meaning my build has 189.75% global recharge, slightly higher than yours since you're using Nerve.

So all that recharge you gutted defense for isn't actually any better than it already had, and Nerve isn't nearly making up for the shortfall on defense, plus you're missing out on the healing from Spiritual. Not having Tough hurts a little as well. Assuming I calculated correctly, that all seems to be reflected in the significantly lower numbers (edit: I had Combat Jumping toggled off, which put it enough below 59% defense to lower the number much more than it should have been at 64% to hit, and more than it should have at the other points.):

50% to hit = 2706
64% to hit = 1747
75% to hit = 1049
90% to hit = 679

50% to hit = 6013
64% to hit = 3615
75% to hit = 1934
90% to hit = 1182

Well, it's a build I'd play, but have decided against since I'm already playing something I consider at least as good or better. That's almost the same boat you're in here. And yeah, soloing the collection phase seems like the worst you face in practice, at least now that everyone knows you need to take out the adds in BAF before they get insane to hit.

On defense, what you may be missing is that the way we calculate survivability essentially seeks out weaknesses. Your weakness, if you aren't using Phase Shift for long periods, is when you cycle around to where Barrier is at 5% and both Moment of Glory and Shadow Meld are recharging. At that point you're just a low to moderate defense Regen - nothing horrible, but nothing great, and it drags the whole thing down. To a lesser extent, you have an issue with Shadow Meld and the +5% tail end of Barrier, which...

Oh, good grief, MY BAD. Somehow I'd gotten Combat Jumping toggled off. That had you shy of 59% defense when Shadow Meld was up and taking nearly twice as much damage as you'd actually take. So never mind about that. I'm in too much of a rush to go back and recalculate, but your numbers would be higher than I indicated. Sorry about that.

When the incarnate to hit was confirmed at 64%, it seemed like the majority were crying doom for the defense sets. I cried the opposite - the defense sets could easily (Super Reflexes) or not so easily (Shield Defense) get their defense to 59%. Super Reflexes and Shield Defense were going to be great against the incarnate content. It was the non-defensive sets that were going to suffer. This was my attempt to compensate for my Katana/Regen, though Katana is a bit of a cheat in terms of making any general point about the viability of the Regen secondary.

Also, I didn't anticipate just how many defense buffs were going to be flying around, making the 59% target a bit unnecessary, and making non-defense sets more viable than I expected.

For Super Reflexes, particularly without Aid Self, I'd probably build for 59% without Barrier, and then use Rebirth.

I know bringing this backup again

But if the new changes to Resilience go through... slapping 2 level 50 resists IO with the level 30 Steadfast +3 defense in it, (looking at the last build Werner posted here) take 2 slots from IH and leave it with Numina heal/rech, heal/end/rech and DW heal/rech.
Resists numbers are as follows...
s/l at 35.4%
f/c at 22.7%
e/n at 17.7%
psi at 20.7%

Wonder how that would score on that spreadsheet
And of course it's gonna be sitting at 55%+ regen debuff res

Finally, someone linked it to me:

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Originally Posted by Aquabladez [Scrapper's Strike: Recharge/Critical Hit Bonus.50]

The way it was explained to me was that it's adding 20% of the current crit chance (so, say, 20% of 5% means you instead get 6% vs minions, which kinda sucks), but it should still be slightly more useful in those other, higher crit chance, powers.

maybe it's not really that bad, I don't honestly know . I *do* know, however that I will require those extra 3 enhancement slots to be able to cram this thing into my build while still giving FH and resilience some love, too.

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Originally Posted by Iggy_Kamakaze I hate to be the bringer of bad news... but Willpower sucks!!! you're better off rolling a regen